Evolution Starts with Lucy

[Cougarbear]

See?

You speak for God?

You think you know how God operates?

That's plain old human arrogance. There's nothing spiritual about it.

God has told us much of what he thinks. He has given his gospel in the Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price. He has Prophets and apostles in our days too. Oh yes! He has given some of us the Gift of the Holy Ghost to know his thoughts. So, we know exactly how he operates. That's not arrogance. That's having the truth of the Gospel.

 

[Cougarbear]

Then why are you arguing evolution of the flesh? ... especially with make-up mumbo-jumbo that the Bible never says ...

You are making this up ... you're war-like demeanor says you know you're lying ...

It's you making things up. I have the Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price to know the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. What do you have? Charles Darwin

 

[Cougarbear]

Dude, that would assume that God created galaxies billions of light years away, but only created the earth 6000 years ago.

That makes us seem... just not that important.

That's again because of your lack of knowledge about this topic. You only have scientists. I have prophets and apostles of God who know the everlasting God and the Prince of Peace. We are very important to the Father because we are his (and mother in heaven's) literal spirit children. We are very important to Jesus Christ because he is our eldest brother, our redeemer and savior. If he wanted to move up the light rays from all the other galaxies, he certainly could and did do that.

 

[ReinyDays]

It's you making things up. I have the Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price to know the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. What do you have? Charles Darwin

I've accepted Christ into my heart ... and live my life to God's plans best I can ... that includes keeping an upright deportment, showing that Christians are at peace with themselves and those around us ...

The Bible is written into a Man's heart ... we all know what's right and what's wrong ... from there it's a choice ... why do you choose warfare? ...

 

[Cougarbear]

I've accepted Christ into my heart ... and live my life to God's plans best I can ... that includes keeping an upright deportment, showing that Christians are at peace with themselves and those around us ...

The Bible is written into a Man's heart ... we all know what's right and what's wrong ... from there it's a choice ... why do you choose warfare? ...

Because you are preaching evolution that we came from apes. Where did we come before the ape? A whale? Accepting Christ is great. But, you are at the same time preaching against Christ and his truth which are his words. The word of Christ. So, how can you be believed? It's not warfare attempting to teach the truth?

 

[scruffy]

Because you are preaching evolution that we came from apes. Where did we come before the ape? A whale? Accepting Christ is great. But, you are at the same time preaching against Christ and his truth which are his words. The word of Christ. So, how can you be believed? It's not warfare attempting to teach the truth?

Baloney.

Christ never spoke on evolution. Not once. Not ever.

You're just making stuff up.

 

[Cougarbear]

Baloney.

Christ never spoke on evolution. Not once. Not ever.

You're just making stuff up.

So why then to you believe in evolution if Christ never spoke on it? Evolution is making stuff up...

 

[scruffy]

So why then to you believe in evolution if Christ never spoke on it?

Evolution is SCIENCE, not religion.

This is a science forum. I'm a scientist.

Evolution is making stuff up...

Pretty soon.

 

[JoeB131]

try to cope, Joey

I'm coping just fine. There's no magic fairy in the sky and I shouldn't spend my life trying to appease him.

 

[JoeB131]

God has told us much of what he thinks. He has given his gospel in the Bible, Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants and Pearl of Great Price. He has Prophets and apostles in our days too. Oh yes! He has given some of us the Gift of the Holy Ghost to know his thoughts. So, we know exactly how he operates. That's not arrogance. That's having the truth of the Gospel.

Right. God decided to tell all this stuff to a two-bit con-man in the 19th Century.

That and he needed to marry a bunch of 14-year-old girls, because that's what God wanted.

Just remember, Mormon God said that polygamy was a-okay... until Utah wanted to get into the Union and then it was bad.

Because you are preaching evolution that we came from apes. Where did we come before the ape? A whale? Accepting Christ is great. But, you are at the same time preaching against Christ and his truth which are his words. The word of Christ. So, how can you be believed? It's not warfare attempting to teach the truth?

That's easy. Before the apes, there were lesser primates. Before the primate, there were aboreal mammals.

Evolution of primates - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Certainly makes more sense than making two people out of mud and throwing them out of a garden because they listened to a talking snake who told them to eat from a tree.

So why then to you believe in evolution if Christ never spoke on it? Evolution is making stuff up...

Naw, religion is making stuff up. And then changing that stuff when it's no longer politically correct (like God letting blacks in the Mormon Church in 1978, or God deciding the Jews really didn't kill Jesus at Vatican II in 1963.)

 

[ReinyDays]

Because you are preaching evolution that we came from apes. Where did we come before the ape? A whale? Accepting Christ is great. But, you are at the same time preaching against Christ and his truth which are his words. The word of Christ. So, how can you be believed? It's not warfare attempting to teach the truth?

His truth is we are to be forgiving and peaceful ... and to not argue from ignorance ... Scruffy gave you the answers ... why are you still asking? ... if not to foster your own war-mongering? ... the Word is Love ... yet here you spit poison ...

 

[Cougarbear]

Evolution is SCIENCE, not religion.

This is a science forum. I'm a scientist.



Pretty soon.

Evolution is not science. It's a guessing game based on faulty information. Like, it's thought that for wood to petrify you need millions of years to do it. 200 - 300 million years. But, a scientific experiment happened where scientists put several wood logs in volcanic mineral rich water. They took out one log each year. By the 7th year, the log was petrified. That's observable. 200 million years is not observable. It's guesswork. Same with the different layers in the Grand Canyon. And, it's been shown that it actually can take minutes for one layer to be laid, not a million years. It's been observed elsewhere around the world. A million years is not observable and therefore not scientific.

 

[Hollie]

Because you are preaching evolution that we came from apes. Where did we come before the ape? A whale? Accepting Christ is great. But, you are at the same time preaching against Christ and his truth which are his words. The word of Christ. So, how can you be believed? It's not warfare attempting to teach the truth?

Humans were never apes. This is a common mistake made the scientifically illiterate and the creationist charlatans. Man and an early ape-like creature shared a common ancestor but branched off in separate directions.

That type of common ancestry with species branching off in separate directions is not uncommon in evolutionary history.

Because you have been god-smacked by the ICR, you will have difficulty with the above. Just assume all the fosill evidence is a conspiracy, the earth is 6,000 years old and the charlatans at the ICR have your best interest at heart.

 

[Cougarbear]

Right. God decided to tell all this stuff to a two-bit con-man in the 19th Century.

That and he needed to marry a bunch of 14-year-old girls, because that's what God wanted.

Just remember, Mormon God said that polygamy was a-okay... until Utah wanted to get into the Union and then it was bad.



That's easy. Before the apes, there were lesser primates. Before the primate, there were aboreal mammals.

Evolution of primates - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Certainly makes more sense than making two people out of mud and throwing them out of a garden because they listened to a talking snake who told them to eat from a tree.



Naw, religion is making stuff up. And then changing that stuff when it's no longer politically correct (like God letting blacks in the Mormon Church in 1978, or God deciding the Jews really didn't kill Jesus at Vatican II in 1963.)

Did you observe the changes during the millions of years? No. So, yours is not observational science. It's guesswork junk science to con the government out of our taxes to get more grants. You are the conman. You have no proof of anything about Joseph Smith. In fact, as more and more observable evidence comes forth, it's shutting down the attacks on Joseph Smith. All of them.

Well, the idea of "from the dust of the earth" doesn't mean from literally mud. Not even religious leaders have observed this. So, what is the meaning that Adam was formed from the dust of the earth? It doesn't say Eve was. Where did she come from? I have no doctrinal writings that says for sure. There are past prophets and apostles that had their own thoughts on this. But, nothing written in the cannon laws of the Church. So, it could simply mean that perhaps Adam and Eve both had belly buttons. The "dust" is simply the nourishment brought forth from the earth to their parents who came to earth from another world populated with other of God's children. What is to be understood from this account of Adam and Eve is that they were the first of our human fold about 6,000 years ago. If you would bother to look back at the human population growth since 4400 years ago, reversing the growth would yield that we started with 8 souls 4400 years ago. At the time of Christ, the belief is that there were 250,000 people on the earth.

 

[Cougarbear]

His truth is we are to be forgiving and peaceful ... and to not argue from ignorance ... Scruffy gave you the answers ... why are you still asking? ... if not to foster your own war-mongering? ... the Word is Love ... yet here you spit poison ...

So, Scruffy the cat's answer is the only true answer? Sounds cultish to me. He gave "AN" answer, Not "THE" answer. I'm simply not agreeing with his unscientific theories. Is this not allowed amongst so-called atheist scientists? Science is not settled. Never. Do you bow down to your almighty Scruffy every night before you go to bed and thank him for everything?

 

[Cougarbear]

Humans were never apes. This is a common mistake made the scientifically illiterate and the creationist charlatans. Man and an early ape-like creature shared a common ancestor but branched off in separate directions.

That type of common ancestry with species branching off in separate directions is not uncommon in evolutionary history.

Because you have been god-smacked by the ICR, you will have difficulty with the above. Just assume all the fosill evidence is a conspiracy, the earth is 6,000 years old and the charlatans at the ICR have your best interest at heart.

Unlike you and your junk science, I will read and ponder on what ICR and other creationists have to say. I also am well learned in the unscientific brainwashing techniques of atheist scientists and what they do to our children from preschool through college. So, unlike you, I know both sides of the issues. I also don't agree in lumping in everything one side says is true. There can be truth from both sides. You seem to be forced to believe the atheist viewpoints of our human existence. You have a closed mind and not an open mind. You are stiffnecked and cultlike in your rejection of other's points of knowledge.

So, take your theory about "Man" and "early ape-like creature" (they were either apes or not. There is no ape-like creature in this theory of evolution) is interesting. However, even apes that are similar enough may be able to interbreed, the likelihood and success of it vary greatly depending on the specific species involved and other factors. The offspring will most likely be infertility or non-viable. Since there is no observable occurrences, then it's just a theory that may have happened. This is why all your published literature and books on the subject have the fuzzy words "may have happened" "Maybe" "might be" and so on exist throughout the written ideas on this. Nothing is settled without actual facts that simply still don't exist.

 

[ReinyDays]

So, Scruffy the cat's answer is the only true answer? Sounds cultish to me. He gave "AN" answer, Not "THE" answer. I'm simply not agreeing with his unscientific theories. Is this not allowed amongst so-called atheist scientists? Science is not settled. Never. Do you bow down to your almighty Scruffy every night before you go to bed and thank him for everything?

Is that your excuse for being a liar? ... for the sake of "truth"? ... that's so backwards, you should be ashamed of yourself ...

You're not worshiping the Prince of Peace by bickering ... stupid ... you're just being an evil war-monger ...

 

[Cougarbear]

Is that your excuse for being a liar? ... for the sake of "truth"? ... that's so backwards, you should be ashamed of yourself ...

You're not worshiping the Prince of Peace by bickering ... stupid ... you're just being an evil war-monger ...

Okay Mr. Judgmental oh perfect god of this world. Check this out and explain?

 

[JoeB131]

Did you observe the changes during the millions of years? No. So, yours is not observational science. It's guesswork junk science to con the government out of our taxes to get more grants.

This is a bizarrre argument. you didn't witness the Genesis Fairy Tale... So yours is not an observational science.

What we can observe are fossils showing change over time. We can observe micro-evolution in bacteria that become drug-resistant.

You have a bronze age fairy story about a couple of people made of mud who listened to a talking snake.

You are the conman. You have no proof of anything about Joseph Smith. In fact, as more and more observable evidence comes forth, it's shutting down the attacks on Joseph Smith. All of them.

Do you know the difference between Joseph Smith and David Koresh?

Original and Extra-Crispy.

Well, the idea of "from the dust of the earth" doesn't mean from literally mud. Not even religious leaders have observed this. So, what is the meaning that Adam was formed from the dust of the earth? It doesn't say Eve was. Where did she come from? I have no doctrinal writings that says for sure. There are past prophets and apostles that had their own thoughts on this. But, nothing written in the cannon laws of the Church. So, it could simply mean that perhaps Adam and Eve both had belly buttons. The "dust" is simply the nourishment brought forth from the earth to their parents who came to earth from another world populated with other of God's children. What is to be understood from this account of Adam and Eve is that they were the first of our human fold about 6,000 years ago. If you would bother to look back at the human population growth since 4400 years ago, reversing the growth would yield that we started with 8 souls 4400 years ago. At the time of Christ, the belief is that there were 250,000 people on the earth.

That's nonsense. Even the Bible claims there were more than that just living in Israel.

The best estimates in the first century, the population of the earth was about 300 million.

The Emperor Claudius conducted a Census in 48 CE that found there were 5.9 million Roman Citizens at that time. That's not counting slaves and freemen who weren't Roman citizens, and that was just in the Roman Empire.

 

[Cougarbear]

This is a bizarrre argument. you didn't witness the Genesis Fairy Tale... So yours is not an observational science.
What we can observe are fossils showing change over time. We can observe micro-evolution in bacteria that become drug-resistant.
You have a bronze age fairy story about a couple of people made of mud who listened to a talking snake.

CB: I have never claimed that the Adam and Eve story in the Bible is observational science. And, we have observed fossilization not taking millions of years either. Only days in many cases. And, micro-evolution in bacteria doesn't take millions of years either. You just proved that the "evolution" isn't millions or billions of years either. At least I was honest about Adam and Eve. You just try to fill up blank space with nonsense.

Do you know the difference between Joseph Smith and David Koresh?
Original and Extra-Crispy.

CB: You are one sick bastard. A very sick man.

That's nonsense. Even the Bible claims there were more than that just living in Israel.

Does it? Where? Book, chapter and verse...

The best estimates in the first century, the population of the earth was about 300 million.

Nonsense. The best estimates are 250,000

The Emperor Claudius conducted a Census in 48 CE that found there were 5.9 million Roman Citizens at that time. That's not counting slaves and freemen who weren't Roman citizens, and that was just in the Roman Empire.

Reference please!