Evangelicals and Trump

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So, why don't you believe that a woman's rights should begin when her life does.

I do. I don’t agree with your religious beliefs and wonder why you seek to impose your religious beliefs on me.

How can I best prove to you that I don't have any religious views to impose on you or on anyone else?

Stop lying. Only the religiously impaired take your position.

No. That's not correct. Science tells us that a specific human life comes into existence at conception. Common sense tells us that it is wrong to end a human life especially for selfish reasons.

See? No religious argument needed at all, dummy.

See? Another religious loon (you) who holds that position. Thanks for proving my point.

So what was the religious argument I made, dummy?

Sometimes I wonder if you even graduated high school.

Science doesn't tell us when the soul enters the body. You do believe in a soul, don't you? Personally, I think the soul enters later, otherwise we'd remember being in the womb, being born...

Can you tell me what makes you... you?

What makes you different than every every person who has ever lived or will ever live?

 

[ding]

So, why don't you believe that a woman's rights should begin when her life does.

I do. I don’t agree with your religious beliefs and wonder why you seek to impose your religious beliefs on me.

How can I best prove to you that I don't have any religious views to impose on you or on anyone else?

Stop lying. Only the religiously impaired take your position.

No. That's not correct. Science tells us that a specific human life comes into existence at conception. Common sense tells us that it is wrong to end a human life especially for selfish reasons.

See? No religious argument needed at all, dummy.

See? Another religious loon (you) who holds that position. Thanks for proving my point.

So what was the religious argument I made, dummy?

Sometimes I wonder if you even graduated high school.

Science doesn't tell us when the soul enters the body. You do believe in a soul, don't you? Personally, I think the soul enters later, otherwise we'd remember being in the womb, being born...

I never mentioned a soul, dummy. Forget the soul, dummy. When does life begin, dummy?

In that case, when you're born. Isn't that what the law says as well?

No. I don't believe it does. It is when you are a distinct human being. That happens at conception.

 

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The legal system recognizes individuals. Genetically distinct individuals are created at conception.

 

[Taz]

So, why don't you believe that a woman's rights should begin when her life does.

I do. I don’t agree with your religious beliefs and wonder why you seek to impose your religious beliefs on me.

How can I best prove to you that I don't have any religious views to impose on you or on anyone else?

Stop lying. Only the religiously impaired take your position.

No. That's not correct. Science tells us that a specific human life comes into existence at conception. Common sense tells us that it is wrong to end a human life especially for selfish reasons.

See? No religious argument needed at all, dummy.

See? Another religious loon (you) who holds that position. Thanks for proving my point.

So what was the religious argument I made, dummy?

Sometimes I wonder if you even graduated high school.

Science doesn't tell us when the soul enters the body. You do believe in a soul, don't you? Personally, I think the soul enters later, otherwise we'd remember being in the womb, being born...

Can you tell me what makes you... you?

What makes you different than every every person who has ever lived or will ever live?

My personality. I'm awesome!

 

[Taz]

The legal system recognizes individuals. Genetically distinct individuals are created at conception.

 

[ding]

So, why don't you believe that a woman's rights should begin when her life does.

I do. I don’t agree with your religious beliefs and wonder why you seek to impose your religious beliefs on me.

How can I best prove to you that I don't have any religious views to impose on you or on anyone else?

Stop lying. Only the religiously impaired take your position.

No. That's not correct. Science tells us that a specific human life comes into existence at conception. Common sense tells us that it is wrong to end a human life especially for selfish reasons.

See? No religious argument needed at all, dummy.

See? Another religious loon (you) who holds that position. Thanks for proving my point.

So what was the religious argument I made, dummy?

Sometimes I wonder if you even graduated high school.

Science doesn't tell us when the soul enters the body. You do believe in a soul, don't you? Personally, I think the soul enters later, otherwise we'd remember being in the womb, being born...

Can you tell me what makes you... you?

What makes you different than every every person who has ever lived or will ever live?

My personality. I'm awesome!

No. That's not it. How would science identify you as a distinct individual?

You do believe in science, right?

 

[Taz]

So, why don't you believe that a woman's rights should begin when her life does.

I do. I don’t agree with your religious beliefs and wonder why you seek to impose your religious beliefs on me.

How can I best prove to you that I don't have any religious views to impose on you or on anyone else?

Stop lying. Only the religiously impaired take your position.

No. That's not correct. Science tells us that a specific human life comes into existence at conception. Common sense tells us that it is wrong to end a human life especially for selfish reasons.

See? No religious argument needed at all, dummy.

See? Another religious loon (you) who holds that position. Thanks for proving my point.

So what was the religious argument I made, dummy?

Sometimes I wonder if you even graduated high school.

Science doesn't tell us when the soul enters the body. You do believe in a soul, don't you? Personally, I think the soul enters later, otherwise we'd remember being in the womb, being born...

Can you tell me what makes you... you?

What makes you different than every every person who has ever lived or will ever live?

My personality. I'm awesome!

No. That's not it. How would science identify you as a distinct individual?

You do believe in science, right?

Driver's license photo.

 

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The legal system recognizes individuals. Genetically distinct individuals are created at conception.

"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being...[this] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion, it is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence...." - Dr Jerome LeJeune, Professor of Genetics at the University of Descartes, Paris, discoverer of the chromosome pattern of Down's Syndrome, and Nobel Prize Winner, Report, Subcommittee on Separation of Powers to Senate Judiciary Committee S-158, 97th Congress, 1st Session 1981

S.158 - 97th Congress (1981-1982): A bill to provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception.

Summary of S.158 - 97th Congress (1981-1982): A bill to provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception.

www.congress.gov

Now where is YOUR link that says otherwise, dummy?

 

[ding]

So, why don't you believe that a woman's rights should begin when her life does.

I do. I don’t agree with your religious beliefs and wonder why you seek to impose your religious beliefs on me.

How can I best prove to you that I don't have any religious views to impose on you or on anyone else?

Stop lying. Only the religiously impaired take your position.

No. That's not correct. Science tells us that a specific human life comes into existence at conception. Common sense tells us that it is wrong to end a human life especially for selfish reasons.

See? No religious argument needed at all, dummy.

See? Another religious loon (you) who holds that position. Thanks for proving my point.

So what was the religious argument I made, dummy?

Sometimes I wonder if you even graduated high school.

Science doesn't tell us when the soul enters the body. You do believe in a soul, don't you? Personally, I think the soul enters later, otherwise we'd remember being in the womb, being born...

Can you tell me what makes you... you?

What makes you different than every every person who has ever lived or will ever live?

My personality. I'm awesome!

No. That's not it. How would science identify you as a distinct individual?

You do believe in science, right?

Driver's license photo.

No, I don't believe so. Do you have a link for that?

 

[Taz]

The legal system recognizes individuals. Genetically distinct individuals are created at conception.

"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being...[this] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion, it is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence...." - Dr Jerome LeJeune, Professor of Genetics at the University of Descartes, Paris, discoverer of the chromosome pattern of Down's Syndrome, and Nobel Prize Winner, Report, Subcommittee on Separation of Powers to Senate Judiciary Committee S-158, 97th Congress, 1st Session 1981

S.158 - 97th Congress (1981-1982): A bill to provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception.

Summary of S.158 - 97th Congress (1981-1982): A bill to provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception.

www.congress.gov

Now where is YOUR link that says otherwise, dummy?

First of all, your quote by the doctor is irrelevant to a legal question, and secondly, the bill you linked to never passed!!!!!
Got anything else?

 

[G.T.]

Trump has shown some amazing things about religion in America and particularly Evangelicals when it comes to political power. You would think Trump Christ-like. But I fail to remember Christ being in favor of caging children or breaking up families. Did I miss that? Two pieces below help, it isn't about being religious, is it? What then of religion? Has it lost its holiness, its goodness.

'How the evangelical movement became Trump's "bitch" — and yes, I know what that word signifies'

'As an evangelical myself, I can see how far the movement has sunk — even to betraying its own ideal of masculinity'

How evangelicals became Trump's b**ch â in the ugliest sense

As an evangelical myself, I can see how far the movement has sunk — even to betraying its own ideal of masculinity

www.salon.com

"His most notable advice for interacting with half the human population is "grab 'em by the pussy". Who could have predicted such an alliance?"

Climate too. Why not pray away hurricanes floods and fires, poverty too while they are at it. Interesting how the mixture of politics and religion accomplishes so little good.

'Faith and politics mix to drive evangelical Christians’ climate change denial'

Faith and politics mix to drive evangelical Christians’ climate change denial

Few white evangelicals in the U.S. say they believe in human-made climate change. This strand of science denial seems to have as much to do with conservative politics as the Bible’s teachings.

theconversation.com

'Climate science denial may stem more from politics than religion'

'Social scientist Dan Kahan rejects the idea of an automatic link between religiosity and any anti-science bias. He argues that religiosity only incidentally tracks science denial because some scientific findings have become “culturally antagonistic” to some identity groups.'


"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money." Matthew 6:24

I've found over the years that many Religious folks don't act from their first Principles. That's just been my observation. Cherry-picked Biblical ethics to comport with the Day's mores...rinse/repeat. Imagine a World with Leviticus as a Lead Ethical System...it would be Bananas

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Trump has not used religion. He has allied politically with the Religious Right, as they have shared goals, and shared enemies.

Yes. Trump is a ‘pussy grabbing’ Christian and a ‘porn star screwing while wife is home nursing newborn son’ Christian. So his alliance with actual christian Christians is not in dispute - but when the pussy grabber holds up the Bible in an irreverent many in some kind of political stunt he is demeaning Christianity to the otters side of his alliance. That is unless of course that grabbing pussy is ok if you are wealthy was part of Jesus’ Sermon on the amount.

 

[BreezeWood]

What then of religion? Has it lost its holiness, its goodness.

I subscribe to no organized religion or what they called revealed religion, however I respected all who practice whatever faith they choose ir inherent from their parents.

I detest those who “use” religion for personal and or group enrichment and political gain. Trump and Jerry Falwell Jr are the most recent in the news come to mind.
Trump’s Bible holding stunt across the street from the White is the most deplorable non-criminal, putrid, dishonest and repulsive conduct we see on matters of politics and religion.,

Christianity has not list its holiness. It is my opinion that in America Christianity has been hijacked by what generally is known as White Christian Nationalists who push the false idea that America was founded as a Christian Nation.

if you want to purify your evangelical religion you need to start by refuting the white Chrisian Nationalists and the man they worship right now. Donald J Trump.

Trump has not used religion. He has allied politically with the Religious Right, as they have shared goals, and shared enemies.


That is normal and healthy politics. No one finds it odd that black churches supported Bill Clinton.


Trump holding a bible was not "using religion" but showing respect to a significant portion of the population that is Christian.


After all, the context was a church being burnt down.

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Trump holding a bible was not "using religion" but showing respect to a significant portion of the population that is Christian.

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no, trump was displaying his militancy against an unsuspecting demonstration that had nothing to do with the christian church across the street. and everything to do with a photo op holding a christian bible as the excuse for his behavior.

Holding a bible does is not a show of "militancy".

Holding a bible is nothing to the "demonstration".


HIs behavior was fine.


You string your words together as though they support your argument, (which to be fair, is more than most libs can do)


but, they actually DON'T support your argument or your conclusion.

Your claims are just false.

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Holding a bible does is not a show of "militancy".

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really ...
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take a closer look.
as for an example how to properly hold - that book
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showing warmth - compassion and a sense of duty.

Holding a book upside is not a show of "militancy".


Like I said, you structure your sentences as though you have a supporting argument. But your claims are senseless garbage that only have the FORM of a supporting arrgument.


They mostly claim shit that just isn't true.


Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you?


Trump is a secular billionaire who decided to run for the Presidency. He crafted a policy platform that appealed, primarily to an underserved voter bloc, ie working class and middle class whites.

That was completely valid. That it offends you, shows that you are likely racist.


That he gets political support from religious conservatives based on political reasons, despite not being personally religious is completely ok. Your attempt to gin that up into a scandal is frankly stupid and ignorant.

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That he gets political support from religious conservatives based on political reasons, despite not being personally religious is completely ok. Your attempt to gin that up into a scandal is frankly stupid and ignorant.

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I referred to the unsuspecting demonstrators that were militarily manhandled against their constitutional rights for a political photo-op by a narcissistic zealot.

there is nothing "completely ok" in anything you have posted.

 

[ding]

The legal system recognizes individuals. Genetically distinct individuals are created at conception.

"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being...[this] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion, it is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence...." - Dr Jerome LeJeune, Professor of Genetics at the University of Descartes, Paris, discoverer of the chromosome pattern of Down's Syndrome, and Nobel Prize Winner, Report, Subcommittee on Separation of Powers to Senate Judiciary Committee S-158, 97th Congress, 1st Session 1981

S.158 - 97th Congress (1981-1982): A bill to provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception.

Summary of S.158 - 97th Congress (1981-1982): A bill to provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception.

www.congress.gov

Now where is YOUR link that says otherwise, dummy?

First of all, your quote by the doctor is irrelevant to a legal question, and secondly, the bill you linked to never passed!!!!!
Got anything else?

I got tons.

"….it is scientifically correct to say that human life begins at conception.” Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard Medical School: Quoted by Public Affairs Council

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/matthews-roth_testimony_03_19_03.pdf

So where are your links, dummy?

 

[Taz]

The legal system recognizes individuals. Genetically distinct individuals are created at conception.

"After fertilization has taken place a new human being has come into being...[this] is no longer a matter of taste or opinion, it is not a metaphysical contention, it is plain experimental evidence...." - Dr Jerome LeJeune, Professor of Genetics at the University of Descartes, Paris, discoverer of the chromosome pattern of Down's Syndrome, and Nobel Prize Winner, Report, Subcommittee on Separation of Powers to Senate Judiciary Committee S-158, 97th Congress, 1st Session 1981

S.158 - 97th Congress (1981-1982): A bill to provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception.

Summary of S.158 - 97th Congress (1981-1982): A bill to provide that human life shall be deemed to exist from conception.

www.congress.gov

Now where is YOUR link that says otherwise, dummy?

First of all, your quote by the doctor is irrelevant to a legal question, and secondly, the bill you linked to never passed!!!!!
Got anything else?

I got tons.

"….it is scientifically correct to say that human life begins at conception.” Dr. Micheline Matthews-Roth, Harvard Medical School: Quoted by Public Affairs Council

https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/matthews-roth_testimony_03_19_03.pdf

So where are your links, dummy?

That's not a link to something legal, just to a doctor's opinion. Please try again.

 

[Correll]

See? Another religious loon (you) who holds that position. Thanks for proving my point.

You're a religious loon and idiot that holds the opposite position which is wrong. Abortion is genocide and legal killing. Here is where black lives matter which makes you hypocritical asf.

I'm not religious, where did you get that? But speaking in those kinds of terms so that you may understand my position, I don't think that the soul enters the body at conception, nor hangs around the womb. That comes into play when born, maybe a little later. Otherwise people would remember being in the womb...

Do you remember being born?

 

[Correll]

Trump has not used religion. He has allied politically with the Religious Right, as they have shared goals, and shared enemies.

Yes. Trump is a ‘pussy grabbing’ Christian and a ‘porn star screwing while wife is home nursing newborn son’ Christian. So his alliance with actual christian Christians is not in dispute - but when the pussy grabber holds up the Bible in an irreverent many in some kind of political stunt he is demeaning Christianity to the otters side of his alliance. That is unless of course that grabbing pussy is ok if you are wealthy was part of Jesus’ Sermon on the amount.

Your mudslinging is noted and dismissed...

EXCEPT to point out, that "grabbing a pussy" ie consensual sexual activity, is not inherently anti-Christian.


So, that is just you spewing shit,


WHEN YOU HAVE ALREADY ADMITTED THAT YOU AGREE WITH ME, AND DISAGREE WITH THE OP ON THE TOPIC.



But, you still have to attack Trump, on other off topic issues, because ORANGE MAN BAD.


You are pathetic.

 

[james bond]

I'm not religious, where did you get that? But speaking in those kinds of terms so that you may understand my position, I don't think that the soul enters the body at conception, nor hangs around the womb. That comes into play when born, maybe a little later. Otherwise people would remember being in the womb...

>>I'm not religious, where did you get that?<<

You are in the R&E forum and you've been a participant here for a long time. You have the religion of atheism. You have faith in no God/gods. You are plenty religious.

The other thing that irritates me is that you discuss things such as soul and are mistaken. A spirit is formed during conception -- What Does the Bible Say About When Life Begins?. Life begins at conception because you are in the womb. A spirit doesn't enter the egg. That only happened at the creation of Adam. God breathed life into Adam. The spirit is what is supernatural. Nature cannot create it.

As to your position, you take so many and have so many opinions that it's hard to keep track, i.e. your faith isn't strong nor convincing. I don't even want to get into discuss remembering being in the womb or as an infant. What's important is being born again.

 

[Correll]

What then of religion? Has it lost its holiness, its goodness.

I subscribe to no organized religion or what they called revealed religion, however I respected all who practice whatever faith they choose ir inherent from their parents.

I detest those who “use” religion for personal and or group enrichment and political gain. Trump and Jerry Falwell Jr are the most recent in the news come to mind.
Trump’s Bible holding stunt across the street from the White is the most deplorable non-criminal, putrid, dishonest and repulsive conduct we see on matters of politics and religion.,

Christianity has not list its holiness. It is my opinion that in America Christianity has been hijacked by what generally is known as White Christian Nationalists who push the false idea that America was founded as a Christian Nation.

if you want to purify your evangelical religion you need to start by refuting the white Chrisian Nationalists and the man they worship right now. Donald J Trump.

Trump has not used religion. He has allied politically with the Religious Right, as they have shared goals, and shared enemies.


That is normal and healthy politics. No one finds it odd that black churches supported Bill Clinton.


Trump holding a bible was not "using religion" but showing respect to a significant portion of the population that is Christian.


After all, the context was a church being burnt down.

.

Trump holding a bible was not "using religion" but showing respect to a significant portion of the population that is Christian.

.
no, trump was displaying his militancy against an unsuspecting demonstration that had nothing to do with the christian church across the street. and everything to do with a photo op holding a christian bible as the excuse for his behavior.

Holding a bible does is not a show of "militancy".

Holding a bible is nothing to the "demonstration".


HIs behavior was fine.


You string your words together as though they support your argument, (which to be fair, is more than most libs can do)


but, they actually DON'T support your argument or your conclusion.

Your claims are just false.

.

Holding a bible does is not a show of "militancy".

.
really ...
.
View attachment 390918
.
take a closer look.
as for an example how to properly hold - that book
.
View attachment 390919
.
showing warmth - compassion and a sense of duty.

Holding a book upside is not a show of "militancy".


Like I said, you structure your sentences as though you have a supporting argument. But your claims are senseless garbage that only have the FORM of a supporting arrgument.


They mostly claim shit that just isn't true.


Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you?


Trump is a secular billionaire who decided to run for the Presidency. He crafted a policy platform that appealed, primarily to an underserved voter bloc, ie working class and middle class whites.

That was completely valid. That it offends you, shows that you are likely racist.


That he gets political support from religious conservatives based on political reasons, despite not being personally religious is completely ok. Your attempt to gin that up into a scandal is frankly stupid and ignorant.

.

That he gets political support from religious conservatives based on political reasons, despite not being personally religious is completely ok. Your attempt to gin that up into a scandal is frankly stupid and ignorant.

.
I referred to the unsuspecting demonstrators that were militarily manhandled against their constitutional rights for a political photo-op by a narcissistic zealot.

there is nothing "completely ok" in anything you have posted.

Clearing the streets of a protest, especially in the context of widespread civil unrest to the point that words like "insurrection" and "sedition" are being used, seriously,


is also not a sign of "militancy", but simply being tired of your sides shit.


YOu do realize that as you escalate, the other side will at least match your escalations, if not escalate themselves, right?

I mean, seriously, you've started a war, and now you are whining that the other side is fighting back....


what kind of man are you?

 

[james bond]

I've found over the years that many Religious folks don't act from their first Principles. That's just been my observation. Cherry-picked Biblical ethics to comport with the Day's mores...rinse/repeat. Imagine a World with Leviticus as a Lead Ethical System...it would be Bananas

This is typical of every religious forums I've been to (3). Second, religious folks include atheists. It takes faith for what they believe. As for principles, people violate them all the time. All you are doing is spouting generalizations.