CDZ EV question

[WinterBorn]

Yep, all because of the engine itself. The engine cools itself and charges the battery.

And?

 

[jc456]

And?

Self charging and self cooling

 

[Captain Caveman]

Because regenerative charging will not charge a battery to 100%. Over time, the battery will completely deplete. No such thing as perpetual motion.

Before the battery is depleted, regenerative braking will add up to 10% range, so that's nearly an extra lap around the block!

 

[WinterBorn]

Self charging and self cooling

The charging and the cooling comes from the energy expended by the internal combustion. Without the serpentine belt using some of the energy, the ICE would have more energy to power the wheels. In other words, your fuel economy goes down slightly from powering the water pump and the alternator.

 

[jc456]

The charging and the cooling comes from the energy expended by the internal combustion. Without the serpentine belt using some of the energy, the ICE would have more energy to power the wheels. In other words, your fuel economy goes down slightly from powering the water pump and the alternator.

Same as can be done with a battery power right? How else do you suppose an EV car moves?

 

[WinterBorn]

Same as can be done with a battery power right? How else do you suppose an EV car moves?

Yes, I know that the electric power stored in the batteries powers the car. And the regenerative braking provides a small amount of electricity back to the batteries. But it is not enough to negate the need to recharge the batteries. All vehicles will always need an outside source of energy to be useful.

 

[jc456]

Yes, I know that the electric power stored in the batteries powers the car. And the regenerative braking provides a small amount of electricity back to the batteries. But it is not enough to negate the need to recharge the batteries. All vehicles will always need an outside source of energy to be useful.

No one claimed it would charge to 100% just a way to get more miles between charging

 

[WinterBorn]

No one claimed it would charge to 100% just a way to get more miles between charging

And the regenrative braking system does that.

 

[jc456]

And the regenrative braking system does that.

Again, the op was asking if there was more that can be done. Why are you against that?

 

[WinterBorn]

Again, the op was asking if there was more that can be done. Why are you against that?

Why do you think I am against it? For the record, I am not.

 

[beagle9]

Something needs to supply power to turn the alternator. In an ICE engine, it's the engine's wasted energy. In an EV, it has to come from the batteries you are trying to charge.

The possible wheel generators or wheel magneto set up would supply the charge needed to recharge the secondary system/batteries while the primary continues to power the vehicle forward.

Once again, no such thing as perpetual motion. Leave aside whether it's advisable to propel the car using a single wheel, Those other wheels are hooked up to an alternator like device. Spinning the alternator takes energy, it introduces additional friction on those wheels. nobody is saying it can't be done. Every EV out there uses that principle to put some energy back in the system when braking or coasting. what we are arguing is that the amount of energy is nowhere near sufficient to keep the battery charged.

Not keep the primaries charged as they are being used, but instead what I am referring to is the charging system keeping the secondaries charged up until primaries get low in charge, and therefore the secondaries are switched over too making the primaries the secondaries in which are now being charged by the free wheel generator system that does just that.

 

[beagle9]

And that would provide resistance against the axle, which would lower the amount of energy getting to the wheels.

True it lowers the energy output by creating a small amount of drag upon it maybe, but through a "gear reduction/conversion system" or system that converts that drag into making re-charging power easily, otherwise after the converting of said drag into very minimal to barely any drag at all, it can be achieved..

The pull on the system when charging (as the vehicle is being powered by the primary batteries), doesn't effect that power in the slightest bit (not in any significant way), because it is only being used to make power through the charging wheels that charge the secondary batteries that are awaiting to be switched over to the primary batteries with a switching system once that time arrives.

 

[beagle9]

In order to spin the pulley, and thereby the belt, energy is used that would ordinarily be used to power the wheels.

Every function by the pulley and belts pulls energy off of the system designed to power the wheels.

There is a net loss of energy.

Always a net loss when powering something else sure, but controlling that loss can be done, and therefore the charging of the secondary batteries awaiting their role to take over the primary position shouldn't come at such a loss that the system would suffer so much that it would over take the primary while charging the secondaries, otherwise rendering it useless in the productive powering process that is needed to power and move the vehicle in a forward momentum enough to spin the two front non-powered wheels in which is to be used for creating the slow charge needed to keep a secondary set of batteries peaked and ready to be switched over too.

 

[beagle9]

Before the battery is depleted, regenerative braking will add up to 10% range, so that's nearly an extra lap around the block!

Braking, coasting down hills, gear reduction to lesson drag on the power output by converting drag into energy for the regenerating process etc, otherwise regeneration can be endless once the proper formula's are engineered, and the ratios are figured out in order to make it all work together.

 

[beagle9]

And the regenrative braking system does that.

Undoubtedly not in a significant way or charging stations wouldn't be considered in the idea all over the country now. We need an EV yes, but we need one that has an on board self regenerating power source, otherwise that while the primary propels the vehicle forward, it has an on board system that is charging the secondaries in which are awaiting to join the fight as soon as they are switched over too.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Braking, coasting down hills, gear reduction to lesson drag on the power output by converting drag into energy for the regenerating process etc, otherwise regeneration can be endless once the proper formula's are engineered, and the ratios are figured out in order to make it all work together.

That's been going on for decades, people who slow to accelerate, coast to a stop, coast down hill etc.. are called milaegers.

As a kid, I remember my granda knocking his car engine off on every hill. There were fewer cars 40 to 45 years ago. So fuel consumption on an ICE car can reduced by being a milaeger.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

I want to ask this, and please give the best answer you all can bring within your abilities to think inside or outside the box.

Question - Why can't an EV be self charging if it only needs one drive wheel turning for the power, and yet there are three other wheels turning, where as couldn't at least one of them be hooked up to a charging mechanism in order to automatically charge the batteries ??? Even if the power is switched to the spare set while the mains recharge in a loop that is constantly managed and monitored by the on board computer, would it work ?????

This has got to be possible now, but is it being withheld due to the sudden and devastating impact it might have on the volume of oil used, and the job's committed to the fossil fuel industry that involve the transportation category ?????

You cannot extract more energy out of a device than you put into it. A fundamental law of physics.

You're describing a perpetual motion machine, and that is an impossibility

 

[beagle9]

You cannot extract more energy out of a device than you put into it. A fundamental law of physics.

You're describing a perpetual motion machine, and that is an impossibility

Please be real careful to read and understand the topic before posting.. Thanks.

No one is talking about perpetual motion, because yes you are right that you can't start anything that will keep going infinitely be it in human or man made ability in which to cause that.

However, that is not what we are talking about at all. We are merely talking about using motion that is being created by a power source in one drive wheel, that has an added bonus of creating motion that is not depended upon the power source in another wheel in order to move the vehicle and it be charging at the same time... It is actually a side effect that has added benefit's based off of the motion of the vehicle to be found on the other spinning wheels not powering the vehicle.

Let's say we have a river flow, and the result of that powerful flowing allows us to tap into the flow with a water wheel that will spin an electric generator that is hooked up to a transformer in which converts the charge into an amount in which is right within the range that is needed......Now the water wheel doesn't rob the flow so greatly that it actually becomes a threat to the flow, because the river is powerful enough to overcome the robbery of the power needed to turn the wheel. So what is needed is powerful batteries that power the electric motor as the primary source of power. This power is great enough that it can power the vehicle, and also run other accessories that are needed to complete the vehicle's abilities and service to it's owner/operator.

A charging system should be created for the secondary batteries to be charged, and this while the vehicle is in forward and braking motion in which can charge the secondaries for a switch over once the primaries are below a certain level.

 

[jc456]

And the water pump to keep the fluids moving to cool the engine. Are you trolling or do you really don't know what goes on in the engine bay?

Yep it does, it’s why it is self cooling and self charging. Already said it. Doesn’t matter what spins the rod, gas or electric the same behavior would follow.

 

[jc456]

You cannot extract more energy out of a device than you put into it. A fundamental law of physics.

You're describing a perpetual motion machine, and that is an impossibility

But one energy source can create its own energy. ICE vehicles do that. Energy to charge the battery through the alternator, and moving water to cool the engine, from one energy source.

also to use the lights and radio