Evolution Starts with Lucy

So? Still cannot prove a chimp became a human being. Can’t prove what became a tree. Certainly can’t prove algae
Became man.

We have evidence ... only a fool says we have proof ... that's not how science works ...

You're information is mostly wrong ... humans and chimps are thought to have had a common ancestor, a form more primitive than either ... yeah, highlighting the weasel words for you ... Lucy is well along the human line, in that she walked upright, but had a small chimp-sized brain case ... thus the theory that we stood up, and then got smart ...

... at least some of us got smart ... sheesh ...
 
We have evidence ... only a fool says we have proof ... that's not how science works ...

You're information is mostly wrong ... humans and chimps are thought to have had a common ancestor, a form more primitive than either ... yeah, highlighting the weasel words for you ... Lucy is well along the human line, in that she walked upright, but had a small chimp-sized brain case ... thus the theory that we stood up, and then got smart ...

... at least some of us got smart ... sheesh ...
You have no evidence that proves anything. I have evidence you are a wrong. There’s no way she walked upright and we have the proof. Her brain wasn’t any larger than a chimps brain.
 
You have no evidence that proves anything. I have evidence you are a wrong. There’s no way she walked upright and we have the proof. Her brain wasn’t any larger than a chimps brain.

Let's see your proof ... let's see your evidence ...
 
Let’s see your proof…Yours is harder to prove than mine 🤣

I said evidence ... only a fool claims proof ... this is science ...

You have no evidence that proves anything. I have evidence you are a wrong. There’s no way she walked upright and we have the proof. Her brain wasn’t any larger than a chimps brain.

Let's see your proof ... let's see your evidence ...
 
Her brain wasn’t any larger than a chimps brain.
I already explained that one. You weren't paying attention. Brain size is determined by Sox genes during development.

Brain size is a competition between the number of neurons and the boundary defined by the skull, including the meninges let's say (vasculature, protective layer, etc).

That's why the brain "folds", it tries to fit lots of neurons into a small space. The SOX-11 gene is responsible for neural growth and differentiation. If you remove it, you actually get a smaller brain. With fewer folds.

There's a reservoir of pluripotent neural stem cells just below the ventricles in the brain. There are other Sox gene family members responsible for maintaining it, like Sox-2, Sox-4 and Sox-9.

In the cerebral cortex near the hippocampus the neurons get replaced every few weeks. That too is under the control and guidance of the Sox genes.

On the flip side of that we have another population of genes that determines skull size. Which is body plan. We already talked about that. Pay attention this time, and go back and read the earlier discussion.

In another one of these dumbass anti-evolution threads I already posted lots of images of what mutated Hox and Sox genes look like. Do you need to see them again?

We know how these genes work now. They make proteins, which in turn go back and sit in the DNA. You can read all the scientific details right here:


It shows you what the protein looks like and how it sits in the DNA. More importantly it shows you the mechanism, which is "DNA bending".

Figure 2 is particularly enlightening, it shows you some of the ways the various Sox proteins operate.

None of this is mysterious, and we already know a lot about the dynamics. Brain size can be changed by a single mutation in a Sox gene. If you change brain size and skull size at the same time, you can get a bigger head and a bigger brain with more folds.

Of COURSE the brain grows in humans. You didn't know about that before you discovered Lucy? In humans multiple Sox genes have longer time constants, so you get more bone growth in the skull and more neurons in the brain.

In this context fossils are uninteresting, they're just snapshots of history. We want to control where along the spectrum an organism ends up. We can already do this in frogs, we can make their heads grow bigger relative to their bodies by manipulating Hox and Sox genes.

In 5 years we'll have this all figured out.
 
I said evidence ... only a fool claims proof ... this is science ...



Let's see your proof ... let's see your evidence ...
Do not tempt the Lord thy God. You cannot order him to do anything. He has manifested himself to me and I know perfectly. You have a guessing game called science. And science has not nor cannot prove a thing.
 
I already explained that one. You weren't paying attention. Brain size is determined by Sox genes during development.

Brain size is a competition between the number of neurons and the boundary defined by the skull, including the meninges let's say (vasculature, protective layer, etc).

That's why the brain "folds", it tries to fit lots of neurons into a small space. The SOX-11 gene is responsible for neural growth and differentiation. If you remove it, you actually get a smaller brain. With fewer folds.

There's a reservoir of pluripotent neural stem cells just below the ventricles in the brain. There are other Sox gene family members responsible for maintaining it, like Sox-2, Sox-4 and Sox-9.

In the cerebral cortex near the hippocampus the neurons get replaced every few weeks. That too is under the control and guidance of the Sox genes.

On the flip side of that we have another population of genes that determines skull size. Which is body plan. We already talked about that. Pay attention this time, and go back and read the earlier discussion.

In another one of these dumbass anti-evolution threads I already posted lots of images of what mutated Hox and Sox genes look like. Do you need to see them again?

We know how these genes work now. They make proteins, which in turn go back and sit in the DNA. You can read all the scientific details right here:


It shows you what the protein looks like and how it sits in the DNA. More importantly it shows you the mechanism, which is "DNA bending".

Figure 2 is particularly enlightening, it shows you some of the ways the various Sox proteins operate.

None of this is mysterious, and we already know a lot about the dynamics. Brain size can be changed by a single mutation in a Sox gene. If you change brain size and skull size at the same time, you can get a bigger head and a bigger brain with more folds.

Of COURSE the brain grows in humans. You didn't know about that before you discovered Lucy? In humans multiple Sox genes have longer time constants, so you get more bone growth in the skull and more neurons in the brain.

In this context fossils are uninteresting, they're just snapshots of history. We want to control where along the spectrum an organism ends up. We can already do this in frogs, we can make their heads grow bigger relative to their bodies by manipulating Hox and Sox genes.

In 5 years we'll have this all figured out.
So, to put it a more simpler way, Lucy’s brain is much bigger than your own.
 
Do not tempt the Lord thy God. You cannot order him to do anything. He has manifested himself to me and I know perfectly. You have a guessing game called science. And science has not nor cannot prove a thing.

The losers' way out ... claiming to be God ...

"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour." -- Exodus 20:16

"You have no evidence that proves anything. I have evidence you are a wrong. There’s no way she walked upright and we have the proof. Her brain wasn’t any larger than a chimps brain." -- You

It's a mortal sin to lie ... is this how you represent God to the masses, by lying ... c'mon now ... don't be the liar here ... let's see your evidence, let's see you proof ...

You called upon Our Lord God to support your lies ??? ... is your God named Satan by any chance? ...
 
So, to put it a more simpler way, Lucy’s brain is much bigger than your own.

Thank you for the ad hominem argument ... here you admit Scruff's claims are unassailable and you have only his person to attack ...

Very Christian of you ...
 
You were done 3 million years ago. Lucy has been debunked decades ago.
Debunk this:

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The losers' way out ... claiming to be God ...

"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour." -- Exodus 20:16

"You have no evidence that proves anything. I have evidence you are a wrong. There’s no way she walked upright and we have the proof. Her brain wasn’t any larger than a chimps brain." -- You

It's a mortal sin to lie ... is this how you represent God to the masses, by lying ... c'mon now ... don't be the liar here ... let's see your evidence, let's see you proof ...

You called upon Our Lord God to support your lies ??? ... is your God named Satan by any chance? ...
 

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Lame ... you've lied and desecrated the name of Jesus Christ our Savior ... your only answer is an internet meme ...

Chasing people away from God is a sin ... looks like you know less about Christian doctrine than you do about biology ...
 
Lame ... you've lied and desecrated the name of Jesus Christ our Savior ... your only answer is an internet meme ...

Chasing people away from God is a sin ... looks like you know less about Christian doctrine than you do about biology ...
Read it and weep…
 

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Read it and weep…

It doesn't change your lying tongue ... a disgrace to all Christ stood for ... put more nails in His hands and feet ... keep crucifying Him for all eternity ...

I understand ... you get your butt handed to you on a silver platter over in the Religion forum ... you have to come here in the Science form to spit Satan's poison ...

If you lie you Shirley die ...
 

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