Even the government itself admitted in the 70's there was a conspiracy to kill JFK.

[LA RAM FAN]

you all live in a banana Republic..............

your President Kennedy was killed by your own people in a Coup D'etat ...and you think that it is all a Walt Disney tale........

what can one say..... you deserve all that is coming to ya'....because it can happen again.

you got to remember these trolls are working for the government and they know just as well as you do what you say is true.they are sent here by their handlers to troll any truth discussions about government corruption.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

LBJ...CIA....FBI... oil and military...

get the hired guns....

done deal

you all live in a banana Republic..............

your President Kennedy was killed by your own people in a Coup D'etat ...and you think that it is all a Walt Disney tale........

what can one say..... you deserve all that is coming to ya'....because it can happen again.

So you are certain there was a gov't agency plot to replace JFK with LBJ. Any thoughts about how LBJ's policies (civil rights, war on poverty) differed from JFK's and how no one has ever claimed responsibility?

Yes, I am certain there was a plot to kill JFK and replace him with LBJ.

My thoughts are not important..... there are many witnesses who said what they knew...they were killed...or the Warren Commission dismissed them because it didn't fit with the fantasy theory of the lone gunman.

as any serious objective open minded researcher knows that to be true.

 

[candycorn]

LBJ...CIA....FBI... oil and military...

get the hired guns....

done deal

you all live in a banana Republic..............

your President Kennedy was killed by your own people in a Coup D'etat ...and you think that it is all a Walt Disney tale........

what can one say..... you deserve all that is coming to ya'....because it can happen again.

So you are certain there was a gov't agency plot to replace JFK with LBJ. Any thoughts about how LBJ's policies (civil rights, war on poverty) differed from JFK's and how no one has ever claimed responsibility?

You can easily dismiss the military (and likely the CIA or at least the hawkish wing of the CIA) having anything to do with killing JFK. We didn't go into Cuba which would be the first country to invade

 

[LA RAM FAN]

someone farted in here.

 

[mskafka]

It's interesting that you mention "A Banana Republic." I was just talking about that very subject 3 nights ago. I mentioned to a friend that I was SOOOO glad that I never bought a Banana Republic shirt, in an attempt to be fashionable.

Those who knew/know what that term means, have had a huge laugh at those shirts. You might as well be wearing a shirt that says: "I'm completely clueless about the world around me." Or: "I can be easily persuaded and influenced."

Good catch.

 

[Freewill]

I realize I am getting into this late but here is my opinion. The HSC was prepared to come to the conclusion that there was no second gunman up to the last days of testimony. Then in come some "scientists" that claim the Dictaphone proves 4 shots were fired. The HSC then changed their conclusion. Since then the claim of 4 shots has been blown out of the water in many different ways. It is a shame that the HSC perpetuated incorrect information in its conclusion. It gets all the conspiracy theory people all riled up for no good reason.

There were three shots. The HSC said that Oswald shot three times. There fore it was Oswald. KISS.

The sole acoustic evidence relied on by the committee's experts to support its theory of a fourth gunshot (and a gunman on the grassy knoll) in the JFK assassination, was a Dictabelt recording alleged to be from a stuck transmitter on a police motorcycle in Dealey Plaza during the assassination. After the committee finished its work, however, an amateur researcher listened to the recording and discovered faint crosstalk of transmissions from another police radio channel known to have been made a minute after the assassination. This was supported by the National Academy of Science article.[citation needed]

Further, the Dallas motorcycle policeman thought to be the source of the sounds followed the motorcade to the hospital at high speed, his siren blaring, immediately after the shots were fired. Yet the recording is of a mostly idling motorcycle, eventually determined to have been at JFK's destination, the Trade Mart, miles from Dealey Plaza.[citation

 

[Bfgrn]

I realize I am getting into this late but here is my opinion. The HSC was prepared to come to the conclusion that there was no second gunman up to the last days of testimony. Then in come some "scientists" that claim the Dictaphone proves 4 shots were fired. The HSC then changed their conclusion. Since then the claim of 4 shots has been blown out of the water in many different ways. It is a shame that the HSC perpetuated incorrect information in its conclusion. It gets all the conspiracy theory people all riled up for no good reason.

There were three shots. The HSC said that Oswald shot three times. There fore it was Oswald. KISS.

The sole acoustic evidence relied on by the committee's experts to support its theory of a fourth gunshot (and a gunman on the grassy knoll) in the JFK assassination, was a Dictabelt recording alleged to be from a stuck transmitter on a police motorcycle in Dealey Plaza during the assassination. After the committee finished its work, however, an amateur researcher listened to the recording and discovered faint crosstalk of transmissions from another police radio channel known to have been made a minute after the assassination. This was supported by the National Academy of Science article.[citation needed]

Further, the Dallas motorcycle policeman thought to be the source of the sounds followed the motorcade to the hospital at high speed, his siren blaring, immediately after the shots were fired. Yet the recording is of a mostly idling motorcycle, eventually determined to have been at JFK's destination, the Trade Mart, miles from Dealey Plaza.[citation

A simple minded reply that requires total disregard of physical, forensic, ballistic and eye witness evidence, disregard of the testimony of one of the victims of the shooting, his wife, the senior Secret Service Agent in the passenger seat and all laws of physics and science...

 

[Freewill]

I realize I am getting into this late but here is my opinion. The HSC was prepared to come to the conclusion that there was no second gunman up to the last days of testimony. Then in come some "scientists" that claim the Dictaphone proves 4 shots were fired. The HSC then changed their conclusion. Since then the claim of 4 shots has been blown out of the water in many different ways. It is a shame that the HSC perpetuated incorrect information in its conclusion. It gets all the conspiracy theory people all riled up for no good reason.

There were three shots. The HSC said that Oswald shot three times. There fore it was Oswald. KISS.

The sole acoustic evidence relied on by the committee's experts to support its theory of a fourth gunshot (and a gunman on the grassy knoll) in the JFK assassination, was a Dictabelt recording alleged to be from a stuck transmitter on a police motorcycle in Dealey Plaza during the assassination. After the committee finished its work, however, an amateur researcher listened to the recording and discovered faint crosstalk of transmissions from another police radio channel known to have been made a minute after the assassination. This was supported by the National Academy of Science article.[citation needed]

Further, the Dallas motorcycle policeman thought to be the source of the sounds followed the motorcade to the hospital at high speed, his siren blaring, immediately after the shots were fired. Yet the recording is of a mostly idling motorcycle, eventually determined to have been at JFK's destination, the Trade Mart, miles from Dealey Plaza.[citation

A simple minded reply that requires total disregard of physical, forensic, ballistic and eye witness evidence, disregard of the testimony of one of the victims of the shooting, his wife, the senior Secret Service Agent in the passenger seat and all laws of physics and science...

Present one at a time and we will discuss. What I posted wasn't nearly as simple minded as what you posted it is the truth. The single bullet, proved to be true. Eye witness accounts are invariably not reliable so we can just throw those out and stick to the physical evidence.

I watched a special where they tried to simulate the single bullet. They did it almost exactly the only thing that did not happen was it didn't lodge in the simulated thigh. The bullet hit everywhere the single bullet hit and came out just as "pristine."

It is always your side that produces posts like yours. No fact just innuendo. I provided facts yet you accuse me of just the opposite.

Oswald killed Tippets and he killed JFK, case should have been closed years ago. The only thing keeping it going is the what iffers.

 

[Bfgrn]

I realize I am getting into this late but here is my opinion. The HSC was prepared to come to the conclusion that there was no second gunman up to the last days of testimony. Then in come some "scientists" that claim the Dictaphone proves 4 shots were fired. The HSC then changed their conclusion. Since then the claim of 4 shots has been blown out of the water in many different ways. It is a shame that the HSC perpetuated incorrect information in its conclusion. It gets all the conspiracy theory people all riled up for no good reason.

There were three shots. The HSC said that Oswald shot three times. There fore it was Oswald. KISS.

The sole acoustic evidence relied on by the committee's experts to support its theory of a fourth gunshot (and a gunman on the grassy knoll) in the JFK assassination, was a Dictabelt recording alleged to be from a stuck transmitter on a police motorcycle in Dealey Plaza during the assassination. After the committee finished its work, however, an amateur researcher listened to the recording and discovered faint crosstalk of transmissions from another police radio channel known to have been made a minute after the assassination. This was supported by the National Academy of Science article.[citation needed]

Further, the Dallas motorcycle policeman thought to be the source of the sounds followed the motorcade to the hospital at high speed, his siren blaring, immediately after the shots were fired. Yet the recording is of a mostly idling motorcycle, eventually determined to have been at JFK's destination, the Trade Mart, miles from Dealey Plaza.[citation

A simple minded reply that requires total disregard of physical, forensic, ballistic and eye witness evidence, disregard of the testimony of one of the victims of the shooting, his wife, the senior Secret Service Agent in the passenger seat and all laws of physics and science...

Present one at a time and we will discuss. What I posted wasn't nearly as simple minded as what you posted it is the truth. The single bullet, proved to be true. Eye witness accounts are invariably not reliable so we can just throw those out and stick to the physical evidence.

I watched a special where they tried to simulate the single bullet. They did it almost exactly the only thing that did not happen was it didn't lodge in the simulated thigh. The bullet hit everywhere the single bullet hit and came out just as "pristine."

It is always your side that produces posts like yours. No fact just innuendo. I provided facts yet you accuse me of just the opposite.

Oswald killed Tippets and he killed JFK, case should have been closed years ago. The only thing keeping it going is the what iffers.

Your first sentence wraps it up..."I realize I am getting into this late but here is my opinion."

Go back and READ...

a) You can start by explaining how Oswald was able to fire off the last 2 shots almost simultaneously using a poorly operating bolt action rifle?

b) Then explain how John Connolly could have possibly had a 'delayed reaction' to the grievous wounds that ripped through his chest. To his dying day Connolly vehemently said he was not hit by the first bullet.

Governor Connally told the Warren Commission, "I was turning to look back over my left shoulder into the back seat, but I never got that far in my turn. I got about in the position I am in now facing you, looking a little bit to the left of center, and then I felt like someone had hit me in the back."(1) He elaborated to the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) "...so I was in the process of, at least I was turning to look over my left shoulder into the back seat to see if I could see him. I never looked, I never made the full turn. About the time I turned back where I was facing more or less straight ahead, the way the car was moving, I was hit. I was knocked over, just doubled over by the force of the bullet. It went in my back and came out my chest about 2 inches below and to the left of my right nipple. The force of the bullet drove my body over almost double and when I looked, immediately I could see I was just drenched with blood. (2)

(1) Robert J. Groden & Harrison Edward Livingstone, "High Treason" (New York: Berkley Book 1990) p.272-273
(2)The Report of the Select Committee on Asssassinations U.S. House of Representatives; Vol. 1, p.42

c) Explain how the bullet that entered the President's back and created a shallow wound which was probed during the autopsy and the bottom of the wound could be reached with a human finger exited his throat, from a wound described as an entrance wound by Parkland doctors that was 6 inches higher than the back wound?

 

[IlarMeilyr]

It has been too long since I noted the dishonesty of the idiotic thread headline.

Let's recap it:

The GOVERNMENT never "admitted" any such thing. Nor could it. NOBODY and no government is in a position to "admit" a falsehood.

A PORTION (a relatively small portion) of PART of our government DID take such a position once upon a time. But they are not and were not "the" government.

 

[Bfgrn]

It has been too long since I noted the dishonesty of the idiotic thread headline.

Let's recap it:

The GOVERNMENT never "admitted" any such thing. Nor could it. NOBODY and no government is in a position to "admit" a falsehood.

A PORTION (a relatively small portion) of PART of our government DID take such a position once upon a time. But they are not and were not "the" government.

WTF are you babbling about?

 

[Freewill]

a) You can start by explaining how Oswald was able to fire off the last 2 shots almost simultaneously using a poorly operating bolt action rifle?

OK, this is exactly what I mean about you posting your opinion without one shred of evidence. Where do you get that someone fired 2 shots almost simultaneously? First of all the HCA came to the conclusion they do not know when the first shot was fired. But they figured that the second two were fired 5.6 seconds apart. So if we allow 2,3 seconds to operate the bolt that is about 8 seconds, plenty of time and has been proved over and over.

The acoustic evidence that the HCA determined there was four shots has since been blown out of the water.

So you need to provide a source of the two shots at one time.

 

[IlarMeilyr]

It has been too long since I noted the dishonesty of the idiotic thread headline.

Let's recap it:

The GOVERNMENT never "admitted" any such thing. Nor could it. NOBODY and no government is in a position to "admit" a falsehood.

A PORTION (a relatively small portion) of PART of our government DID take such a position once upon a time. But they are not and were not "the" government.

WTF are you babbling about?

I am not babbling at all. Wish the same could be said honestly for you. Alas ....

The fucking THREAD is premised on a flatly false claim. Read the thread headline.

It is false.

The "government" NEVER "admitted" any such thing. In fact, the "government" never even made that absurd claim. A fucking special "committee" of ONE house of one Branch of our government said it. That didn't make it true then and it doesn't make it true now.

By the way, the beveled bone fragments from President Kennedy's head wound firmly established that he WAS shot from behind. If you don't know that -- or if you can't grasp its import -- you will forever waddle like a duck in mud kwacking your silly conspiracy nonsense.

 

[Freewill]

A
b) Then explain how John Connolly could have possibly had a 'delayed reaction' to the grievous wounds that ripped through his chest. To his dying day Connolly vehemently said he was not hit by the first bullet.

Neither of them were hit with the first bullet according the HCA and the Warren commission. But let us say they got it wrong, so what? What you are going to say is that the alleged delay is due to two shooters. Well how about if it went down like this.

First shot hit Kennedy in the back and lodges there later to become the "pristine" bullet.

Second shot misses Kennedy and hits Connelly with the bullet fragmentizing..

The third hit Kennedy in the head.

Either way three shot, three from the same person three from Oswald.

While I am good with the single bullet theory it could have gone down in the way I describe and that still does not point to conspiracy.

 

[whitehall]

Sagan was a fool. Extraordinary claims require the same evidence as any other claim. First you have to define the word "conspiracy". Plots to kill political leaders are a dime a dozen. That's why we have the Secret Service. The only real conspiracy involves the CIA's role in the repatriation of Lee Oswald after he defected to the USSR. Did the CIA intend to use Oswald for some dumb ass mission to kill Castro, which was apparently a priority in the Kennedy administration, and it backfired on them?

 

[Freewill]

c) Explain how the bullet that entered the President's back and created a shallow wound which was probed during the autopsy and the bottom of the wound could be reached with a human finger exited his throat, from a wound described as an entrance wound by Parkland doctors that was 6 inches higher than the back wound?

As you say a conductor of the autopsy reported sticking his finger in the back wound and feeling the end of the wound, but finding no bullet. It could have been later found on his stretcher and be misidentified as having supposedly fallen out of Connelly. Easily who used which stretcher could have gotten confused.

Again, no matter what we believe the truth is Oswald fired three times. There was not a volley of shots raining down on the President.

I have no fish to fry in this. I subscribe to some conspiracy theories, such as I don't believe OBL was killed as they are trying to tell us. But this, I have no stake in the game to argue either way. The piss ant Oswald killed Kennedy. Too little of a man for such a big crime but that is where the fact point.

 

[Freewill]

Sagan was a fool. Extraordinary claims require the same evidence as any other claim. First you have to define the word "conspiracy". Plots to kill political leaders are a dime a dozen. That's why we have the Secret Service. The only real conspiracy involves the CIA's role in the repatriation of Lee Oswald after he defected to the USSR. Did the CIA intend to use Oswald for some dumb ass mission to kill Castro, which was apparently a priority in the Kennedy administration, and it backfired on them?

By what I read Oswald never gave up his citizenship. Which would mean he would be free to return without anyone's assistance. Is there any secrets in Washington? Do you think this could go down without much of a beep? I don't think so.

 

[Big Black Dog]

Even the government itself admitted in the 70's there was a conspiracy to kill JFK.

Just like our government. Years behind. He was killed in 63 and they still had a conspiracy to kill him in the 70"s. That explains a lot about Washington.

 

[Freewill]

Even the government itself admitted in the 70's there was a conspiracy to kill JFK.

Just like our government. Years behind. He was killed in 63 and they still had a conspiracy to kill him in the 70"s. That explains a lot about Washington.

The HSCA conclusion was based on bad science, since then the conclusion has been blown out of the water. That is why there hasn't been a 50 year man hunt for the other conspirators.

 

[dcraelin]

you know if Oswald did kill Kennedy, how can people be so sure it wasn't at the behest of the soviets, sense he spent some time there? How could they have dismissed that so early, or at all?