Evolution Starts with Lucy

[ReinyDays]

The Book of James says "draw nearer to God, and He will draw nearer to you".

You don't draw nearer to God by mocking His handiwork.

Some people use religion as an excuse to look down on others. Such behavior IMO is an abuse of the message.

The dumbest thing in the world is to deny what's right in front of you.

This particular pic, is NOT from a laboratory, it's a natural occurrence.

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One must appreciate the simplicity and elegance of something like this. Yes, we can do this in a lab too, we know enough now.

That picture is from a laboratory ... look at the shadows ... that's not how farm buildings are lighted ... look at the blurry background ... that ain't no damn chicken coop ... haha ...

But your point is true ... as soon as wings started appearing on buffaloes, we human artificially selected until today we get our favorite football watching foods ... there's your "laboratory experiment" fully demonstrating Modern Evolution ... we've sequenced the DNA and a fair portion of our domesticated animals are separate species now ...

Cats are the major exception, indeed human DNA has change more since they came into our lives ... makes you wonder who's selectively breeding who? ...

 

[scruffy]

That picture is from a laboratory ... look at the shadows ... that's not how farm buildings are lighted ... look at the blurry background ... that ain't no damn chicken coop ... haha ...

But your point is true ... as soon as wings started appearing on buffaloes, we human artificially selected until today we get our favorite football watching foods ... there's your "laboratory experiment" fully demonstrating Modern Evolution ... we've sequenced the DNA and a fair portion of our domesticated animals are separate species now ...

Cats are the major exception, indeed human DNA has change more since they came into our lives ... makes you wonder who's selectively breeding who? ...

According to accumulated research, there are exactly five dynamics that regulate biological "shape" - that latter word being used in its broadest possible context, including body plan, organ shape, lung and brain folding, and even shapes that get replaced (like body hair).

The five factors are:

1. timing of cell division
2. order of cell division
3. the direction cells divide and move
4. how many times cells divide
5. how long a cell lives before it dies

Order and direction are known to be context sensitive, the other three "may" be context sensitive.

A general mechanism for shape has to account for not only simple globular shapes like stomachs and livers, but also complex and intricate shapes like the intestines, and fractal structures like insect antennae or fern leaves. Concepts like "symmetry" fall into category 3.

Lots and lots of work has been done on this issue. For example, intestinal cells get replaced about once a month. How does a new cell know which old cell to replace? It has to move into place and establish communication with its neighbors. In the case of red blood cells the equation is pretty simple, since they just float around without being attached to anything. However a new neuron in the entorhinal cortex of the brain has to mimic the connections of it's predecessor and reestablish the same synaptic weights its predecessor had.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It should be clarified, given the misleading thread title and OP:

Not one scientist would ever say Lucy was "the first humanoid". That isn't how evolution works, and this isn't how scientists talk..

Scientists would deem it the earliest known fossil that they have classified as a hominin species.

Except that isn't true, either.

"The oldest hominins currently known are Sahelanthropus tchadensis from Chad (Brunet et al. 2005) and Orrorin tugenensis from Kenya (Senut et al. 2001). Sahelanthropus, dated to between 6 and 7 mya, is known from a largely complete skull and some other fragmentary remains."

Overview of Hominin Evolution

How did humans evolve into the big-brained, bipedal ape that we are today? This article examines the fossil evidence of our 6 million year evolution.

www.nature.com

 

[scruffy]

Even the scientists have a hard time telling what a species is without genetic analysis.

Small Australian carnivorous marsupial reclassified as 3 species: Study

Researchers describe the kultarr as “Australia’s cutest mammal”: It’s eyes are quite large for its mouse-like head, it’s ears are perky and it has long, thin legs that allow it to run so fast that it looks like it’s hopping. A recent study has now confirmed that the insect-eating marsupial is...

news.mongabay.com

 

[scruffy]

Even the scientists have a hard time telling what a species is without genetic analysis.

Small Australian carnivorous marsupial reclassified as 3 species: Study

Researchers describe the kultarr as “Australia’s cutest mammal”: It’s eyes are quite large for its mouse-like head, it’s ears are perky and it has long, thin legs that allow it to run so fast that it looks like it’s hopping. A recent study has now confirmed that the insect-eating marsupial is...

news.mongabay.com

So lemme see... almost 50% of our DNA is what they call "transposable elements", they're short repetitive sequences, varying by just a tiny amount. They regulate other genes downstream.

What has happened during evolution is the receptive surfaces adapt to the shape of the TE, so you get multiple parallel channels of regulation.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.ads9164

Study reveals hidden regulatory roles of 'junk' DNA

A new international study suggests that ancient viral DNA embedded in our genome, which were long dismissed as genetic "junk," may actually play powerful roles in regulating gene expression. Focusing on a family of sequences called MER11, researchers from Japan, China, Canada, and the US have...

phys.org

 

[Cougarbear]

That picture is from a laboratory ... look at the shadows ... that's not how farm buildings are lighted ... look at the blurry background ... that ain't no damn chicken coop ... haha ...

But your point is true ... as soon as wings started appearing on buffaloes, we human artificially selected until today we get our favorite football watching foods ... there's your "laboratory experiment" fully demonstrating Modern Evolution ... we've sequenced the DNA and a fair portion of our domesticated animals are separate species now ...

Cats are the major exception, indeed human DNA has change more since they came into our lives ... makes you wonder who's selectively breeding who? ...

Evolution and old earth are theories with no proof.

 

[JoeB131]

Evolution and old earth are theories with no proof.

Except for atomic science, and fossils, physiology, and the fact that the universe itself is 14 billion years old (it takes light 14 bilion years from the furthest stars to reach Earth)

 

[Cougarbear]

Except for atomic science, and fossils, physiology, and the fact that the universe itself is 14 billion years old (it takes light 14 bilion years from the furthest stars to reach Earth)

I said old earth. Wouldn’t matter. God made the lights from the stars appear instantly. Remember, he’s not some earthly scientist. He organized everything creating life as well. The facts are clear. Your scientists have bungled the dating of everything because of confirmation bias. True science is uncovering the mistakes of your past.

 

[Cougarbear]

Except for atomic science, and fossils, physiology, and the fact that the universe itself is 14 billion years old (it takes light 14 bilion years from the furthest stars to reach Earth)

These are just a small bit of the evidence that your theories of old earth are correct.

 

[Cougarbear]

Except for atomic science, and fossils, physiology, and the fact that the universe itself is 14 billion years old (it takes light 14 bilion years from the furthest stars to reach Earth)

 

[scruffy]

God made the lights from the stars appear instantly.

Horseshit.

You're just pulling stuff out of your butt.

It doesn't say that anywhere in your Bible. Nowhere. You're making stuff up. Speaking for God. Inserting stuff into God's Word that isn't there.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[Cougarbear]

Horseshit.

You're just pulling stuff out of your butt.

It doesn't say that anywhere in your Bible. Nowhere. You're making stuff up. Speaking for God. Inserting stuff into God's Word that isn't there.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Doesn’t say what? Genesis 1:16, “And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.” The earth was already made with grass and trees on it before the Sun, moon and stars appeared. So, did he make them on the 4th day and they appeared or did he just make them appear on the 4th day? And was that 4,000 years to do it all? Many questions still.
You should be ashamed of yourself thinking your interpretation is the only interpretation. Typical atheist cultist.

 

[irosie91]

Doesn’t say what? Genesis 1:16, “And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.” The earth was already made with grass and trees on it before the Sun, moon and stars appeared. So, did he make them on the 4th day and they appeared or did he just make them appear on the 4th day? And was that 4,000 years to do it all? Many questions still.
You should be ashamed of yourself thinking your interpretation is the only interpretation. Typical atheist cultist.

POETRY genesis describes the plans which had to be submitted by the
general contractor once they were completed by the civil engineer. Its
a LABORIOUS effort

 

[scruffy]

Doesn’t say what? Genesis 1:16, “And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.”

Do you see the word "instantly" in there? I don't. It isn't there. You made it up.

You should be ashamed of yourself thinking your interpretation is the only interpretation.

Alteration is different from interpretation.

What you're doing is alteration.

Typical atheist cultist.

Typical arrogant religionist. You're making up your own cult as you go along. Drinking your own Kool Aid.

 

[Cougarbear]

POETRY genesis describes the plans which had to be submitted by the
general contractor once they were completed by the civil engineer. Its
a LABORIOUS effort

Uggg…Nice try. LOL!

 

[Cougarbear]

Do you see the word "instantly" in there? I don't. It isn't there. You made it up.

CB: Do you see anything about it not being instantly? Reading between the lines is interpretation based on our personal experience, knowledge and references. Yours is limited and cult like.

Alteration is different from interpretation.

CB: No it’s not. Not in this case. To figure out the truth requires experience, knowledge and references that will alter your understanding compared to my true understanding.

What you're doing is alteration.

CB: Thank you. It’s necessary to understand after correct interpretation is done by me.

Typical arrogant religionist. You're making up your own cult as you go along. Drinking your own Kool Aid.

CB: Since this is from a religious book, it’s your atheism that is arrogant. How would an atheist begin to understand the things of God. All things are spiritual to God.

 

[scruffy]

CB: Since this is from a religious book, it’s your atheism that is arrogant. How would an atheist begin to understand the things of God. All things are spiritual to God.

See?

You speak for God?

You think you know how God operates?

That's plain old human arrogance. There's nothing spiritual about it.

 

[ReinyDays]

All things are spiritual to God.

Then why are you arguing evolution of the flesh? ... especially with make-up mumbo-jumbo that the Bible never says ...

You are making this up ... you're war-like demeanor says you know you're lying ...

 

[JoeB131]

Doesn’t say what? Genesis 1:16, “And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.” The earth was already made with grass and trees on it before the Sun, moon and stars appeared. So, did he make them on the 4th day and they appeared or did he just make them appear on the 4th day? And was that 4,000 years to do it all? Many questions still.
You should be ashamed of yourself thinking your interpretation is the only interpretation. Typical atheist cultist.

Dude, that would assume that God created galaxies billions of light years away, but only created the earth 6000 years ago.

That makes us seem... just not that important.

 

[irosie91]

Dude, that would assume that God created galaxies billions of light years away, but only created the earth 6000 years ago.

That makes us seem... just not that important.

try to cope, Joey