Exactly what high crime or misdemeanor did President Trump commit?

[jc456]

I suggest you familiarize yourself with Part II of Mueller's investigation report, which details 11 instances of Obstructive behaviour.

Some highlights of what our POTUS has been up to:


1. Pressured FBI Director (Comey) to squash investigation into Trump's top foreign policy advisor (Flynn). Trump subsequently fired that FBI Director under false pretenses over the Russian interference investigation. The firing triggered assignment of Special Investigator and Flynn eventually pled guilty.

2. He pressured AG (Sessions) to unrecuse from Russia investigation, publicly declare it unfair, and to limit it's scope to only FUTURE election interference.

3. He ordered White House Council (McGhan) to procced with removal of Special Investigator (Mueller), when McGhan refused the order and started packing his stuff, Trump backed off, but ordered McGhan to enter false record of Trump never having ordered removal of Mueller.

4. Trump was tampering with witnesses by pardon dangling Flynn, Manafort and Cohen

Here are the 11 instances of potential obstruction of justice by Trump outlined in the Mueller report

It's true that Trump failed to stop Flynn's investigation and to remove Mueller - but that is irrelevant, the only reason it didn't happen was due to the REFUSAL of his corrupt orders by his subordinates.

So where did he obstruct justice? He didn't fire anybody and he didn't interfere with the bogus investigation.

BTW, Comey is going to prison. Along with James Clapper, John Brennan, and Loretta Lynch.

...did you read what you quoted? Trump fired FBI director Comey under false pretense (screwing Hillary) over the Russia investigation.

And no silly, Comey is not indicted, let alone convicted and prison bound.

he had every right to fire Comey. no matter what you say! you all wanted him gone cause of his stunt before the election, so don't go there you dimwit.

 

[iceberg]

define obstruction then in a manner which releases hillary from what she did and condemns trump.

Seriously?

Trump tried to influence an offcer of the law to end an investigation.
Clinton did not.

Trump fired FBI director under false pretenses, because he was conducting investigation.
Clinton did not.

Trump repeatedly tried to fire Special Investigator and narrow the scope of investigation, failing only because his subordinates refused his orders.
Clinton did not.

Trump was dangling pardons to influence witnesses.
Clinton did not.

Clinton erasing emails (or ordering it) after subpoena WOULD BE Obstruction. But there was simply no evidence she did that. Her office ordered emails in question to be erased 3 months BEFORE subpoena and this was confirmed by FBI.

seriously?

this is all micro-sliced bullshit to me. i can list the same hillary did and all you'll do that i can see at this point is say TRUMP ONLY and dismiss her w/o going into details.

i'll just say this and see how you deny it and go from there:

Hillary Clinton’s Email: the Definitive Timeline | Sharyl Attkisson

2014
May 5: Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., is named head of the House Benghazi Committee to investigate the 2012 terrorist attacks.

May 8: House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, formally announces formation of House Benghazi Committee.

June 13: Judicial Watch files a FOI request with State Dept. seeking Benghazi information and Clinton notes.

August: State Dept. provides House Benghazi Committee with eight emails to or from Clinton that, for the first time, show her use of a private email account.

Sept. 4: Judicial Watch sues State Dept. for failure to respond to a June 13, 2014 FOI request seeking Benghazi records and Clinton notes.

Sept. 17: House Benghazi Committee holds its first public hearing. Topic: implementation of ARB recommendations.

October: State Dept. sends letters to Clinton and her three predecessors as secretary of state seeking work emails related to personal accounts.

Nov. 18: House Benghazi Committee makes additional request for Clinton emails from State Dept.

Nov. 26: President Obama signs into law an updated Federal Records Act requiring public officials to forward all work-related email to their government address.

December: House Benghazi Committee sends request to the White House for documents and communications pertaining to Benghazi.

Dec. 5: Clinton privately turns over copies of 30,490 “work-related” emails to the State Dept. totaling 55,000 printed pages. No date has been provided as to when she deleted her “private” emails, but it is presumed to be around this time frame.

Dec. 10: House Benghazi Committee holds second public hearing. Topic: implementation of ARB recommendations.

==========
and after the initial request was made, her IT company was poking around looking for how to change header information in e-mails. when they realized that can't be done, the deletions started.

given what you're after trump for above, it would stand to reason you'd never allow trump to do what hillary did.

yet, here we are.

now:
https://archives-benghazi-republicans-oversight.house.gov/sites/republicans.benghazi.house.gov/files/Kendall.Clinton Subpoena - 2015.03.04.pdf

there's the official request to ask for what she has already deleted in anticipation of such a move. now you tell me again - how long are gov e-mails supposed to be kept? yet she also implemented a 60 day retention policy that would nuke all evidence. a retention policy like this won't care what the mail is, only delete it after 60 days.

funny - this is enough time for her to make all her moves to clean up you dismiss. but if trump did all these - they would be high crimes.

and i would agree. if trump ever deleted official mail he knew he was supposed to keep, enough suspicion from me to follow up and find out why.

You seem to not apreciate the the legal entitity difference between State Department and Clinton.

Clinton is not legally responsible for what was demanded from DoS.

Clinton IS reponsible for what she personally was subpoenaed for and what FBI concluded was that there was no evidence that she detroyed records in defiance of the subpoena. Now, you may say that 60 day retention policy was designed with intention to get rid of potentially damaging records, but thats not illegal.

you seem to understand i'm not playing this "hide me here" games.

she was dead wrong to delete work related e-mail. until you can prove ONLY personal mail was deleted (of which her new retention policy wouldn't be able to differentiate) then she is under the same level of suspicion that you put trump under. your fight to keep her "clean" really tells me you care less about the truth and more about attacking the right.

at least that is how it is coming across.

11 Rules for Using Government Email | GovLoop

she broke a lot of those rules, did she not? her 60 day policy is also a direct slap against the 90 days to a year for most mail going through her server. if she chose to use this for her business then fine - play by the same rules as if it *WERE* a government account.

so her own 60 day policy is a violation.

next?

You don't know wtf you are saying - Hillary was no longer employed by the government as of 2013, while 60 day retention policy change request was made in Dec 2014.

Also, the burden of proof is on the investigatigators, not the target. You say Clinton erased work emails in defiance of the sabpoenas? Well you can assert whatever you want to but FBI did not find evidence that this was the case.

As an examaple from my side, Special Investigator concluded that there is no sufficient evidence of Criminal Conspiracy with Russians by the Trump campaign and I accept his findings. So you claiming that I selectively belive the findings of the authorities and have a double standard is just bullshit.

great. they found nothing on trump either.

gonna let that go?

 

[AntonToo]

Seriously?

Trump tried to influence an offcer of the law to end an investigation.
Clinton did not.

Trump fired FBI director under false pretenses, because he was conducting investigation.
Clinton did not.

Trump repeatedly tried to fire Special Investigator and narrow the scope of investigation, failing only because his subordinates refused his orders.
Clinton did not.

Trump was dangling pardons to influence witnesses.
Clinton did not.

Clinton erasing emails (or ordering it) after subpoena WOULD BE Obstruction. But there was simply no evidence she did that. Her office ordered emails in question to be erased 3 months BEFORE subpoena and this was confirmed by FBI.

seriously?

this is all micro-sliced bullshit to me. i can list the same hillary did and all you'll do that i can see at this point is say TRUMP ONLY and dismiss her w/o going into details.

i'll just say this and see how you deny it and go from there:

Hillary Clinton’s Email: the Definitive Timeline | Sharyl Attkisson

2014
May 5: Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., is named head of the House Benghazi Committee to investigate the 2012 terrorist attacks.

May 8: House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, formally announces formation of House Benghazi Committee.

June 13: Judicial Watch files a FOI request with State Dept. seeking Benghazi information and Clinton notes.

August: State Dept. provides House Benghazi Committee with eight emails to or from Clinton that, for the first time, show her use of a private email account.

Sept. 4: Judicial Watch sues State Dept. for failure to respond to a June 13, 2014 FOI request seeking Benghazi records and Clinton notes.

Sept. 17: House Benghazi Committee holds its first public hearing. Topic: implementation of ARB recommendations.

October: State Dept. sends letters to Clinton and her three predecessors as secretary of state seeking work emails related to personal accounts.

Nov. 18: House Benghazi Committee makes additional request for Clinton emails from State Dept.

Nov. 26: President Obama signs into law an updated Federal Records Act requiring public officials to forward all work-related email to their government address.

December: House Benghazi Committee sends request to the White House for documents and communications pertaining to Benghazi.

Dec. 5: Clinton privately turns over copies of 30,490 “work-related” emails to the State Dept. totaling 55,000 printed pages. No date has been provided as to when she deleted her “private” emails, but it is presumed to be around this time frame.

Dec. 10: House Benghazi Committee holds second public hearing. Topic: implementation of ARB recommendations.

==========
and after the initial request was made, her IT company was poking around looking for how to change header information in e-mails. when they realized that can't be done, the deletions started.

given what you're after trump for above, it would stand to reason you'd never allow trump to do what hillary did.

yet, here we are.

now:
https://archives-benghazi-republicans-oversight.house.gov/sites/republicans.benghazi.house.gov/files/Kendall.Clinton Subpoena - 2015.03.04.pdf

there's the official request to ask for what she has already deleted in anticipation of such a move. now you tell me again - how long are gov e-mails supposed to be kept? yet she also implemented a 60 day retention policy that would nuke all evidence. a retention policy like this won't care what the mail is, only delete it after 60 days.

funny - this is enough time for her to make all her moves to clean up you dismiss. but if trump did all these - they would be high crimes.

and i would agree. if trump ever deleted official mail he knew he was supposed to keep, enough suspicion from me to follow up and find out why.

You seem to not apreciate the the legal entitity difference between State Department and Clinton.

Clinton is not legally responsible for what was demanded from DoS.

Clinton IS reponsible for what she personally was subpoenaed for and what FBI concluded was that there was no evidence that she detroyed records in defiance of the subpoena. Now, you may say that 60 day retention policy was designed with intention to get rid of potentially damaging records, but thats not illegal.

you seem to understand i'm not playing this "hide me here" games.

she was dead wrong to delete work related e-mail. until you can prove ONLY personal mail was deleted (of which her new retention policy wouldn't be able to differentiate) then she is under the same level of suspicion that you put trump under. your fight to keep her "clean" really tells me you care less about the truth and more about attacking the right.

at least that is how it is coming across.

11 Rules for Using Government Email | GovLoop

she broke a lot of those rules, did she not? her 60 day policy is also a direct slap against the 90 days to a year for most mail going through her server. if she chose to use this for her business then fine - play by the same rules as if it *WERE* a government account.

so her own 60 day policy is a violation.

next?

You don't know wtf you are saying - Hillary was no longer employed by the government as of 2013, while 60 day retention policy change request was made in Dec 2014.

Also, the burden of proof is on the investigatigators, not the target. You say Clinton erased work emails in defiance of the sabpoenas? Well you can assert whatever you want to but FBI did not find evidence that this was the case.

As an examaple from my side, Special Investigator concluded that there is no sufficient evidence of Criminal Conspiracy with Russians by the Trump campaign and I accept his findings. So you claiming that I selectively belive the findings of the authorities and have a double standard is just bullshit.

great. they found nothing on trump either.

gonna let that go?

Thats just not true. Trump got cleared on Criminal Conspiracy, but he very specifically WAS NOT cleared on Obstruction.

Special Investigator stated that according to DOJ policy a sitting President could not be indicted or accused without being able to defend himself in court. Special Investigator's report laid out the facts of possible Obstruction episodes and left it to Congress to descide on formally charging the President.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Trump Obstructed justice by insisting he was innocent.

 

[iceberg]

seriously?

this is all micro-sliced bullshit to me. i can list the same hillary did and all you'll do that i can see at this point is say TRUMP ONLY and dismiss her w/o going into details.

i'll just say this and see how you deny it and go from there:

Hillary Clinton’s Email: the Definitive Timeline | Sharyl Attkisson

2014
May 5: Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-S.C., is named head of the House Benghazi Committee to investigate the 2012 terrorist attacks.

May 8: House Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, formally announces formation of House Benghazi Committee.

June 13: Judicial Watch files a FOI request with State Dept. seeking Benghazi information and Clinton notes.

August: State Dept. provides House Benghazi Committee with eight emails to or from Clinton that, for the first time, show her use of a private email account.

Sept. 4: Judicial Watch sues State Dept. for failure to respond to a June 13, 2014 FOI request seeking Benghazi records and Clinton notes.

Sept. 17: House Benghazi Committee holds its first public hearing. Topic: implementation of ARB recommendations.

October: State Dept. sends letters to Clinton and her three predecessors as secretary of state seeking work emails related to personal accounts.

Nov. 18: House Benghazi Committee makes additional request for Clinton emails from State Dept.

Nov. 26: President Obama signs into law an updated Federal Records Act requiring public officials to forward all work-related email to their government address.

December: House Benghazi Committee sends request to the White House for documents and communications pertaining to Benghazi.

Dec. 5: Clinton privately turns over copies of 30,490 “work-related” emails to the State Dept. totaling 55,000 printed pages. No date has been provided as to when she deleted her “private” emails, but it is presumed to be around this time frame.

Dec. 10: House Benghazi Committee holds second public hearing. Topic: implementation of ARB recommendations.

==========
and after the initial request was made, her IT company was poking around looking for how to change header information in e-mails. when they realized that can't be done, the deletions started.

given what you're after trump for above, it would stand to reason you'd never allow trump to do what hillary did.

yet, here we are.

now:
https://archives-benghazi-republicans-oversight.house.gov/sites/republicans.benghazi.house.gov/files/Kendall.Clinton Subpoena - 2015.03.04.pdf

there's the official request to ask for what she has already deleted in anticipation of such a move. now you tell me again - how long are gov e-mails supposed to be kept? yet she also implemented a 60 day retention policy that would nuke all evidence. a retention policy like this won't care what the mail is, only delete it after 60 days.

funny - this is enough time for her to make all her moves to clean up you dismiss. but if trump did all these - they would be high crimes.

and i would agree. if trump ever deleted official mail he knew he was supposed to keep, enough suspicion from me to follow up and find out why.

You seem to not apreciate the the legal entitity difference between State Department and Clinton.

Clinton is not legally responsible for what was demanded from DoS.

Clinton IS reponsible for what she personally was subpoenaed for and what FBI concluded was that there was no evidence that she detroyed records in defiance of the subpoena. Now, you may say that 60 day retention policy was designed with intention to get rid of potentially damaging records, but thats not illegal.

you seem to understand i'm not playing this "hide me here" games.

she was dead wrong to delete work related e-mail. until you can prove ONLY personal mail was deleted (of which her new retention policy wouldn't be able to differentiate) then she is under the same level of suspicion that you put trump under. your fight to keep her "clean" really tells me you care less about the truth and more about attacking the right.

at least that is how it is coming across.

11 Rules for Using Government Email | GovLoop

she broke a lot of those rules, did she not? her 60 day policy is also a direct slap against the 90 days to a year for most mail going through her server. if she chose to use this for her business then fine - play by the same rules as if it *WERE* a government account.

so her own 60 day policy is a violation.

next?

You don't know wtf you are saying - Hillary was no longer employed by the government as of 2013, while 60 day retention policy change request was made in Dec 2014.

Also, the burden of proof is on the investigatigators, not the target. You say Clinton erased work emails in defiance of the sabpoenas? Well you can assert whatever you want to but FBI did not find evidence that this was the case.

As an examaple from my side, Special Investigator concluded that there is no sufficient evidence of Criminal Conspiracy with Russians by the Trump campaign and I accept his findings. So you claiming that I selectively belive the findings of the authorities and have a double standard is just bullshit.

great. they found nothing on trump either.

gonna let that go?

Thats just not true. Trump got cleared on Criminal Conspiracy, but he very specifically WAS NOT cleared on Obstruction.

Special Investigator stated that according to DOJ policy a sitting President could not be indicted or accused without being able to defend himself in court. Special Investigator's report laid out the facts of possible Obstruction episodes and left it to Congress to descide on formally charging the President.

so you're going after "obstruction" on a "charge" that was found to be 100% w/o merit.

you're holding onto anything at all you can to be "right" about trump. and you've yet to answer my question -

if trump does what hillary did, are you ok with it? ie - a senate committee tells trump they need records from x to y points. he deletes a bulk of the data and turns over paper copies.

are you aware that paper copies she turned in won't have the header info - correct? again she's hiding this. obstructing if you will.

THIS is why we do whataboutism's - cause you excuse worse actions for "your" side and go after OBSTRUCTION which could just as easily be interpreted as "i'm tired of all this bullshit" - but you're only allowing yourself to see it YOUR way.

ergo - the crux of 99% of our issues today. we must have it OUR way or life is wrong.

 

[Dr Grump]

I didn't vote for Trump in the primary, but I like what he's accomplished so far despite commie interference. It's hard to imagine what could have been accomplished had the lies not derailed his administration. People need to go to jail behind the collusion delusion.

.

What has he accomplished exactly?

 

[OKTexas]

I didn't vote for Trump in the primary, but I like what he's accomplished so far despite commie interference. It's hard to imagine what could have been accomplished had the lies not derailed his administration. People need to go to jail behind the collusion delusion.

.

What has he accomplished exactly?

Regulatory reform
Tax Cuts
Wall going up
Bringing back manufacturing to the US
ISIS caliphate destroyed
Getting politicians and lawyers out of routine battlefield decisions
Getting Mexico to assist in border security
Totally pissing off you commies

I could go on, but you're not worth the effort.

.

 

[AntonToo]

You seem to not apreciate the the legal entitity difference between State Department and Clinton.

Clinton is not legally responsible for what was demanded from DoS.

Clinton IS reponsible for what she personally was subpoenaed for and what FBI concluded was that there was no evidence that she detroyed records in defiance of the subpoena. Now, you may say that 60 day retention policy was designed with intention to get rid of potentially damaging records, but thats not illegal.

you seem to understand i'm not playing this "hide me here" games.

she was dead wrong to delete work related e-mail. until you can prove ONLY personal mail was deleted (of which her new retention policy wouldn't be able to differentiate) then she is under the same level of suspicion that you put trump under. your fight to keep her "clean" really tells me you care less about the truth and more about attacking the right.

at least that is how it is coming across.

11 Rules for Using Government Email | GovLoop

she broke a lot of those rules, did she not? her 60 day policy is also a direct slap against the 90 days to a year for most mail going through her server. if she chose to use this for her business then fine - play by the same rules as if it *WERE* a government account.

so her own 60 day policy is a violation.

next?

You don't know wtf you are saying - Hillary was no longer employed by the government as of 2013, while 60 day retention policy change request was made in Dec 2014.

Also, the burden of proof is on the investigatigators, not the target. You say Clinton erased work emails in defiance of the sabpoenas? Well you can assert whatever you want to but FBI did not find evidence that this was the case.

As an examaple from my side, Special Investigator concluded that there is no sufficient evidence of Criminal Conspiracy with Russians by the Trump campaign and I accept his findings. So you claiming that I selectively belive the findings of the authorities and have a double standard is just bullshit.

great. they found nothing on trump either.

gonna let that go?

Thats just not true. Trump got cleared on Criminal Conspiracy, but he very specifically WAS NOT cleared on Obstruction.

Special Investigator stated that according to DOJ policy a sitting President could not be indicted or accused without being able to defend himself in court. Special Investigator's report laid out the facts of possible Obstruction episodes and left it to Congress to descide on formally charging the President.

so you're going after "obstruction" on a "charge" that was found to be 100% w/o merit.

you're holding onto anything at all you can to be "right" about trump. and you've yet to answer my question -

if trump does what hillary did, are you ok with it? ie - a senate committee tells trump they need records from x to y points. he deletes a bulk of the data and turns over paper copies.

are you aware that paper copies she turned in won't have the header info - correct? again she's hiding this. obstructing if you will.

THIS is why we do whataboutism's - cause you excuse worse actions for "your" side and go after OBSTRUCTION which could just as easily be interpreted as "i'm tired of all this bullshit" - but you're only allowing yourself to see it YOUR way.

ergo - the crux of 99% of our issues today. we must have it OUR way or life is wrong.

“Found 100% without merit?” “Could be interpreted as I’m tired this bullshit”?”

Son, you need to quit smoking crack and spreading swamp bullshit. What Trump was doing is completely unacceptable, unethical and illegal. If there are no consequences then a lifetime of law-ignoring swamp in the high office will be our reward.

 

[jc456]

I didn't vote for Trump in the primary, but I like what he's accomplished so far despite commie interference. It's hard to imagine what could have been accomplished had the lies not derailed his administration. People need to go to jail behind the collusion delusion.

.

What has he accomplished exactly?

really? you are really asking that question? hly fk.

 

[jc456]

I didn't vote for Trump in the primary, but I like what he's accomplished so far despite commie interference. It's hard to imagine what could have been accomplished had the lies not derailed his administration. People need to go to jail behind the collusion delusion.

.

What has he accomplished exactly?

Regulatory reform
Tax Cuts
Wall going up
Bringing back manufacturing to the US
ISIS caliphate destroyed
Getting politicians and lawyers out of routine battlefield decisions
Getting Mexico to assist in border security
Totally pissing off you commies

I could go on, but you're not worth the effort.

.

they wish to stay ignorant. those ignoramuses.

 

[iceberg]

you seem to understand i'm not playing this "hide me here" games.

she was dead wrong to delete work related e-mail. until you can prove ONLY personal mail was deleted (of which her new retention policy wouldn't be able to differentiate) then she is under the same level of suspicion that you put trump under. your fight to keep her "clean" really tells me you care less about the truth and more about attacking the right.

at least that is how it is coming across.

11 Rules for Using Government Email | GovLoop

she broke a lot of those rules, did she not? her 60 day policy is also a direct slap against the 90 days to a year for most mail going through her server. if she chose to use this for her business then fine - play by the same rules as if it *WERE* a government account.

so her own 60 day policy is a violation.

next?

You don't know wtf you are saying - Hillary was no longer employed by the government as of 2013, while 60 day retention policy change request was made in Dec 2014.

Also, the burden of proof is on the investigatigators, not the target. You say Clinton erased work emails in defiance of the sabpoenas? Well you can assert whatever you want to but FBI did not find evidence that this was the case.

As an examaple from my side, Special Investigator concluded that there is no sufficient evidence of Criminal Conspiracy with Russians by the Trump campaign and I accept his findings. So you claiming that I selectively belive the findings of the authorities and have a double standard is just bullshit.

great. they found nothing on trump either.

gonna let that go?

Thats just not true. Trump got cleared on Criminal Conspiracy, but he very specifically WAS NOT cleared on Obstruction.

Special Investigator stated that according to DOJ policy a sitting President could not be indicted or accused without being able to defend himself in court. Special Investigator's report laid out the facts of possible Obstruction episodes and left it to Congress to descide on formally charging the President.

so you're going after "obstruction" on a "charge" that was found to be 100% w/o merit.

you're holding onto anything at all you can to be "right" about trump. and you've yet to answer my question -

if trump does what hillary did, are you ok with it? ie - a senate committee tells trump they need records from x to y points. he deletes a bulk of the data and turns over paper copies.

are you aware that paper copies she turned in won't have the header info - correct? again she's hiding this. obstructing if you will.

THIS is why we do whataboutism's - cause you excuse worse actions for "your" side and go after OBSTRUCTION which could just as easily be interpreted as "i'm tired of all this bullshit" - but you're only allowing yourself to see it YOUR way.

ergo - the crux of 99% of our issues today. we must have it OUR way or life is wrong.

“Found 100% without merit?” “Could be interpreted as I’m tired this bullshit”?”

Son, you need to quit smoking crack and spreading swamp bullshit. What Trump was doing is completely unacceptable, unethical and illegal. If there are no consequences then a lifetime of law-ignoring swamp in the high office will be our reward.

great. you tell me what he's done that is worse than deleting data required by law to be kept AFTER being asked specifically for said info.

you need to just answer the ******* question but you can't. you dance like someone shoved a roll of quarters up your ass and said GO.

 

[Diver Diva]

You will never convince TDS victims that our President is innocent.

Can't wait to watch their heads explode when the handcuffs come out for Comey, Brennan, Clapper, Lynch, Strzok, Page, Yates, Power, Rice, and Hillary.

 

[iceberg]

You will never convince TDS victims that our President is innocent.

Can't wait to watch their heads explode when the handcuffs come out for Comey, Brennan, Clapper, Lynch, Strzok, Page, Yates, Power, Rice, and Hillary.

you will never pin them to specifics either or bitching at things he has a legal right to do.

if/when trump breaks the law, i'm down for going after him for. "OBSTRUCTION" is a consolation price when RUSSIA fell through so they forget RUSSIA and go for the next turd flung on the wall.

meanwhile we know damn good and well if trump deleted 33k mails, they'd demand his ass 24x7.

 

[Diver Diva]

 

[AntonToo]

You don't know wtf you are saying - Hillary was no longer employed by the government as of 2013, while 60 day retention policy change request was made in Dec 2014.

Also, the burden of proof is on the investigatigators, not the target. You say Clinton erased work emails in defiance of the sabpoenas? Well you can assert whatever you want to but FBI did not find evidence that this was the case.

As an examaple from my side, Special Investigator concluded that there is no sufficient evidence of Criminal Conspiracy with Russians by the Trump campaign and I accept his findings. So you claiming that I selectively belive the findings of the authorities and have a double standard is just bullshit.

great. they found nothing on trump either.

gonna let that go?

Thats just not true. Trump got cleared on Criminal Conspiracy, but he very specifically WAS NOT cleared on Obstruction.

Special Investigator stated that according to DOJ policy a sitting President could not be indicted or accused without being able to defend himself in court. Special Investigator's report laid out the facts of possible Obstruction episodes and left it to Congress to descide on formally charging the President.

so you're going after "obstruction" on a "charge" that was found to be 100% w/o merit.

you're holding onto anything at all you can to be "right" about trump. and you've yet to answer my question -

if trump does what hillary did, are you ok with it? ie - a senate committee tells trump they need records from x to y points. he deletes a bulk of the data and turns over paper copies.

are you aware that paper copies she turned in won't have the header info - correct? again she's hiding this. obstructing if you will.

THIS is why we do whataboutism's - cause you excuse worse actions for "your" side and go after OBSTRUCTION which could just as easily be interpreted as "i'm tired of all this bullshit" - but you're only allowing yourself to see it YOUR way.

ergo - the crux of 99% of our issues today. we must have it OUR way or life is wrong.

“Found 100% without merit?” “Could be interpreted as I’m tired this bullshit”?”

Son, you need to quit smoking crack and spreading swamp bullshit. What Trump was doing is completely unacceptable, unethical and illegal. If there are no consequences then a lifetime of law-ignoring swamp in the high office will be our reward.

great. you tell me what he's done that is worse than deleting data required by law

Trump corruptly fired and attempted to fire investigators who would not comply with his crooked orders. That is worse than just evidence tampering, much worse.

But in other instances Obstruction of Justice what he did is not worse than murder or erasing "data required by law"...which as FBI investigation concluded CLINTON DID NOT DO, so you can stop reapeating that horseshit.

And EVEN ASIDE FROM ALL THAT - you want to say Clinton AND Trump are giulty of commiting crimes? OOK, how the **** does that translate into an argument that we should NOT hold Trump accountable?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

They’re the DOJ!

So? Did you miss civics class when you dropped out?

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So you really believe that the reason Mueller didn't try to compel Our President to testify was because it would take too long?

Correct.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

he had every right to fire Comey. no matter what you say!

That doesn't make it not part of a crime. Duh.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

if/when trump breaks the law, i'm down for going after him fo

Really? So you support the investigations in Congress. Whoah, i gotta say, that's a rare sentiment from a trumpster.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

they found nothing on trump either.

Well, except for criminal obstruction, felony campaign finance law violation, and witness tampering. We'll chalk up your post to a "+/- 3 crime margin of error".