Does raising the minimum wage reduce poverty?

[Ray From Cleveland]

You have MANY times used yourself as an example of how "easy" it is to get ahead

Have you forgotten that?

Oh wait...you just did it again.
" Yes, people can do what I do and still get married and have kids once their life is established. What's wrong with that?"

People "can" do a lot of things...but it's a LOT harder when you have kids. Of course having not ever had any...you have no idea. So you just talk out your ass.
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Oh bullshit. At one time I had to support my GF and her two kids when she lost her job so don't give me that bullshit. I do know what it's like to have to feed kids. And yes, what I did is something most other people can do. Work and get some references and experience, get into a line of work that you can make a decent living off of and be in demand, and if possible, invest some of that money for your future.

Who can't do that? Oh, that's right, people that had kids they couldn't support or could barely support. So the solution is don't have kids until you're financially established and then do the same things I did.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Holy shit. Go back and read the exchanges.

my god you're a stupid fuck.

You might possibly be too stupid to understand how stupid you are...or you're well past that 8 pack limit...

I'm saving myself for the next few nights. Have some family stopping over.

When the personal insults come out, that's when you know you won the debate.

 

[Lesh]

At one time I had to support my GF and her two kids when she lost her job

You think letting your GF squat in your hovel for a couple months equates to raising a family? For 18 years...diapers...day care...dressing and feeding them...college...weddings?

You dope

 

[AntonToo]

Yes there is. Inflation is normal as everything goes up a little bit here and there, but it doesn't cause a supply shortage because for one, we always adjust to "normal" inflation, and two, our labor shortage was caused from Dementia paying people to stay home instead of working. To my knowledge that's never been done in our country before. When industry has to compete with government for workers you know it spells trouble.

So then as to the discussion of minimum wage you seem to agree that effective minimum wage will be shrinking if left un-raised.

 

[AntonToo]

Yea I get that. I mean what are your thoughts on the part I posted from your source:

“…For those reasons, a minimum-wage increase would cause a net reduction in average family income.”

It's the same thoughts.

Look at the family income breakdown - the gains near poverty level are averaged with losses in high income brackets.

 

[XponentialChaos]

It's the same thoughts.

Look at the family income breakdown - the gains near poverty level are averaged with losses in high income brackets.

Ok. Well if it’s going to cause a net reduction in average family income, then I’m not really in favor of it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Does Warren Buffet making another billion in dividends reduce poverty? not in the least.

Berkshire doesn't pay a dividend.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

So then as to the discussion of minimum wage you seem to agree that effective minimum wage will be shrinking if left un-raised.

Yes, it probably will. So what? Like I said, you have to be a real dope to sit back and wait for government to give you a raise. If you're not making enough money, get the training, education or skills to make more, that's all. This is the problem when people depend on government to do everything for them. They get lazy and don't want to do for themselves.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You think letting your GF squat in your hovel for a couple months equates to raising a family? For 18 years...diapers...day care...dressing and feeding them...college...weddings?

You dope

We lived together for four years. So what was I to do, throw her out because she was going through a bad time?

 

[Dragonlady]

Is this like socialism would work if only it were done right?

Social democracies include all of the most all of the most successful countries in the first world.

The USA is the only country in the first world that does not have a living first wage and uses middle class taxes to subsidize the wage of low income workers for its most profitable corporations.

The USA did a lot better economically before the Republicans took over and started crashing the economy every time they take the White House.

 

[Colin norris]

If the answer is no, and I'm pretty sure it is, then why have a minimum wage at all? If you raise the minimum wage to $15 all you're doing is ensuring that any job worth less than that won't exist legally, and that means unskilled people will have less job opportunities and less possibilities for expanding their value in the market. Grown people should not be inhibited by the government when it comes to their ability to negotiate their own labor. It's immoral, patronizing and it doesn't actually achieve its intended effect. It does ensure less jobs and less business opportunities though.

The minimum wage is well-intentioned, and our economy can survive despite it, but all it really does is limit the people that are worth the least. The impact a $15/hr minimum wage would have on the job market, particularly in more rural states, is no doubt massive. I consider myself left wing. I support a lot of left wing ideas. This is not one of them though. There shouldn't be a minimum wage. It's not actually helping poor people. I think it's bad for everybody.

Well as sure as hell the minimum wage hasn't lifted many out if poverty.
Maybe try it see the difference.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The USA is the only country in the first world that does not have a living first wage and uses middle class taxes to subsidize the wage of low income workers for its most profitable corporations.

What's the income range for "middle class taxes"?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Well as sure as hell the minimum wage hasn't lifted many out if poverty.
Maybe try it see the difference.

If it hasn't in the past why would it today?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Social democracies include all of the most all of the most successful countries in the first world.

The USA is the only country in the first world that does not have a living first wage and uses middle class taxes to subsidize the wage of low income workers for its most profitable corporations.

The USA did a lot better economically before the Republicans took over and started crashing the economy every time they take the White House.

Most middle-class people don't pay actual income taxes where the money to support the poor comes from. Those taxes come from the most affluent of our society.

 

[Grumblenuts]

No Reagan and Bush 41 negotiated and signed NAFTA. Bush signed the Agreement in December of 1992, because he didn't want Democrats taking credit for the conservative movement's signature piece of legislation. This was HUGE for Reagan and Bush.

Not really. Rather than simply vetoing it as any decent Democrat would, Clinton happily signed it into law and effectively sold it proudly as his own achievement. It wasn't until Hillary ran last time that either of them cast any doubts regarding the wonders of NAFTA. Of course Republicans cooked it up to begin with. They could never sell our jobs out fast enough. But the Dems managed to catch up and then some since.

Clinton also stated that "NAFTA means jobs. American jobs, and good-paying American jobs. If I didn't believe that, I wouldn't support this agreement."[28] NAFTA replaced the previous Canada-US FTA.

International trade agreements are fine. Obviously, we already had some. For us, NAFTA turned out worse than many of us ever imagined and just ushered in more of the same crap. Corporate profits uber alles, to be neatly tucked away in tax havens, jobs and environment provided lip service.

 

[Grumblenuts]

Ok. Well if it’s going to cause a net reduction in average family income, then I’m not really in favor of it.

The "average" is now tilted so far upscale by the increasingly ridiculous growth at the top that one must use the "mean" to gain any sense from it at all.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The "average" is now tilted so far upscale by the increasingly ridiculous growth at the top that one must use the "mean" to gain any sense from it at all.

"Mean" and "average" are the same.

You meant median?

 

[AntonToo]

Ok. Well if it’s going to cause a net reduction in average family income, then I’m not really in favor of it.

Anytime a generic working person gets a raise there is an estimated reduction in "average family income".

To me that's not a reason to oppose people getting paid just-barely dignified pay for their work.

But hey, at least it is not a bs reason, like that nonsense about minimum wage supposedly not helping minimum wage earners.

 

[AntonToo]

Yes, it probably will. So what? Like I said, you have to be a real dope to sit back and wait for government to give you a raise. If you're not making enough money, get the training, education or skills to make more, that's all. This is the problem when people depend on government to do everything for them. They get lazy and don't want to do for themselves.

It's easy to judge people and tell them how to live their life from the comforts of your own circumstance, but I'm not into that.

I'm into making sure people (dopes as you call them) making just very bare minimum for honest day's work.

 

[Couchpotato]

Social democracies include all of the most all of the most successful countries in the first world.

The USA is the only country in the first world that does not have a living first wage and uses middle class taxes to subsidize the wage of low income workers for its most profitable corporations.

The USA did a lot better economically before the Republicans took over and started crashing the economy every time they take the White House.

They do?

Minimum Wages Regulations - Denmark

Your rights: salary and minimum wages in Denmark – WageIndicator.org.

wageindicator.org

Sweden Minimum Wage - World Minimum Wage Rates 2024

www.minimum-wage.org

Finland

wageindicator.org

Arent the Scandinavian countries the ones you guys typically trot out as the poster children for shit like this?

Add to that group, Iceland, Switzerland, Germany, Austria.....

You should really google shit before you talk out of your ass like that....