Ed Snowden is a traitor

[OohPooPahDoo]

"Is it legal for anyone to reveal any government secret they like so long as they claim the government is violating the constitution" ?


And if they are wrong.....hang them.

Wrong according to who? The media? Just FOX News or do the other outlets get a say?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Apparently not, if folks SINCERELY believe that you can not be a democrat and a communist.

Read the Democratic party Platform and compare with the Nazi platform. The ONLY difference is the racist provisos.

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Can you show the part of the Democratic platform that states all farms and all industry should owned by the state?

Thanks.

Wut?


Can you identify one economic activity that the democrats don’t favor regulating to the nth degree?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

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I would need you to objectively define what you mean be "regulating to the nth degree"

Thanks.

 

[MisterBeale]

Perhaps we should publish the names of all our secret agents on a website for everyone to see?

Perhaps we should dispense with having secret agents?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

You're not doing a very good job explaining yourself, instead you'd prefer to rely solely on the personal attack.

I try really hard to avoid personal attacks on here. But you don't offer anything other than an asinine personality to attack. You certainly don't maintain anything like principled positions. As most people here - even those nominally on your 'side' - have come to recognize, you're nothing but a partisan cheerleader, and every single thing you post is disingenuous crap. You're only concerned about 'national security' and secrets when your fearless leader is caught with his pants down. No one buys the faux conservative angle, it only makes you look like a weasel.

You are very hard to have a conversation with. You speak of vague notions like "principled positions" and slogans like "partisan cheerleader" rather than the specifics of the discussion at hand. You would prefer the topic of discussion be who is on whose side and why rather than actual substance, much like a reality television show.

I am waiting for you to explain to me precisely under what conditions one may legally violate their security oath. So far you would seem to be suggesting that so long as one can say one thought the Constitution was being violated, one may reveal all the secrets they like. One does not have to prove it to a court or anyone, one must merely assert the Constitution was violated. Is this not your opinion and if not, what on Earth is?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Perhaps we should publish the names of all our secret agents on a website for everyone to see?

Perhaps we should dispense with having secret agents?

That's a brilliant idea!

In fact, let's just get rid of the CIA and NSA altogether, eliminate the border guard, and send the military packing home! We don't need all that crap. Who would want to hurt America?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

"Is it legal for anyone to reveal any government secret they like so long as they claim the government is violating the constitution" ?


And if they are wrong.....hang them.

If the government is keeping secrets, it is time to get a new government.

If the government hadn't kept secrets during WW II you would have been guaranteed a new government. A German speaking government.

 

[Desperado]

OK. I agree. But this was started under Bush. And, had Snowden shown the extent of surveilance here, and stayed and taken his lumps, he would be regarded as just a whistleblower, one that deserves accolades..

If Snowden had stayed he may not have survived those "lumps" .
Leaving was a Good move on his part for his survival.

 

[Contumacious]

Why? Anyone who wants to reveal government secrets is allowed to do so. Isn't that your position?

ahh.. a strawman, how cute.

Is there anything Obama or the Democrats could do that you wouldn't support blindly?

Flat tax. Fair tax. Lowering taxes on the wealthy

Reducing education loans and grants.

Eliminating ObamaCare

Keystone Pipeline



Do you want me to continue?

Yes, puhlesse.

The 10 Measures of Communism

And how will the proletariat use their political clout to wrest capital away from the capitalists? With the 10 measures Marx and Engels laid out in 1848. As the master communists aver, the exact implementation will vary slightly from county to country, but will follow the general thrust of the measures.

Here are the 10 measures the proletariat will use to bring about the full realization of the communist utopian dream, once they have the political power:

Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.[/B]
Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

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[OohPooPahDoo]

OK. I agree. But this was started under Bush. And, had Snowden shown the extent of surveilance here, and stayed and taken his lumps, he would be regarded as just a whistleblower, one that deserves accolades..

If Snowden had stayed he may not have survived those "lumps" .
Leaving was a Good move on his part for his survival.

Which is clearly all that Snowden cares about, and he's willing to put your life at risk to do it.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

ahh.. a strawman, how cute.

Is there anything Obama or the Democrats could do that you wouldn't support blindly?

Flat tax. Fair tax. Lowering taxes on the wealthy

Reducing education loans and grants.

Eliminating ObamaCare

Keystone Pipeline



Do you want me to continue?

Yes, puhlesse.

The 10 Measures of Communism

And how will the proletariat use their political clout to wrest capital away from the capitalists? With the 10 measures Marx and Engels laid out in 1848. As the master communists aver, the exact implementation will vary slightly from county to country, but will follow the general thrust of the measures.

Here are the 10 measures the proletariat will use to bring about the full realization of the communist utopian dream, once they have the political power:

Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.[/B]
Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

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Did you know Hitler was vegetarian?

I guess that means anyone who is a vegetarian is a fascist, right?

 

[deltex1]

"Is it legal for anyone to reveal any government secret they like so long as they claim the government is violating the constitution" ?


And if they are wrong.....hang them.

If the government is keeping secrets, it is time to get a new government.

That is a mile beyond naive...

 

[Contumacious]

Can you show the part of the Democratic platform that states all farms and all industry should owned by the state?

Thanks.

Wut?


Can you identify one economic activity that the democrats don’t favor regulating to the nth degree?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

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I would need you to objectively define what you mean be "regulating to the nth degree"

Thanks.

It doesn't need definition.

If you ever bother reading the Constitution you will find out that NO AUTHORITY was ever provided to regulate the economy.

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[MisterBeale]

Did Ed Snowden take an oath of secrecy?

It wouldn't matter if he did. Such an oath would never supersede an oath to protect and defend the Constitution.

So if the oath taker claims he's protecting the Constitution, he's exempt from his secrecy oath? Why even bother making anyone take a secrecy oath, if all they have to do to be exempt from it is say they are protecting the Constitution?

Agreed. Why even bother having secrecy oaths. Snowden's big mistake was getting involved with those crooks and evil doers in the first place. As soon as they made him take that oath? Warning bells should have sounded. Secrecy oaths are for the corrupt, incorrigibly slimy pieces of shit in this world. Why bother having them unless we need to hide our despicable hateful traitorous behavior from the human condition. The type of behavior that in the end spells disaster for innocents around the globe, both economically and for other peoples life and limb.

What did that luminary of Liberalism have to say about secrecy, the one many of us so admire, John F. Kennedy?
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Is it OK for government officials to do anything they like so long as they say they are protecting the Constitution or is it only OK for Ed Snowden to do that?

This seems to be a straw-man. Government officials do not get to do what ever they want, nor does Ed Snowden. What they CAN do, is prevent enemies of the American people from attacking the Constitution and the Republic it founded. This is precisely what Snowden did, and it is precisely what all patriotic politicians and public servants should do.

For instance, when protesters are protesting to have the federal reserve audited (not just the domestic books, which they do now, but the gold reserves, derivatives/ off the books and international foreign liquidity injections which are private,) police should not be called out to quell dissent, but should be part of the protests, after all, it affects their 401k and dollar purchasing power as well. What are we at now, infinite QE every month, with no end in sight? This is what it means to PROTECT AND DEFEND the constitution, and enemies foreign and DOMESTIC.

No individual administration or single government, be it left leaning or right, is more important than the principals and values that the nation was founded on. We are those values. If we abandon them, the nation will fall apart, on to be held together by a dictator police state, or any particular regime in power. Being commanded only by the power of fear, violence and the gun. What insane citizen would ever want that?

Can you please show me where in the Constitution it says judicial authority is vested in Ed Snowden?

Yeah, like Statist ever give a damn about the Constitution. Show me where in the Constitution they repealed Writ of Habeas Corpus. Of course there is no Judicial authority vested in Snowden. But what idiot really believes in the fairness of a system in a soft corporate surveillance police state? After what he revealed about what the corporate police state is doing, and is capable of doing, he knows how the game is played. Only an idiot is going to come back and play a rigged game.

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[Contumacious]

Flat tax. Fair tax. Lowering taxes on the wealthy

Reducing education loans and grants.

Eliminating ObamaCare

Keystone Pipeline



Do you want me to continue?

Yes, puhlesse.

The 10 Measures of Communism

And how will the proletariat use their political clout to wrest capital away from the capitalists? With the 10 measures Marx and Engels laid out in 1848. As the master communists aver, the exact implementation will vary slightly from county to country, but will follow the general thrust of the measures.

Here are the 10 measures the proletariat will use to bring about the full realization of the communist utopian dream, once they have the political power:

Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.[/B]
Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.
Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

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Did you know Hitler was vegetarian?

I guess that means anyone who is a vegetarian is a fascist, right?

While it is true that all vegetarians are not socialists it is not true that those who advocate control of the economy , ie, graduated income tax, Obama Hellcare, government education , are not fascists/socialists.

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[OohPooPahDoo]

Wut?


Can you identify one economic activity that the democrats don’t favor regulating to the nth degree?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

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I would need you to objectively define what you mean be "regulating to the nth degree"

Thanks.

It doesn't need definition.

Well I don't know what the term "regulating to the nth degree" means, so yes, it does if you'd like me to answer your question.

If you ever bother reading the Constitution you will find out that NO AUTHORITY was ever provided to regulate the economy.

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What part of the Commerce clause are you confused about?

 

[MisterBeale]

"Is it legal for anyone to reveal any government secret they like so long as they claim the government is violating the constitution" ?


And if they are wrong.....hang them.

If the government is keeping secrets, it is time to get a new government.

That is a mile beyond naive...

And that is light years into being mental conditioned by the corporate intelligence state apparatus.

You cannot fight evil with evil. You can only repel evil with LOVE. Who told you that you could only combat evil with evil, movies? TV? NEWS? Video games? All of the above I suspect. Certainly not books.

Are we the good guys or the bad guys? You know, believe it or not, at one time, this nation did not even have a standing army. Oh, but let me guess, George Washington was "beyond naive" when England, France, Russia, and Prussia all had HUGE standing armies. Right?

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

This seems to be a straw-man. Government officials do not get to do what ever they want, nor does Ed Snowden. What they CAN do, is prevent enemies of the American people from attacking the Constitution and the Republic it founded. This is precisely what Snowden did, and it is precisely what all patriotic politicians and public servants should do.

So as long as I can drum up enough media support, I can leak all the secrets I want?

What is the standard? WHO decides if its OK to leak the information? You have yet to provide me any objective standard by which this can be determined. So far all I can tell is that its popular opinion - because no one will actually tell me the process by which we determine if someone who claims they leaked secret information to protect the constitution should get off. I would suggest a JURY and/or JUDGE(S) make that determination in accordance with the law but hey - what do I know about the rule of law? Better the media and the popular opinion decide, right? That's what a "nation of laws" means to you?

 

[MisterBeale]

Perhaps we should publish the names of all our secret agents on a website for everyone to see?

Perhaps we should dispense with having secret agents?

That's a brilliant idea!

In fact, let's just get rid of the CIA and NSA altogether, eliminate the border guard, and send the military packing home! We don't need all that crap. Who would want to hurt America?

Ahh. . . now you are talking sensibly. Did you know more Americans die every year from household appliance accidents than from terrorists or foreign operatives?

So yes, please, do answer your own question, who would want to hurt us?

 

[g5000]

Edward may have broken the law, but he blew the lid off of a major unconstitutional spying ring known as the National Security Administration.

Um, no. That lid was blown off in 2006. Snowden just informed us it was still going on after the torch was passed from Right to Left.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Did you know more Americans die every year from household appliance accidents than from terrorists or foreign operatives?

And you'd prefer that not be true?WTF?!?