EU & Russia win-win?

[Maggdy]

"The Russian embargo has caused some 4.5 billion US Dollars in damage to the Hungarian economy; this is the estimated value of lost exports.

The EU wishes to solve the crisis in Eastern Ukraine via political instruments and sanctions against Russia were introduced as the most important element of such a political solution in the summer of 2014, the Ministerial Commissioner reminded the press. In reaction, Russia also ordered sanctions against the member states of the European Union in August 2014....

On 2 September of last year, the EU extended the period of sanctions until 31 January, then again until 31 July of this year. In reply, Russian President Valdimir Putin extended the Russian embargo until 5 August 2016. It is clear, however, that the measures introduced as a result of the crisis in Ukraine have not had the desired and expected effect, while conversely, those EU member states with significant agricultural exports to Russia have suffered greatly from the sanctions. For this reason, the political and economic leaders of such countries are searching for possible cracks in the embargo policy to reduce their losses."

Source: Website of the Hungarian Goverment
In English : The Russian embargo has caused 4.5 billion dollars in damage to the Hungarian economy

 

[montelatici]

"The Russian embargo has caused some 4.5 billion US Dollars in damage to the Hungarian economy; this is the estimated value of lost exports.

The EU wishes to solve the crisis in Eastern Ukraine via political instruments and sanctions against Russia were introduced as the most important element of such a political solution in the summer of 2014, the Ministerial Commissioner reminded the press. In reaction, Russia also ordered sanctions against the member states of the European Union in August 2014....

On 2 September of last year, the EU extended the period of sanctions until 31 January, then again until 31 July of this year. In reply, Russian President Valdimir Putin extended the Russian embargo until 5 August 2016. It is clear, however, that the measures introduced as a result of the crisis in Ukraine have not had the desired and expected effect, while conversely, those EU member states with significant agricultural exports to Russia have suffered greatly from the sanctions. For this reason, the political and economic leaders of such countries are searching for possible cracks in the embargo policy to reduce their losses."

Source: Website of the Hungarian Goverment
In English : The Russian embargo has caused 4.5 billion dollars in damage to the Hungarian economy

The economic weakening of Europe and Russia must suit someone.

 

[Andylusion]

"The Russian embargo has caused some 4.5 billion US Dollars in damage to the Hungarian economy; this is the estimated value of lost exports.

The EU wishes to solve the crisis in Eastern Ukraine via political instruments and sanctions against Russia were introduced as the most important element of such a political solution in the summer of 2014, the Ministerial Commissioner reminded the press. In reaction, Russia also ordered sanctions against the member states of the European Union in August 2014....

On 2 September of last year, the EU extended the period of sanctions until 31 January, then again until 31 July of this year. In reply, Russian President Valdimir Putin extended the Russian embargo until 5 August 2016. It is clear, however, that the measures introduced as a result of the crisis in Ukraine have not had the desired and expected effect, while conversely, those EU member states with significant agricultural exports to Russia have suffered greatly from the sanctions. For this reason, the political and economic leaders of such countries are searching for possible cracks in the embargo policy to reduce their losses."

Source: Website of the Hungarian Goverment
In English : The Russian embargo has caused 4.5 billion dollars in damage to the Hungarian economy

The real lesson that needs to be learned from this, is hello...... Protectionism doesn't work. Protectionism harms everyone.

It's funny because here in the US, we have this exact belief system being proposed as a solution to the US economy "We'll keep jobs in the US, by keeping out those imports"...

Well?? By your logic, the protectionism against Russian imports into the EU, should have caused a massive growth in the EU economy! Hungary should have massive employment, as millions of products formerly imported from Russia, have to be made domestically. The economy should be booming from growth of manufactured goods, and the EU should be seeing a huge rise in production and GDP.

Is that what we are seeing? No? Then why is it, we think that's going to work here?

 

[gipper]

"The Russian embargo has caused some 4.5 billion US Dollars in damage to the Hungarian economy; this is the estimated value of lost exports.

The EU wishes to solve the crisis in Eastern Ukraine via political instruments and sanctions against Russia were introduced as the most important element of such a political solution in the summer of 2014, the Ministerial Commissioner reminded the press. In reaction, Russia also ordered sanctions against the member states of the European Union in August 2014....

On 2 September of last year, the EU extended the period of sanctions until 31 January, then again until 31 July of this year. In reply, Russian President Valdimir Putin extended the Russian embargo until 5 August 2016. It is clear, however, that the measures introduced as a result of the crisis in Ukraine have not had the desired and expected effect, while conversely, those EU member states with significant agricultural exports to Russia have suffered greatly from the sanctions. For this reason, the political and economic leaders of such countries are searching for possible cracks in the embargo policy to reduce their losses."

Source: Website of the Hungarian Goverment
In English : The Russian embargo has caused 4.5 billion dollars in damage to the Hungarian economy

The economic weakening of Europe and Russia must suit someone.

Yep the stinking elitists and warmongers in the USA.

 

[ESay]

"The Russian embargo has caused some 4.5 billion US Dollars in damage to the Hungarian economy; this is the estimated value of lost exports.

The EU wishes to solve the crisis in Eastern Ukraine via political instruments and sanctions against Russia were introduced as the most important element of such a political solution in the summer of 2014, the Ministerial Commissioner reminded the press. In reaction, Russia also ordered sanctions against the member states of the European Union in August 2014....

On 2 September of last year, the EU extended the period of sanctions until 31 January, then again until 31 July of this year. In reply, Russian President Valdimir Putin extended the Russian embargo until 5 August 2016. It is clear, however, that the measures introduced as a result of the crisis in Ukraine have not had the desired and expected effect, while conversely, those EU member states with significant agricultural exports to Russia have suffered greatly from the sanctions. For this reason, the political and economic leaders of such countries are searching for possible cracks in the embargo policy to reduce their losses."

Source: Website of the Hungarian Goverment
In English : The Russian embargo has caused 4.5 billion dollars in damage to the Hungarian economy

The real lesson that needs to be learned from this, is hello...... Protectionism doesn't work. Protectionism harms everyone.

It's funny because here in the US, we have this exact belief system being proposed as a solution to the US economy "We'll keep jobs in the US, by keeping out those imports"...

Well?? By your logic, the protectionism against Russian imports into the EU, should have caused a massive growth in the EU economy! Hungary should have massive employment, as millions of products formerly imported from Russia, have to be made domestically. The economy should be booming from growth of manufactured goods, and the EU should be seeing a huge rise in production and GDP.

Is that what we are seeing? No? Then why is it, we think that's going to work here?

I think you mixed something up. It is not the EU that prohibited the imports from Russia. Actually it is quite the contrary.

 

[Igrok_]

yeah, russia has growth in agricultural sector instead.

 

[Andylusion]

"The Russian embargo has caused some 4.5 billion US Dollars in damage to the Hungarian economy; this is the estimated value of lost exports.

The EU wishes to solve the crisis in Eastern Ukraine via political instruments and sanctions against Russia were introduced as the most important element of such a political solution in the summer of 2014, the Ministerial Commissioner reminded the press. In reaction, Russia also ordered sanctions against the member states of the European Union in August 2014....

On 2 September of last year, the EU extended the period of sanctions until 31 January, then again until 31 July of this year. In reply, Russian President Valdimir Putin extended the Russian embargo until 5 August 2016. It is clear, however, that the measures introduced as a result of the crisis in Ukraine have not had the desired and expected effect, while conversely, those EU member states with significant agricultural exports to Russia have suffered greatly from the sanctions. For this reason, the political and economic leaders of such countries are searching for possible cracks in the embargo policy to reduce their losses."

Source: Website of the Hungarian Goverment
In English : The Russian embargo has caused 4.5 billion dollars in damage to the Hungarian economy

The real lesson that needs to be learned from this, is hello...... Protectionism doesn't work. Protectionism harms everyone.

It's funny because here in the US, we have this exact belief system being proposed as a solution to the US economy "We'll keep jobs in the US, by keeping out those imports"...

Well?? By your logic, the protectionism against Russian imports into the EU, should have caused a massive growth in the EU economy! Hungary should have massive employment, as millions of products formerly imported from Russia, have to be made domestically. The economy should be booming from growth of manufactured goods, and the EU should be seeing a huge rise in production and GDP.

Is that what we are seeing? No? Then why is it, we think that's going to work here?

I think you mixed something up. It is not the EU that prohibited the imports from Russia. Actually it is quite the contrary.

I don't know if your are correct, but I don't think it makes even the slightest difference.

When the EU and others introduced trade sanctions against Russia, Russian introduced trade sanctions against the EU and others.

This is a normal result of any protectionism. Whoever tries to limit trade, will nearly always have their own trade limited.

The result is, economic decline for all parties.

 

[Igrok_]

"The Russian embargo has caused some 4.5 billion US Dollars in damage to the Hungarian economy; this is the estimated value of lost exports.

The EU wishes to solve the crisis in Eastern Ukraine via political instruments and sanctions against Russia were introduced as the most important element of such a political solution in the summer of 2014, the Ministerial Commissioner reminded the press. In reaction, Russia also ordered sanctions against the member states of the European Union in August 2014....

On 2 September of last year, the EU extended the period of sanctions until 31 January, then again until 31 July of this year. In reply, Russian President Valdimir Putin extended the Russian embargo until 5 August 2016. It is clear, however, that the measures introduced as a result of the crisis in Ukraine have not had the desired and expected effect, while conversely, those EU member states with significant agricultural exports to Russia have suffered greatly from the sanctions. For this reason, the political and economic leaders of such countries are searching for possible cracks in the embargo policy to reduce their losses."

Source: Website of the Hungarian Goverment
In English : The Russian embargo has caused 4.5 billion dollars in damage to the Hungarian economy

The real lesson that needs to be learned from this, is hello...... Protectionism doesn't work. Protectionism harms everyone.

It's funny because here in the US, we have this exact belief system being proposed as a solution to the US economy "We'll keep jobs in the US, by keeping out those imports"...

Well?? By your logic, the protectionism against Russian imports into the EU, should have caused a massive growth in the EU economy! Hungary should have massive employment, as millions of products formerly imported from Russia, have to be made domestically. The economy should be booming from growth of manufactured goods, and the EU should be seeing a huge rise in production and GDP.

Is that what we are seeing? No? Then why is it, we think that's going to work here?

I think you mixed something up. It is not the EU that prohibited the imports from Russia. Actually it is quite the contrary.

I don't know if your are correct, but I don't think it makes even the slightest difference.

When the EU and others introduced trade sanctions against Russia, Russian introduced trade sanctions against the EU and others.

This is a normal result of any protectionism. Whoever tries to limit trade, will nearly always have their own trade limited.

The result is, economic decline for all parties.

He is ukrainian and simpy happy about all that makes harm to russia, even if it harms EU and his own country. Such rotten psychology of them.

 

[ESay]

I don't know if your are correct, but I don't think it makes even the slightest difference.

When the EU and others introduced trade sanctions against Russia, Russian introduced trade sanctions against the EU and others.

This is a normal result of any protectionism. Whoever tries to limit trade, will nearly always have their own trade limited.

The result is, economic decline for all parties.

Actually it makes the difference. The EU prohibited the exports of some of its goods to Russia; Russia prohibited the imports of some European goods. Do you see any difference? The European sanctions have nothing to do with the protectionism.

 

[Andylusion]

"The Russian embargo has caused some 4.5 billion US Dollars in damage to the Hungarian economy; this is the estimated value of lost exports.

The EU wishes to solve the crisis in Eastern Ukraine via political instruments and sanctions against Russia were introduced as the most important element of such a political solution in the summer of 2014, the Ministerial Commissioner reminded the press. In reaction, Russia also ordered sanctions against the member states of the European Union in August 2014....

On 2 September of last year, the EU extended the period of sanctions until 31 January, then again until 31 July of this year. In reply, Russian President Valdimir Putin extended the Russian embargo until 5 August 2016. It is clear, however, that the measures introduced as a result of the crisis in Ukraine have not had the desired and expected effect, while conversely, those EU member states with significant agricultural exports to Russia have suffered greatly from the sanctions. For this reason, the political and economic leaders of such countries are searching for possible cracks in the embargo policy to reduce their losses."

Source: Website of the Hungarian Goverment
In English : The Russian embargo has caused 4.5 billion dollars in damage to the Hungarian economy

The real lesson that needs to be learned from this, is hello...... Protectionism doesn't work. Protectionism harms everyone.

It's funny because here in the US, we have this exact belief system being proposed as a solution to the US economy "We'll keep jobs in the US, by keeping out those imports"...

Well?? By your logic, the protectionism against Russian imports into the EU, should have caused a massive growth in the EU economy! Hungary should have massive employment, as millions of products formerly imported from Russia, have to be made domestically. The economy should be booming from growth of manufactured goods, and the EU should be seeing a huge rise in production and GDP.

Is that what we are seeing? No? Then why is it, we think that's going to work here?

I think you mixed something up. It is not the EU that prohibited the imports from Russia. Actually it is quite the contrary.

I don't know if your are correct, but I don't think it makes even the slightest difference.

When the EU and others introduced trade sanctions against Russia, Russian introduced trade sanctions against the EU and others.

This is a normal result of any protectionism. Whoever tries to limit trade, will nearly always have their own trade limited.

The result is, economic decline for all parties.

He is ukrainian and simpy happy about all that makes harm to russia, even if it harms EU and his own country. Such rotten psychology of them.

I think the problem is we don't like it when countries just "seize" land, and claim it's theirs. Can I just come to your home, and just claim it? Are you going to call the police? You just want to harm me, and don't care how much damage you do? Such rotten psychology to complain when I take your property from you.

 

[Igrok_]

"The Russian embargo has caused some 4.5 billion US Dollars in damage to the Hungarian economy; this is the estimated value of lost exports.

The EU wishes to solve the crisis in Eastern Ukraine via political instruments and sanctions against Russia were introduced as the most important element of such a political solution in the summer of 2014, the Ministerial Commissioner reminded the press. In reaction, Russia also ordered sanctions against the member states of the European Union in August 2014....

On 2 September of last year, the EU extended the period of sanctions until 31 January, then again until 31 July of this year. In reply, Russian President Valdimir Putin extended the Russian embargo until 5 August 2016. It is clear, however, that the measures introduced as a result of the crisis in Ukraine have not had the desired and expected effect, while conversely, those EU member states with significant agricultural exports to Russia have suffered greatly from the sanctions. For this reason, the political and economic leaders of such countries are searching for possible cracks in the embargo policy to reduce their losses."

Source: Website of the Hungarian Goverment
In English : The Russian embargo has caused 4.5 billion dollars in damage to the Hungarian economy

The real lesson that needs to be learned from this, is hello...... Protectionism doesn't work. Protectionism harms everyone.

It's funny because here in the US, we have this exact belief system being proposed as a solution to the US economy "We'll keep jobs in the US, by keeping out those imports"...

Well?? By your logic, the protectionism against Russian imports into the EU, should have caused a massive growth in the EU economy! Hungary should have massive employment, as millions of products formerly imported from Russia, have to be made domestically. The economy should be booming from growth of manufactured goods, and the EU should be seeing a huge rise in production and GDP.

Is that what we are seeing? No? Then why is it, we think that's going to work here?

I think you mixed something up. It is not the EU that prohibited the imports from Russia. Actually it is quite the contrary.

I don't know if your are correct, but I don't think it makes even the slightest difference.

When the EU and others introduced trade sanctions against Russia, Russian introduced trade sanctions against the EU and others.

This is a normal result of any protectionism. Whoever tries to limit trade, will nearly always have their own trade limited.

The result is, economic decline for all parties.

He is ukrainian and simpy happy about all that makes harm to russia, even if it harms EU and his own country. Such rotten psychology of them.

I think the problem is we don't like it when countries just "seize" land, and claim it's theirs. Can I just come to your home, and just claim it? Are you going to call the police? You just want to harm me, and don't care how much damage you do? Such rotten psychology to complain when I take your property from you.

If i live in your home, complaining will be a rotten psychology. All lands where ukrainians live now were russian territories and now catholic slavs are trying to capture them. People which are living now in Kiev are not the same that lived there for thousand of years, they have another mentality, another religion, they fire orthodox churches, kill orthodox priests and hate russian culture. So, russian duty is to make its former region free from that polish scum. That is all. For centures catholic slavs were living far away from kiev and it must be proceeded further.

 

[Andylusion]

I don't know if your are correct, but I don't think it makes even the slightest difference.

When the EU and others introduced trade sanctions against Russia, Russian introduced trade sanctions against the EU and others.

This is a normal result of any protectionism. Whoever tries to limit trade, will nearly always have their own trade limited.

The result is, economic decline for all parties.

Actually it makes the difference. The EU prohibited the exports of some of its goods to Russia; Russia prohibited the imports of some European goods. Do you see any difference? The European sanctions have nothing to do with the protectionism.

No, there is no difference.

Think about it.... the theory is that if we prevent the import of cheap foreign made goods, that our economy will boom.

Ok, so if you don't like the EU perspective, just flip it around. Russia prevented the import of EU goods. According to the protectionism theory, Russia should be having an economic boom. Because all those goods produced in Europe, should now be forced to be made in Russia. Jobs should be created. Investment should be increasing. Production should be booming.

Russia should be turning into the economic power house of the world right now... according to the protectionism theory.

Isn't that what we here in the West? If we just prevent the import of cheap goods, then Ford will be forced to build it's manufacturing plant in the US.... right?

So the EU and Russia have prevented the import of goods into Russia. That should force all the corporations to build manufacturing plants in Russia, creating jobs, producing goods, growing the economy.

Right? What am I missing? What's different? You tell me.

 

[Andylusion]

The real lesson that needs to be learned from this, is hello...... Protectionism doesn't work. Protectionism harms everyone.

It's funny because here in the US, we have this exact belief system being proposed as a solution to the US economy "We'll keep jobs in the US, by keeping out those imports"...

Well?? By your logic, the protectionism against Russian imports into the EU, should have caused a massive growth in the EU economy! Hungary should have massive employment, as millions of products formerly imported from Russia, have to be made domestically. The economy should be booming from growth of manufactured goods, and the EU should be seeing a huge rise in production and GDP.

Is that what we are seeing? No? Then why is it, we think that's going to work here?

I think you mixed something up. It is not the EU that prohibited the imports from Russia. Actually it is quite the contrary.

I don't know if your are correct, but I don't think it makes even the slightest difference.

When the EU and others introduced trade sanctions against Russia, Russian introduced trade sanctions against the EU and others.

This is a normal result of any protectionism. Whoever tries to limit trade, will nearly always have their own trade limited.

The result is, economic decline for all parties.

He is ukrainian and simpy happy about all that makes harm to russia, even if it harms EU and his own country. Such rotten psychology of them.

I think the problem is we don't like it when countries just "seize" land, and claim it's theirs. Can I just come to your home, and just claim it? Are you going to call the police? You just want to harm me, and don't care how much damage you do? Such rotten psychology to complain when I take your property from you.

If i live in your home, complaining will be a rotten psychology. All lands where ukrainians live now were russian territories and now catholic slavs are trying to capture them. People which are living now in Kiev are not the same that lived there for thousand of years, they have another mentality, another religion, they fire orthodox churches, kill orthodox priests and hate russian culture. So, russian duty is to make its former region free from that polish scum. That is all. For centures catholic slavs were living far away from kiev and it must be proceeded further.

Are you telling me, that your home, has been in your family since the dawn of human existence? I guarantee someone else, lived there before you. Can they come back and claim it?

 

[Igrok_]

I think you mixed something up. It is not the EU that prohibited the imports from Russia. Actually it is quite the contrary.

I don't know if your are correct, but I don't think it makes even the slightest difference.

When the EU and others introduced trade sanctions against Russia, Russian introduced trade sanctions against the EU and others.

This is a normal result of any protectionism. Whoever tries to limit trade, will nearly always have their own trade limited.

The result is, economic decline for all parties.

He is ukrainian and simpy happy about all that makes harm to russia, even if it harms EU and his own country. Such rotten psychology of them.

I think the problem is we don't like it when countries just "seize" land, and claim it's theirs. Can I just come to your home, and just claim it? Are you going to call the police? You just want to harm me, and don't care how much damage you do? Such rotten psychology to complain when I take your property from you.

If i live in your home, complaining will be a rotten psychology. All lands where ukrainians live now were russian territories and now catholic slavs are trying to capture them. People which are living now in Kiev are not the same that lived there for thousand of years, they have another mentality, another religion, they fire orthodox churches, kill orthodox priests and hate russian culture. So, russian duty is to make its former region free from that polish scum. That is all. For centures catholic slavs were living far away from kiev and it must be proceeded further.

Are you telling me, that your home, has been in your family since the dawn of human existence? I guarantee someone else, lived there before you. Can they come back and claim it?

really? If so, you should not worry if Russia captures Ukraine, cause who would care about what was there 1 or 5 years ago.

 

[Andylusion]

I don't know if your are correct, but I don't think it makes even the slightest difference.

When the EU and others introduced trade sanctions against Russia, Russian introduced trade sanctions against the EU and others.

This is a normal result of any protectionism. Whoever tries to limit trade, will nearly always have their own trade limited.

The result is, economic decline for all parties.

He is ukrainian and simpy happy about all that makes harm to russia, even if it harms EU and his own country. Such rotten psychology of them.

I think the problem is we don't like it when countries just "seize" land, and claim it's theirs. Can I just come to your home, and just claim it? Are you going to call the police? You just want to harm me, and don't care how much damage you do? Such rotten psychology to complain when I take your property from you.

If i live in your home, complaining will be a rotten psychology. All lands where ukrainians live now were russian territories and now catholic slavs are trying to capture them. People which are living now in Kiev are not the same that lived there for thousand of years, they have another mentality, another religion, they fire orthodox churches, kill orthodox priests and hate russian culture. So, russian duty is to make its former region free from that polish scum. That is all. For centures catholic slavs were living far away from kiev and it must be proceeded further.

Are you telling me, that your home, has been in your family since the dawn of human existence? I guarantee someone else, lived there before you. Can they come back and claim it?

really? If so, you should not worry if Russia captures Ukraine, cause who would care about what was there 1 or 5 years ago.

Right, so the Ukraines are fighting back to take the land you are stealing from them. We should we not support them? You expect to support stealing the land from them, right?

How about the Crimean Tatars that lived in Crimea before the Soviets stole it from them, and murdered them?

Should we help them fight you to take back Crimea from you? After all, they were there first. Isn't that your argument that you want to take Ukraine?

 

[Igrok_]

He is ukrainian and simpy happy about all that makes harm to russia, even if it harms EU and his own country. Such rotten psychology of them.

I think the problem is we don't like it when countries just "seize" land, and claim it's theirs. Can I just come to your home, and just claim it? Are you going to call the police? You just want to harm me, and don't care how much damage you do? Such rotten psychology to complain when I take your property from you.

If i live in your home, complaining will be a rotten psychology. All lands where ukrainians live now were russian territories and now catholic slavs are trying to capture them. People which are living now in Kiev are not the same that lived there for thousand of years, they have another mentality, another religion, they fire orthodox churches, kill orthodox priests and hate russian culture. So, russian duty is to make its former region free from that polish scum. That is all. For centures catholic slavs were living far away from kiev and it must be proceeded further.

Are you telling me, that your home, has been in your family since the dawn of human existence? I guarantee someone else, lived there before you. Can they come back and claim it?

really? If so, you should not worry if Russia captures Ukraine, cause who would care about what was there 1 or 5 years ago.

Right, so the Ukraines are fighting back to take the land you are stealing from them. We should we not support them? You expect to support stealing the land from them, right?

How about the Crimean Tatars that lived in Crimea before the Soviets stole it from them, and murdered them?

Should we help them fight you to take back Crimea from you? After all, they were there first. Isn't that your argument that you want to take Ukraine?

You said that we should not consider who was the first, so we can't base on that. Try show other arguments up. Yes, there is one more reason to fight ukraine - because they threaten Russia and try to be member of NATO, which since the collapse of USSR is trying to get closer and closer to russian borders. This is an aggressive politics, which needs to have an answer. Also it is fair to fight country which is willing to have a war with you, is it not?

 

[Andylusion]

I think the problem is we don't like it when countries just "seize" land, and claim it's theirs. Can I just come to your home, and just claim it? Are you going to call the police? You just want to harm me, and don't care how much damage you do? Such rotten psychology to complain when I take your property from you.

If i live in your home, complaining will be a rotten psychology. All lands where ukrainians live now were russian territories and now catholic slavs are trying to capture them. People which are living now in Kiev are not the same that lived there for thousand of years, they have another mentality, another religion, they fire orthodox churches, kill orthodox priests and hate russian culture. So, russian duty is to make its former region free from that polish scum. That is all. For centures catholic slavs were living far away from kiev and it must be proceeded further.

Are you telling me, that your home, has been in your family since the dawn of human existence? I guarantee someone else, lived there before you. Can they come back and claim it?

really? If so, you should not worry if Russia captures Ukraine, cause who would care about what was there 1 or 5 years ago.

Right, so the Ukraines are fighting back to take the land you are stealing from them. We should we not support them? You expect to support stealing the land from them, right?

How about the Crimean Tatars that lived in Crimea before the Soviets stole it from them, and murdered them?

Should we help them fight you to take back Crimea from you? After all, they were there first. Isn't that your argument that you want to take Ukraine?

You said that we should not consider who was the first, so we can't base on that. Try show other arguments up. Yes, there is one more reason to fight ukraine - because they threaten Russia and try to be member of NATO, which since the collapse of USSR is trying to get closer and closer to russian borders. This is an aggressive politics, which needs to have an answer. Also it is fair to fight country which is willing to have a war with you, is it not?

There is no evidence that I've seen, that Ukraine PRIOR to the invasion of Russia, was trying to a member of NATO. They were trying to open more trade with the EU.

But they were NOT trying to be part of NATO.

*NOW*.... after you have bombed, fired shells, killed hundred of their people, and confiscated their land...> YEAH < ! They are trying to join NATO. ANYONE you do that to, is going to try and join NATO. *YOU* caused this. By MURDERING their daughters, and children, YEAH they want to join NATO now. Not a shock. Not a surprise.

If you do what you did to Ukraine, to any other neighboring country, they will ALL try and join NATO.

No, I'm not suggesting anything. You are. You are saying that because such and such a people lived in Ukraine over a hundred years ago, that you have a right to own Ukraine.

If that is the belief system you want to go by, then 90% of Russia today, needs to be turned over to others. Mongolia owned most of the Stepp, long before the 'Kievan Rus' people ever existed. You better start giving it all back eh? If you think that is the determining factor, then live up to your claims. Start returning the land to the Mongols. And China for that matter.

 

[Igrok_]

If i live in your home, complaining will be a rotten psychology. All lands where ukrainians live now were russian territories and now catholic slavs are trying to capture them. People which are living now in Kiev are not the same that lived there for thousand of years, they have another mentality, another religion, they fire orthodox churches, kill orthodox priests and hate russian culture. So, russian duty is to make its former region free from that polish scum. That is all. For centures catholic slavs were living far away from kiev and it must be proceeded further.

Are you telling me, that your home, has been in your family since the dawn of human existence? I guarantee someone else, lived there before you. Can they come back and claim it?

really? If so, you should not worry if Russia captures Ukraine, cause who would care about what was there 1 or 5 years ago.

Right, so the Ukraines are fighting back to take the land you are stealing from them. We should we not support them? You expect to support stealing the land from them, right?

How about the Crimean Tatars that lived in Crimea before the Soviets stole it from them, and murdered them?

Should we help them fight you to take back Crimea from you? After all, they were there first. Isn't that your argument that you want to take Ukraine?

You said that we should not consider who was the first, so we can't base on that. Try show other arguments up. Yes, there is one more reason to fight ukraine - because they threaten Russia and try to be member of NATO, which since the collapse of USSR is trying to get closer and closer to russian borders. This is an aggressive politics, which needs to have an answer. Also it is fair to fight country which is willing to have a war with you, is it not?

There is no evidence that I've seen, that Ukraine PRIOR to the invasion of Russia, was trying to a member of NATO. They were trying to open more trade with the EU.

But they were NOT trying to be part of NATO.

*NOW*.... after you have bombed, fired shells, killed hundred of their people, and confiscated their land...> YEAH < ! They are trying to join NATO. ANYONE you do that to, is going to try and join NATO. *YOU* caused this. By MURDERING their daughters, and children, YEAH they want to join NATO now. Not a shock. Not a surprise.

If you do what you did to Ukraine, to any other neighboring country, they will ALL try and join NATO.

No, I'm not suggesting anything. You are. You are saying that because such and such a people lived in Ukraine over a hundred years ago, that you have a right to own Ukraine.

If that is the belief system you want to go by, then 90% of Russia today, needs to be turned over to others. Mongolia owned most of the Stepp, long before the 'Kievan Rus' people ever existed. You better start giving it all back eh? If you think that is the determining factor, then live up to your claims. Start returning the land to the Mongols. And China for that matter.

Don't understand what the belief system i want follow... in your dreams maybe.

So, now i open your eyes, these are evidences, that ukraine was trying to be member of NATO decade before the russian invasion:
BBC NEWS | Europe | Bush cautious on Ukraine Nato bid
BBC NEWS | Europe | Russia warns Kiev over Nato plans
BBC NEWS | Europe | Ukraine pushes for Nato schedule

Try to follow carefully western media and you will understand more in modern world.

 

[Andylusion]

Are you telling me, that your home, has been in your family since the dawn of human existence? I guarantee someone else, lived there before you. Can they come back and claim it?

really? If so, you should not worry if Russia captures Ukraine, cause who would care about what was there 1 or 5 years ago.

Right, so the Ukraines are fighting back to take the land you are stealing from them. We should we not support them? You expect to support stealing the land from them, right?

How about the Crimean Tatars that lived in Crimea before the Soviets stole it from them, and murdered them?

Should we help them fight you to take back Crimea from you? After all, they were there first. Isn't that your argument that you want to take Ukraine?

You said that we should not consider who was the first, so we can't base on that. Try show other arguments up. Yes, there is one more reason to fight ukraine - because they threaten Russia and try to be member of NATO, which since the collapse of USSR is trying to get closer and closer to russian borders. This is an aggressive politics, which needs to have an answer. Also it is fair to fight country which is willing to have a war with you, is it not?

There is no evidence that I've seen, that Ukraine PRIOR to the invasion of Russia, was trying to a member of NATO. They were trying to open more trade with the EU.

But they were NOT trying to be part of NATO.

*NOW*.... after you have bombed, fired shells, killed hundred of their people, and confiscated their land...> YEAH < ! They are trying to join NATO. ANYONE you do that to, is going to try and join NATO. *YOU* caused this. By MURDERING their daughters, and children, YEAH they want to join NATO now. Not a shock. Not a surprise.

If you do what you did to Ukraine, to any other neighboring country, they will ALL try and join NATO.

No, I'm not suggesting anything. You are. You are saying that because such and such a people lived in Ukraine over a hundred years ago, that you have a right to own Ukraine.

If that is the belief system you want to go by, then 90% of Russia today, needs to be turned over to others. Mongolia owned most of the Stepp, long before the 'Kievan Rus' people ever existed. You better start giving it all back eh? If you think that is the determining factor, then live up to your claims. Start returning the land to the Mongols. And China for that matter.

Don't understand what the belief system i want follow... in your dreams maybe.

So, now i open your eyes, these are evidences, that ukraine was trying to be member of NATO decade before the russian invasion:
BBC NEWS | Europe | Bush cautious on Ukraine Nato bid
BBC NEWS | Europe | Russia warns Kiev over Nato plans
BBC NEWS | Europe | Ukraine pushes for Nato schedule

Try to follow carefully western media and you will understand more in modern world.

Ok, you got me. I had never seen that before. I knew they were trying to join WTO, but I did not know they wanted to join NATO.

Of course, you basically proved their concerns correct. Did you not? They were worried about Russian aggression, and look what's happened? Thousands dead, troops deployed on their land, and entire sections of the country utterly ruined.

It would seem their concerns were justified.

 

[Igrok_]

really? If so, you should not worry if Russia captures Ukraine, cause who would care about what was there 1 or 5 years ago.

Right, so the Ukraines are fighting back to take the land you are stealing from them. We should we not support them? You expect to support stealing the land from them, right?

How about the Crimean Tatars that lived in Crimea before the Soviets stole it from them, and murdered them?

Should we help them fight you to take back Crimea from you? After all, they were there first. Isn't that your argument that you want to take Ukraine?

You said that we should not consider who was the first, so we can't base on that. Try show other arguments up. Yes, there is one more reason to fight ukraine - because they threaten Russia and try to be member of NATO, which since the collapse of USSR is trying to get closer and closer to russian borders. This is an aggressive politics, which needs to have an answer. Also it is fair to fight country which is willing to have a war with you, is it not?

There is no evidence that I've seen, that Ukraine PRIOR to the invasion of Russia, was trying to a member of NATO. They were trying to open more trade with the EU.

But they were NOT trying to be part of NATO.

*NOW*.... after you have bombed, fired shells, killed hundred of their people, and confiscated their land...> YEAH < ! They are trying to join NATO. ANYONE you do that to, is going to try and join NATO. *YOU* caused this. By MURDERING their daughters, and children, YEAH they want to join NATO now. Not a shock. Not a surprise.

If you do what you did to Ukraine, to any other neighboring country, they will ALL try and join NATO.

No, I'm not suggesting anything. You are. You are saying that because such and such a people lived in Ukraine over a hundred years ago, that you have a right to own Ukraine.

If that is the belief system you want to go by, then 90% of Russia today, needs to be turned over to others. Mongolia owned most of the Stepp, long before the 'Kievan Rus' people ever existed. You better start giving it all back eh? If you think that is the determining factor, then live up to your claims. Start returning the land to the Mongols. And China for that matter.

Don't understand what the belief system i want follow... in your dreams maybe.

So, now i open your eyes, these are evidences, that ukraine was trying to be member of NATO decade before the russian invasion:
BBC NEWS | Europe | Bush cautious on Ukraine Nato bid
BBC NEWS | Europe | Russia warns Kiev over Nato plans
BBC NEWS | Europe | Ukraine pushes for Nato schedule

Try to follow carefully western media and you will understand more in modern world.

Ok, you got me. I had never seen that before. I knew they were trying to join WTO, but I did not know they wanted to join NATO.

Of course, you basically proved their concerns correct. Did you not? They were worried about Russian aggression, and look what's happened? Thousands dead, troops deployed on their land, and entire sections of the country utterly ruined.

It would seem their concerns were justified.

yeah, if they wanted their concerns to be justified, trying to be member of NATO was the best choice.