Does Israel really belong to the Jews?

[Hollie]

Alrighty then. I remember when the almightily Hezbollah killed over 200 American marines in their barracks in 1983. BOOM, Regan ran away, but besides the point. Ok . OK? What the hell is that supposed to mean?

That was October 23 1983
The US embassy went in April 1983

You do recall, America entered the civil war first (To assist Israeli forces, even though they lied about that)?
Once you'd entered as a combatant, you take your chances.

"Once you'd entered as a combatant, you take your chances"

Send that as an email to your islamo-fascist heroes in Gaza.

 

[peach174]

Israel not only belongs to the seed of Abraham - the Jews - but ONLY to the Jews. How about those apples? Wonder why God is angry? Wonder no more! Who dares to divide the City of David? Jerusalem is the City of David. This is why the Hebrew prophets speak of a day when the strangers will no longer dwell in the midst of Israel.

Really how about Shem being the King of Salem (Jerusalem) is that not the Jewish belief.

Abraham had 8 sons for those who don't know. Also the OT is mainly made up, nothing historical about it has been found. Jerusalem is not the city of David. the Jews have no more right to Palestine as well the Palestine do who were there before the Judah tribe.

Wrong
Archeology has found reference to King David.
The Tel Dan Inscription: The First Historical Evidence of King David from the Bible ? Biblical Archaeology Society

 

[GISMYS]

And God said to him, 'Your name is Jacob; your name shall not be called Jacob anymore, but Israel shall be your name.' So He called his name Israel. Also God said to him: 'I am God Almighty. Be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall proceed from you, and kings shall come from your body. The land which I gave Abraham and Isaac I give to you; and to your descendants after you I give this land'" (Gen. 35:10-12).

 

[peach174]

Israel not only belongs to the seed of Abraham - the Jews - but ONLY to the Jews. How about those apples? Wonder why God is angry? Wonder no more! Who dares to divide the City of David? Jerusalem is the City of David. This is why the Hebrew prophets speak of a day when the strangers will no longer dwell in the midst of Israel.

Really how about Shem being the King of Salem (Jerusalem) is that not the Jewish belief.

Abraham had 8 sons for those who don't know. Also the OT is mainly made up, nothing historical about it has been found. Jerusalem is not the city of David. the Jews have no more right to Palestine as well the Palestine do who were there before the Judah tribe.

Shem was the son of Noah before the sons of Abraham. God had no promise with Noah's sons.

Gods promise was to the 2 sons of Abraham, not the 2nd wife's sons.
Ishmael would be a Nation.
Isaac would also be a Nation of Kings. ( Gen. 21:5). God's promise was fulfilled, when from the descendants of Isaac, came King Saul, King David and King Solomon.

 

[Penelope]

Israel not only belongs to the seed of Abraham - the Jews - but ONLY to the Jews. How about those apples? Wonder why God is angry? Wonder no more! Who dares to divide the City of David? Jerusalem is the City of David. This is why the Hebrew prophets speak of a day when the strangers will no longer dwell in the midst of Israel.

Really how about Shem being the King of Salem (Jerusalem) is that not the Jewish belief.

Abraham had 8 sons for those who don't know. Also the OT is mainly made up, nothing historical about it has been found. Jerusalem is not the city of David. the Jews have no more right to Palestine as well the Palestine do who were there before the Judah tribe.

Shem was the son of Noah before the sons of Abraham. God had no promise with Noah's sons.

Gods promise was to the 2 sons of Abraham, not the 2nd wife's sons.
Ishmael would be a Nation.
Isaac would also be a Nation of Kings. ( Gen. 21:5). God's promise was fulfilled, when from the descendants of Isaac, came King Saul, King David and King Solomon.

Really, David was not a Jew and there is no historical evidence of King David or King Solomon, but there is historical evidence for King Cyrus, his Cylinder on display . Let talk about Jewish Kings, Saul was sick, and David committed adultery and had a man killed , and well Solomon had what 500 concubines, I mean according to the Bible. Must of been why King Cyrus comes to the aid of the Israelites as they just couldn't hang onto land.

Who was King David's Mother? Moses sister according to the Jewish ency, but not in the Bible so we have a problem. Moses was a Hebrew , not a Jew. The Bible is not historical.

God is not within the Zionist people. You have no temple although many others have rebuilt it for yous, and where is it, a wailing wall.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

I am not a Middle East scholar. I dabble and have interest. My thoughts are that the British gave a small portion of "Palestine" to the Jews because they were tired of the Irgun terrorizing them. Now legitimized, they, we, penalize the Palestinians because they use terror to attempt to gain freedom. We should all abhor terrorism.

Why does the US support Israel so adamantly? I completely agree that we need a strong ally in the Middle East. But should we look the other way while our ally continuously, with our UN veto protection, defies resolutions regarding their actions and occupation? For biblical reasons? Is the political state of Israel the "great nation" of Abraham? And does the Christian faith support occupation and blockade of a people?

I love Jews. I love Arabs. I love blacks, whites, Mexicans etc. But I'm growing weary of the one sided heavy handed treatment of the poor souls, who are not all terrorists, in Palestine.

Thoughts...

What belongs to whom is decided in conflict. Sad state of affairs but that's how it works. Israel belong to the Jews as has been decided over and over with victory after victory.

Before rubbing gravel through your hair about it ask yourself the same question but using North America. Who's that belong to? Americans or Native Americans? We fought, slew, relocated, and exterminated the Native Indians from their ancestral lands and claimed it for our own. That's how this works. Sucks, but it's how it works.

 

[irosie91]

Really how about Shem being the King of Salem (Jerusalem) is that not the Jewish belief.

Abraham had 8 sons for those who don't know. Also the OT is mainly made up, nothing historical about it has been found. Jerusalem is not the city of David. the Jews have no more right to Palestine as well the Palestine do who were there before the Judah tribe.

Really, David was not a Jew and there is no historical evidence of King David or King Solomon, but there is historical evidence for King Cyrus, his Cylinder on display . Let talk about Jewish Kings, Saul was sick, and David committed adultery and had a man killed , and well Solomon had what 500 concubines, I mean according to the Bible. Must of been why King Cyrus comes to the aid of the Israelites as they just couldn't hang onto land.

Who was King David's Mother? Moses sister according to the Jewish ency, but not in the Bible so we have a problem. Moses was a Hebrew , not a Jew. The Bible is not historical.

God is not within the Zionist people. You have no temple although many others have rebuilt it for yous, and where is it, a wailing wall.

Penelope---I am not sure----but I think the comments above are all yours. They are all really idiotic.
You need not provide ANY personal information-----but IMO you use of English suggests
that English is not your mother tongue and your comments suggest that you emerged from a
very uneducated "culture" I do not blame you at all I have known lots and lots
of very nice people who simply DO NOT KNOW----this or that. Feel free to ask specific
questions ------I suggest that you not make DECLARATIONS on subjects about which you are
completely ignorant In the course of my life I have encountered persons of cultures I do not
know----like Hindus, Sikhs, "Jains" etc etc I do not make declarations about their
religions or histories

 

[peach174]

Really, David was not a Jew and there is no historical evidence of King David or King Solomon, but there is historical evidence for King Cyrus, his Cylinder on display . Let talk about Jewish Kings, Saul was sick, and David committed adultery and had a man killed , and well Solomon had what 500 concubines, I mean according to the Bible. Must of been why King Cyrus comes to the aid of the Israelites as they just couldn't hang onto land.

Who was King David's Mother? Moses sister according to the Jewish ency, but not in the Bible so we have a problem. Moses was a Hebrew , not a Jew. The Bible is not historical.

God is not within the Zionist people. You have no temple although many others have rebuilt it for yous, and where is it, a wailing wall.

Penelope---I am not sure----but I think the comments above are all yours. They are all really idiotic.
You need not provide ANY personal information-----but IMO you use of English suggests
that English is not your mother tongue and your comments suggest that you emerged from a
very uneducated "culture" I do not blame you at all I have known lots and lots
of very nice people who simply DO NOT KNOW----this or that. Feel free to ask specific
questions ------I suggest that you not make DECLARATIONS on subjects about which you are
completely ignorant In the course of my life I have encountered persons of cultures I do not
know----like Hindus, Sikhs, "Jains" etc etc I do not make declarations about their
religions or histories

Yep
Those are both Penelope's quotes not mine.
It looks like something messed up when it was posted.
It messed up when I answered back to irosie91

 

[Delta4Embassy]

If people need a religious reason why Israel belongs to the Jews,

1. When the Lord, your God, brings you into the land to which you are coming to possess it, He will cast away many nations from before you: the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivvites, and the Jebusites, seven nations more numerous and powerful that you.
2. And the Lord, your God, will deliver them to you, and you shall smite them. You shall utterly destroy them; neither shall you make a covenant with them, nor be gracious to them.
- Deuteronomy 7

If this isn't 'true' then both Christianity and Islam crumble to dust since both rely entirely on the validity of Judaism.

 

[peach174]

If people need a religious reason why Israel belongs to the Jews,

1. When the Lord, your God, brings you into the land to which you are coming to possess it, He will cast away many nations from before you: the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivvites, and the Jebusites, seven nations more numerous and powerful that you.
2. And the Lord, your God, will deliver them to you, and you shall smite them. You shall utterly destroy them; neither shall you make a covenant with them, nor be gracious to them.
- Deuteronomy 7

If this isn't 'true' then both Christianity and Islam crumble to dust since both rely entirely on the validity of Judaism.

Both Holy Books say that the land belongs to the Jews.

 

[irosie91]

SHOOTING OVER 2000 ROCKETS INTO TINY ISRAEL THE LAST TWO WEEKS HAS A HIGH PRICE!!!HUH?? War is hell!!!!

Their little firecrackers, are you kidding. the suicide bombers did more than the rockets Hamas has.

The Iron Dome may be just a waste of money, let throw a real bomb at it.

May all the children dear to you play in the vicinity of those fire crackers PENELOPE.
The "fire crackers" are very effective ------in reference to children. The skull of a human
is not fully ossified until the human is well into the second decade of life----the younger
the human the softer the skull. The skull of a baby is so soft it can DENT.
The fire crackers used by Penelope's colleagues are so designed that they cast
metal fragments----sharpened and often soaked in Coumadin----in a wide radius----
close to the ground ----just right for piercing the relatively soft skull of a child----thus
are dead lots of children in many parts of the world-------as Penelope giggles---"firecrackers"

the good news is ---the fire crackers do not penetrate walls nor can they knock
buildings down------their most EFFECTIVE function is killing or rendering brain damaged--
children for the glory of the pile of dung Penelope worships. Israelis pack their kids into
very simple shelters-----some of them just fortified rooms out of the reach of the Coumadin
soaked nails that Penelope so likes. The suicide dogs and sluts use a similar technique
in murdering people------even the DOGS BOSTONI-----used it in their pressure cooker
bomb made in honor of allah -----OH!!! ---CORRECTION----------the pressure cooker fire cracker.
Of course suicide sluts and dogs who tie the bombs to their own asses---are most effective

 

[Penelope]

SHOOTING OVER 2000 ROCKETS INTO TINY ISRAEL THE LAST TWO WEEKS HAS A HIGH PRICE!!!HUH?? War is hell!!!!

Their little firecrackers, are you kidding. the suicide bombers did more than the rockets Hamas has.

The Iron Dome may be just a waste of money, let throw a real bomb at it.

May all the children dear to you play in the vicinity of those fire crackers PENELOPE.
The "fire crackers" are very effective ------in reference to children. The skull of a human
is not fully ossified until the human is well into the second decade of life----the younger
the human the softer the skull. The skull of a baby is so soft it can DENT.
The fire crackers used by Penelope's colleagues are so designed that they cast
metal fragments----sharpened and often soaked in Coumadin----in a wide radius----
close to the ground ----just right for piercing the relatively soft skull of a child----thus
are dead lots of children in many parts of the world-------as Penelope giggles---"firecrackers"

the good news is ---the fire crackers do not penetrate walls nor can they knock
buildings down------their most EFFECTIVE function is killing or rendering brain damaged--
children for the glory of the pile of dung Penelope worships. Israelis pack their kids into
very simple shelters-----some of them just fortified rooms out of the reach of the Coumadin
soaked nails that Penelope so likes. The suicide dogs and sluts use a similar technique
in murdering people------even the DOGS BOSTONI-----used it in their pressure cooker
bomb made in honor of allah -----OH!!! ---CORRECTION----------the pressure cooker fire cracker.
Of course suicide sluts and dogs who tie the bombs to their own asses---are most effective

They are not my people but they are God's people , just like we all are. I've seen video's fo Jews laughing no school for Gaza tomorrow. Israel will never be seen in the same light, this is the final stain, final battle for yous, no one will ever trust you again, and hopefully the US congressmen will get their spines back. Killing and maiming innocent children, and you stand with them, I feel bad for you.

 

[irosie91]

Their little firecrackers, are you kidding. the suicide bombers did more than the rockets Hamas has.

The Iron Dome may be just a waste of money, let throw a real bomb at it.

May all the children dear to you play in the vicinity of those fire crackers PENELOPE.
The "fire crackers" are very effective ------in reference to children. The skull of a human
is not fully ossified until the human is well into the second decade of life----the younger
the human the softer the skull. The skull of a baby is so soft it can DENT.
The fire crackers used by Penelope's colleagues are so designed that they cast
metal fragments----sharpened and often soaked in Coumadin----in a wide radius----
close to the ground ----just right for piercing the relatively soft skull of a child----thus
are dead lots of children in many parts of the world-------as Penelope giggles---"firecrackers"

the good news is ---the fire crackers do not penetrate walls nor can they knock
buildings down------their most EFFECTIVE function is killing or rendering brain damaged--
children for the glory of the pile of dung Penelope worships. Israelis pack their kids into
very simple shelters-----some of them just fortified rooms out of the reach of the Coumadin
soaked nails that Penelope so likes. The suicide dogs and sluts use a similar technique
in murdering people------even the DOGS BOSTONI-----used it in their pressure cooker
bomb made in honor of allah -----OH!!! ---CORRECTION----------the pressure cooker fire cracker.
Of course suicide sluts and dogs who tie the bombs to their own asses---are most effective

They are not my people but they are God's people , just like we all are. I've seen video's fo Jews laughing no school for Gaza tomorrow. Israel will never be seen in the same light, this is the final stain, final battle for yous, no one will ever trust you again, and hopefully the US congressmen will get their spines back. Killing and maiming innocent children, and you stand with them, I feel bad for you.

you feel bad for ME??? I am not the person who referred to the very same bombs
that have left tens of thousands of children dead in the gutter across the world as
"firecrackers" you laughed when the kids in new dehli were playing near "fire crackers"

you have seen videos of jews saying "no school for gaza" in a time of war? so?
what is your point? I am a jew born in the USA. My father served in the US navy
during world war II. He happily recounted "SINKING THAT GERMAN SHIP" so???

I have seen the autopsy pictures of many children dead of "fire crackers"-----
and a few of the intraoperative videos-----attempts to save some of the victims---
you nauseate me.

did you really mean to write "yous"? You need not reveal anything about your
personal INFO------but could you give me a hint?