Evangelicals and Trump

[Correll]

What then of religion? Has it lost its holiness, its goodness.

I subscribe to no organized religion or what they called revealed religion, however I respected all who practice whatever faith they choose ir inherent from their parents.

I detest those who “use” religion for personal and or group enrichment and political gain. Trump and Jerry Falwell Jr are the most recent in the news come to mind.
Trump’s Bible holding stunt across the street from the White is the most deplorable non-criminal, putrid, dishonest and repulsive conduct we see on matters of politics and religion.,

Christianity has not list its holiness. It is my opinion that in America Christianity has been hijacked by what generally is known as White Christian Nationalists who push the false idea that America was founded as a Christian Nation.

if you want to purify your evangelical religion you need to start by refuting the white Chrisian Nationalists and the man they worship right now. Donald J Trump.

Trump has not used religion. He has allied politically with the Religious Right, as they have shared goals, and shared enemies.


That is normal and healthy politics. No one finds it odd that black churches supported Bill Clinton.


Trump holding a bible was not "using religion" but showing respect to a significant portion of the population that is Christian.


After all, the context was a church being burnt down.

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Trump holding a bible was not "using religion" but showing respect to a significant portion of the population that is Christian.

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no, trump was displaying his militancy against an unsuspecting demonstration that had nothing to do with the christian church across the street. and everything to do with a photo op holding a christian bible as the excuse for his behavior.

Holding a bible does is not a show of "militancy".

Holding a bible is nothing to the "demonstration".


HIs behavior was fine.


You string your words together as though they support your argument, (which to be fair, is more than most libs can do)


but, they actually DON'T support your argument or your conclusion.

Your claims are just false.

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Holding a bible does is not a show of "militancy".

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take a closer look.
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showing warmth - compassion and a sense of duty.

Holding a book upside is not a show of "militancy".


Like I said, you structure your sentences as though you have a supporting argument. But your claims are senseless garbage that only have the FORM of a supporting arrgument.


They mostly claim shit that just isn't true.


Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you?


Trump is a secular billionaire who decided to run for the Presidency. He crafted a policy platform that appealed, primarily to an underserved voter bloc, ie working class and middle class whites.

That was completely valid. That it offends you, shows that you are likely racist.


That he gets political support from religious conservatives based on political reasons, despite not being personally religious is completely ok. Your attempt to gin that up into a scandal is frankly stupid and ignorant.

 

[Correll]

Trump holding a bible was not "using religion" but showing respect to a significant portion of the population that is Christian.

Explain exactly how holding up a Bible in any way shows respect to a significant portion of the population that is Christian.

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He held the bible up, when the press asked him about it.

It shows a embrace of Christian themes and symbols after a Christian Church was burnt down by a leftist mob that he was speaking on.


That is showing respect to American Christians.

 

[Correll]

Trump has not used religion. He has allied politically with the Religious Right, as they have shared goals, and shared enemies.

I fully understand that non-Relgious Trump is allied with a large Christian religious political force and that’s fine as far a politics goes, but when the non/religious quite unChristuan Behaving Trump holds up the sacred Holy BIBLE after ordering chemical agents used to disperse peaceful protesters it’s a crass political stunt that truly religious people would be appalled and ashamed to be associated with him.

The stated point of this thread, is that it is wrong of Christians to support non religious TRump. That is the general topic of discussion.


If you don't have a problem with that then, you should be arguing my side of this debate against the OP, instead of searching for other reasons to attack Trump.


Your other off topic complaints, are off topic. I would be happy to address them, and have many times, but this thread is about something else.


We are in agreement that it is completely fine that a religious group, would give political support to a non religious President.

 

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So, why don't you believe that a woman's rights should begin when her life does.

I do. I don’t agree with your religious beliefs and wonder why you seek to impose your religious beliefs on me.

How can I best prove to you that I don't have any religious views to impose on you or on anyone else?

Stop lying. Only the religiously impaired take your position.

No. That's not correct. Science tells us that a specific human life comes into existence at conception. Common sense tells us that it is wrong to end a human life especially for selfish reasons.

See? No religious argument needed at all, dummy.

 

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How can I best prove to you that I don't have any religious views to impose on you or on anyone else?

Retract this statement/ loaded question immediately:

So, why don't you believe that a woman's rights should begin when her life does.

I believe that a woman’s rights begin when her life begins. How dare you suggest that I believe it does not.

Your problem is that you deny science.

 

[Correll]

The op is retarded. Obama was a member of a racist and anti-American church for twenty years

Above we have a White Christian Nationalist calling a church founded by a black veteran of the United States Marine Corps racist and anti-American.

when you have a white racist calling a black church racist and a white American who holds a racist and distorted view of the founding of America calling an US Marine’s church anti-American I’m suggesting that this poster’s opinion be dismissed for what it is - poppycock.

The OP’s subject is worthy of further discussion and we can discuss why White Christian Nationalists are afraid to discuss it.

1. I am White and that you say that like it is a bad thing, is you being a racist asshole.

2. I am not a religious person myself, though I would describe myself as Cultural Christian. YOu are an anti-Christian bigot.

3. The former service of Wright does not give him a pass for his racism, marxism or anti-Americanism. That you pretend it does is you being a dishonest asshole.

4. My opinion of Wright's "church" is supported by Wright's own racist and anti-American words, and his admission that his church was Black Liberation Theology. YOu are a lying asshole.

5. You have admitted that you have no problem with a right leaning religious group, giving support to a non-religious right leaning political leader. So, why are you support an OP that you disagree with? Rhetorical question. The answer is because you are a partisan hack. And an asshole. Did I mention that?

6. Fuck you for calling me wacist.

 

[Taz]

So, why don't you believe that a woman's rights should begin when her life does.

I do. I don’t agree with your religious beliefs and wonder why you seek to impose your religious beliefs on me.

How can I best prove to you that I don't have any religious views to impose on you or on anyone else?

Stop lying. Only the religiously impaired take your position.

No. That's not correct. Science tells us that a specific human life comes into existence at conception. Common sense tells us that it is wrong to end a human life especially for selfish reasons.

See? No religious argument needed at all, dummy.

See? Another religious loon (you) who holds that position. Thanks for proving my point.

 

[Correll]

It's good to see comments and positions but abortion is a personal choice and...

That is the Logical Fallacy of the False Premise.


You lose.

 

[Correll]

I agree with Sen. Goldwater here. The Religious Left, through characters like Jim Wallis and Lou Farrakhan have tried to impose their religious ideals into the government and condemned those who refuse it as "satanic" or "homophobic" if they don't like Gay Marriage.

You just described an Evangelical and a person who is an extreme NOI and you know the SPLC described them as a hate group. Obama even dismissed him.

Farrakhan praised Republican candidate Donald Trump as the only candidate "who has stood in front of the Jewish community and said 'I don’t want your money.'"

Louis Farrakhan - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Obama was one of Farrakhan's chief lieutenants in putting together the Million Man March. O never condemned Calypso Louis when he was an office holder in the failed city of Chicago

Farrakhan, 82, has led the Nation of Islam since 1977.

Thousands gather in Washington on anniversary of Million Man March

Thousands of people gathered in front of the U.S. Capitol on Saturday for a rally led by Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan to commemorate the 20th anniversary of the Million Man March on Washington and decry racial and economic injustice.

www.reuters.com

And Obama was never one of Farrakhan generals. But Farrankhan loves tramp.

anyway this is about Politics and Evangelicals.

Wright was an admitted Black liberation theology pastor. That is marxism pretending to be faith, with anti-white racism as a topping.


Obama loved that message so much, he "converted" for it.

I don't know who wright was, can you tell me about him??

Obama' pastor and "spiritual advisor" and political ally for like twenty years. Leader of the Church that Obama took his daughter too.

Oh that has been. Obama denounced him.

After he got caught, and even then, not until his defense of the guy did not fly.

but but but i thought obama was a moooooooooooslim.
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His words, "converted", implying he was something else, ie NOT A CHRISTIAN, until he found this "christian" church that was full of marxism and anti-white racism.


What part of that is confusing to you?

can you give a non biased link that states in his own words about conversion?

I read it in an excerpt from his autobiography. Links you would consider non biased, would not carry that information, for obvious reasons.

well since i can't find it myself - & you won't provide it - & i seriously doubt you have read anything written by obama - & it's an EXTREMELY RARE occurrence that i post anything from a 'biased' source, unless it's been confirmed by several media outlets & the source itself is rated high for factual reporting - i will give your assertion the CONsideration it deserves.

now.... putting that aside there is THIS which trumps ( yes i said trumps ) anything else rw nutters have to say about religion & the presidency:

article 6, section 3 of the constitution of the united states:

The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

1. His words. He "converted" to Wrigth's church. The implication is obvious. He was of some other faith, or religious belief before BLT.

2. I never said that he should be barred from serving because of his Muslim background or his Atheism. But I think it is relevant to what kind of person he is, that he lived such a lie for so long and lied to the American people about who he is, AND that he found a marxist and racist church to be attractive.

3. It is also relevant that you lefties gave him a pass for all of that. YOu do not mind marxism or racism. Or blatant and overt Anti-Americanism.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ^' But I think it is relevant to what kind of person he is, that he lived such a lie for so long and lied to the American people about who he is...'

what hypocritical pablum.

donny - a 3x married adulterer who has defrauded people outa their hard earned life savings for a 'university' ...

ripped off charities by using his foundation as his personal piggy bank ...

been accused by over 20 women of sexual assault ...

bragged about sexually assaulting women ...

hung with jeffery epstein for years ...

never said a word of empathy to epstein's victims, but wished his personal whore/ procurer 'well' ...

lol.

Trump's failed marriages were a valid political issue and legitimately used against him by his enemies. As was his sometimes shady businesses.


Obama got a pass on far worse shit, ie being a member of a marxist and racist and anti-American organization for twenty years.


What part of this is confusing to you?

i'm not confused that you're full of poo.

what exactly has obama said/done that is marxist or racist?

& you claim donny isn't?


LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Obama said that he found the message of a marxist and racist and anti-American organization incredibly attractive and he joined it, and remained a member for twenty years.


Right there, that is plenty, but I can give you more if you want.


As to President Trump? NO, he is not marxist, racist or anti-American.

liar liar CB's pants are on fuego.

Funny, you could have challenged me to back up my claim that I could give more. But you choose to post retarded gibberish instead....


We both know why.

Hell, we ALL know why, as anyone reading this, knows too.


YOu lefties elected an anti-American, racist marxist to the Presidency. Twice. None of those factors, each one of which should have been a deal breaker by themselves, let alone combined,


none of them were a problem for you, at all.


Hell, they might have been pluses for you.

yes we BOTH know why - - - you're lying.

i thought i cleared that up for you. please list all the reasons why YOU believe obama is a marxist & racist.

you won't & everyone here knows why.

All the reasons? WHy? You haven't addressed my first. Here is what we will do. I will list them, one at a time and each time you fail to seriously challenge one point, I will add another, in no particular order.

1. His twenty year membership in a marxist, racist, anti-American organization.

2. His support of various "affirmative action" policies and laws that are clear anti-white discrimination.

1) what exactly has obama DONE ... thru his OWN ACTIONS that is marxist & racist?

YOU failed to provide what HE has done. that is a fact.

2) what AA policies? you haven't given CONcrete examples, & is your opinion. opinion is subjective.

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Every growing list of proofs that Obama is a racist. (since you have failed to address my previous list)


1. His twenty year membership in a marxist, racist, anti-American organization.

2. His support of various "affirmative action" policies and laws that are clear anti-white discrimination.

3. The way he sided with the professor breaking into his own house, against the white cop.

lol ... so you got nothing. ya, what he said was stupid - doesn't prove that he is racist. sooooooooo......... that's all you got, 'eh?

oh please .... you still got nothin'.

Every growing list of proofs that Obama is a racist. (since you have failed to address my previous list)


1. His twenty year membership in a marxist, racist, anti-American organization.

2. His support of various "affirmative action" policies and laws that are clear anti-white discrimination.

3. The way he sided with the professor breaking into his own house, against the white cop.

4, The way he falsely accused McCain's campaign of being wacist.

you remind me of yer chosen one.... repeat something enough & you start to believe your own shit.

i want concrete links - unbiased of course to back up yer stuff that actually PROVES that he is racist.

like donny's lawsuit against him & daddy drumpf for racism.

btw - obama is 1/2 white & his kids have caucasion blood running thru their veins. guess he must hate the whitey part of himself & them.

Your quibbling is noted and dismissed, if you give a real challenge to any of more points, I will address it. Until them, the list grows.

Every growing list of proofs that Obama is a racist. (since you have failed to address my previous list)


1. His twenty year membership in a marxist, racist, anti-American organization.

2. His support of various "affirmative action" policies and laws that are clear anti-white discrimination.

3. The way he sided with the professor breaking into his own house, against the white cop.

4, The way he falsely accused McCain's campaign of being wacist.

5. The way he said the the thug Treyvon Martin would look like his hypothetical son, siding with the criminal based on race vs the hispanic would be victim.

still no links. & that you deny donny's racism thru concrete evidence.

you're dismissed, trump humper.

You have already made it clear that you would dismiss any links I use. And asking for links for shit you already know about, is just a standard lefty troll tactic.



Every growing list of proofs that Obama is a racist. (since you have failed to address my previous list)


1. His twenty year membership in a marxist, racist, anti-American organization.

2. His support of various "affirmative action" policies and laws that are clear anti-white discrimination.

3. The way he sided with the professor breaking into his own house, against the white cop.

4, The way he falsely accused McCain's campaign of being wacist.

5. The way he said the the thug Treyvon Martin would look like his hypothetical son, siding with the criminal based on race vs the hispanic would be victim.

6, By never calling out his supporters who constantly smeared any criticism of him by white opponents as wacism.

 

[Correll]

What then of religion? Has it lost its holiness, its goodness.

I subscribe to no organized religion or what they called revealed religion, however I respected all who practice whatever faith they choose ir inherent from their parents.

I detest those who “use” religion for personal and or group enrichment and political gain. Trump and Jerry Falwell Jr are the most recent in the news come to mind.
Trump’s Bible holding stunt across the street from the White is the most deplorable non-criminal, putrid, dishonest and repulsive conduct we see on matters of politics and religion.,

Christianity has not list its holiness. It is my opinion that in America Christianity has been hijacked by what generally is known as White Christian Nationalists who push the false idea that America was founded as a Christian Nation.

if you want to purify your evangelical religion you need to start by refuting the white Chrisian Nationalists and the man they worship right now. Donald J Trump.

Trump has not used religion. He has allied politically with the Religious Right, as they have shared goals, and shared enemies.


That is normal and healthy politics. No one finds it odd that black churches supported Bill Clinton.


Trump holding a bible was not "using religion" but showing respect to a significant portion of the population that is Christian.


After all, the context was a church being burnt down.

did 2 corinthians tell you that?

No one or anything "told" me that.

My argument stands on it's own merits, or falls based on their lack.

You disagree, obviously, but were unable to even try to address my argument.


Because you know you cannot.


My point stands and you lose.


Here it is again, so that your tactic of burying a point you can't touch, under random idiocy, does not work.


Trump has not used religion. He has allied politically with the Religious Right, as they have shared goals, and shared enemies.


That is normal and healthy politics. No one finds it odd that black churches supported Bill Clinton.


Trump holding a bible was not "using religion" but showing respect to a significant portion of the population that is Christian.


After all, the context was a church being burnt down.

 

[james bond]

See? Another religious loon (you) who holds that position. Thanks for proving my point.

You're a religious loon and idiot that holds the opposite position which is wrong. Abortion is genocide and legal killing. Here is where black lives matter which makes you hypocritical asf.

 

[Chuz Life]

How can I best prove to you that I don't have any religious views to impose on you or on anyone else?

Retract this statement/ loaded question immediately:

No.

Fuck you very much.

You are the one accusing people who oppose abortions of forcing their religious agenda. I'm asking for what you require as proof of the contrary; Because I, for one, do not give a flying fuck about ANY of the religious aspects or arguments around the issue of abortion. If you take the time to do a search for "Atheists Against Abortions" you will find others who fall into that category as well.

So, why don't you believe that a woman's rights should begin when her life does.

I believe that a woman’s rights begin when her life begins. How dare you suggest that I believe it does not.

I call.

When does a woman's life begin, then?

Be secure enough in your answer to provide the scientific evidence to support your claim.

 

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So, why don't you believe that a woman's rights should begin when her life does.

I do. I don’t agree with your religious beliefs and wonder why you seek to impose your religious beliefs on me.

How can I best prove to you that I don't have any religious views to impose on you or on anyone else?

Stop lying. Only the religiously impaired take your position.

No. That's not correct. Science tells us that a specific human life comes into existence at conception. Common sense tells us that it is wrong to end a human life especially for selfish reasons.

See? No religious argument needed at all, dummy.

See? Another religious loon (you) who holds that position. Thanks for proving my point.

So what was the religious argument I made, dummy?

Sometimes I wonder if you even graduated high school.

 

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So, why don't you believe that a woman's rights should begin when her life does.

I do. I don’t agree with your religious beliefs and wonder why you seek to impose your religious beliefs on me.

How can I best prove to you that I don't have any religious views to impose on you or on anyone else?

Stop lying. Only the religiously impaired take your position.

No. That's not correct. Science tells us that a specific human life comes into existence at conception. Common sense tells us that it is wrong to end a human life especially for selfish reasons.

See? No religious argument needed at all, dummy.

See? Another religious loon (you) who holds that position. Thanks for proving my point.

Why do you keep denying science?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

When does a woman's life begin, then?

Exactly when her individual rights begin as recognized in the US Constitution.

 

[Taz]

See? Another religious loon (you) who holds that position. Thanks for proving my point.

You're a religious loon and idiot that holds the opposite position which is wrong. Abortion is genocide and legal killing. Here is where black lives matter which makes you hypocritical asf.

I'm not religious, where did you get that? But speaking in those kinds of terms so that you may understand my position, I don't think that the soul enters the body at conception, nor hangs around the womb. That comes into play when born, maybe a little later. Otherwise people would remember being in the womb...

 

[Taz]

So, why don't you believe that a woman's rights should begin when her life does.

I do. I don’t agree with your religious beliefs and wonder why you seek to impose your religious beliefs on me.

How can I best prove to you that I don't have any religious views to impose on you or on anyone else?

Stop lying. Only the religiously impaired take your position.

No. That's not correct. Science tells us that a specific human life comes into existence at conception. Common sense tells us that it is wrong to end a human life especially for selfish reasons.

See? No religious argument needed at all, dummy.

See? Another religious loon (you) who holds that position. Thanks for proving my point.

So what was the religious argument I made, dummy?

Sometimes I wonder if you even graduated high school.

Science doesn't tell us when the soul enters the body. You do believe in a soul, don't you? Personally, I think the soul enters later, otherwise we'd remember being in the womb, being born...

 

[ding]

When does a woman's life begin, then?

Exactly when her individual rights begin as recognized in the US Constitution.

The DOI recognizes the pursuit of life. When does that begin for specific individuals?

 

[ding]

So, why don't you believe that a woman's rights should begin when her life does.

I do. I don’t agree with your religious beliefs and wonder why you seek to impose your religious beliefs on me.

How can I best prove to you that I don't have any religious views to impose on you or on anyone else?

Stop lying. Only the religiously impaired take your position.

No. That's not correct. Science tells us that a specific human life comes into existence at conception. Common sense tells us that it is wrong to end a human life especially for selfish reasons.

See? No religious argument needed at all, dummy.

See? Another religious loon (you) who holds that position. Thanks for proving my point.

So what was the religious argument I made, dummy?

Sometimes I wonder if you even graduated high school.

Science doesn't tell us when the soul enters the body. You do believe in a soul, don't you? Personally, I think the soul enters later, otherwise we'd remember being in the womb, being born...

I never mentioned a soul, dummy. Forget the soul, dummy. When does life begin, dummy?

 

[Taz]

So, why don't you believe that a woman's rights should begin when her life does.

I do. I don’t agree with your religious beliefs and wonder why you seek to impose your religious beliefs on me.

How can I best prove to you that I don't have any religious views to impose on you or on anyone else?

Stop lying. Only the religiously impaired take your position.

No. That's not correct. Science tells us that a specific human life comes into existence at conception. Common sense tells us that it is wrong to end a human life especially for selfish reasons.

See? No religious argument needed at all, dummy.

See? Another religious loon (you) who holds that position. Thanks for proving my point.

So what was the religious argument I made, dummy?

Sometimes I wonder if you even graduated high school.

Science doesn't tell us when the soul enters the body. You do believe in a soul, don't you? Personally, I think the soul enters later, otherwise we'd remember being in the womb, being born...

I never mentioned a soul, dummy. Forget the soul, dummy. When does life begin, dummy?

In that case, when you're born. Isn't that what the law says as well?