The slate sent by the Legislature is the LEGAL slate. But, keep your point handy in case some clown wants to send an additional slate.
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Do YOU support Trump’s last ditch effort to convince Republican state legislatures to APPOINT pro-Trump Electors?
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There were no votes numerously, illegally cast.. absentee votes are NOT illegal.... They have a paper trail, can be hand counted, and were not just mailed to anybody, they required a request for an absentee ballot in Penn, and Mich.Fake News. It's the state Legislatures that lay down the process by which electors will be selected. When they chose to do it by election and then their rules are deliberately not followed so that only legal votes may be cast, then then the outcome that those that decided to change the rules come up with, cannot be presumed to be the intent of the Electorate, rather, it's the intent of those who changed the rules so that illegal votes could be easily and numerously caste.Exactly. It is illegal for state legislatures to send electors to the EC who do not represent the voters as voted.Article 2 - the bottom line.
"Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress; but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector."
Correct. I've posted that article about 22 thousand times. And the Legislatures thereof ALREADY DIRECTED and codified how it works. To disregard their own law would require declaring that the law in effect on November 3 2020, was not in effect on November 3, 2020. That's impossible.
ILLEGAL...
Are we suppose to believe the Trump campaign without any physical proof that the optical readers for these absentee ballots from inner city Detroit etc. switched votes from Trump to Biden?
Here's a hint, Biden in 2020 got a thousand votes LESS THAN Hillary in 2016...
... there's one major glaring problem with Trump's claims of fraud in Detroit...
Democrat Joe Biden actually got fewer votes in Detroit than Hillary Clinton got in 2016. And Clinton got some 40,000 fewer votes in Detroit than Barack Obama did in 2012.
Plus, Trump got more votes in Detroit in 2020 than he did in 2016.
If it's fraud, that would certainly be mismanaged fraud.
Please END THIS CHEATING that YOU and Trump ilk are trying to do, by stealing this election, from the citizens who voted...
Biden got fewer votes than Clinton in Detroit. Why?
With his re-election chances looking bad, President Donald Trump delivered a televised address on Thursday where he baselessly alleged widespread voter fraud, including in Detroit....
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Fake News. There is no acceptable level level of illegal votes.There are not enough votes even being credibly contested to change anything. That has been shown to you and ignored....Fake news. Everu illegal vote steals a legal vote and even ONE stolen vote is too many.
And in Philadelphia, Biden got fewer votes than Hillary did in 2016 too.
If there was any fraud, it was fraud with increased votes for Trump in Philly.
As a threshold matter, it is important to understand how eerily similar the 2020 results in Philadelphia were to 2016. As of Tuesday evening, 743,966 votes for president had been counted in Philadelphia — an increase of 34,348 votes from 2016. This 4.8 percent increase in turnout is less than half of the 11.6 percent increase in turnout seen in the state as a whole.
Not only was the increase in the number of ballots cast in Philadelphia from 2016 to 2020 relatively modest, but Mr. Trump won more votes and a greater percentage of the votes there than he did in 2016. He received 18 percent of the two-party vote this year, up from 15.7 percent in 2016, gaining 24,122 votes. In contrast, Mr. Biden received two percentage points less of the two-party vote in the city than Hillary Clinton did in 2016. If any fraud was attempted in Philadelphia, it failed miserably.
www.nytimes.com
CROOKED DONALD needs to stop this bull crap of burning the house down in anger, and on his way out, because he LOST, FAIR and square.
If there was any fraud, it was fraud with increased votes for Trump in Philly.
As a threshold matter, it is important to understand how eerily similar the 2020 results in Philadelphia were to 2016. As of Tuesday evening, 743,966 votes for president had been counted in Philadelphia — an increase of 34,348 votes from 2016. This 4.8 percent increase in turnout is less than half of the 11.6 percent increase in turnout seen in the state as a whole.
Not only was the increase in the number of ballots cast in Philadelphia from 2016 to 2020 relatively modest, but Mr. Trump won more votes and a greater percentage of the votes there than he did in 2016. He received 18 percent of the two-party vote this year, up from 15.7 percent in 2016, gaining 24,122 votes. In contrast, Mr. Biden received two percentage points less of the two-party vote in the city than Hillary Clinton did in 2016. If any fraud was attempted in Philadelphia, it failed miserably.
Opinion | So, Did ‘Bad Things Happen’ With the Election in Philadelphia? (Published 2020)
Despite President Trump’s message, the evidence shows no signs of fraud.
CROOKED DONALD needs to stop this bull crap of burning the house down in anger, and on his way out, because he LOST, FAIR and square.
Fake News. You guys can't win without cheating, which is why you all worked to remove verification on mail in ballots, used the pandemic to massively boost the number of mail in votes, and now your "winner" is viewed as illegitimate by nearly half of the electorate and nearly a 1/3rd of Democrats.And in Philadelphia, Biden got fewer votes than Hillary did in 2016 too.
If there was any fraud, it was fraud with increased votes for Trump in Philly.
As a threshold matter, it is important to understand how eerily similar the 2020 results in Philadelphia were to 2016. As of Tuesday evening, 743,966 votes for president had been counted in Philadelphia — an increase of 34,348 votes from 2016. This 4.8 percent increase in turnout is less than half of the 11.6 percent increase in turnout seen in the state as a whole.
Not only was the increase in the number of ballots cast in Philadelphia from 2016 to 2020 relatively modest, but Mr. Trump won more votes and a greater percentage of the votes there than he did in 2016. He received 18 percent of the two-party vote this year, up from 15.7 percent in 2016, gaining 24,122 votes. In contrast, Mr. Biden received two percentage points less of the two-party vote in the city than Hillary Clinton did in 2016. If any fraud was attempted in Philadelphia, it failed miserably.
Opinion | So, Did ‘Bad Things Happen’ With the Election in Philadelphia? (Published 2020)
Despite President Trump’s message, the evidence shows no signs of fraud.
CROOKED DONALD needs to stop this bull crap of burning the house down in anger, and on his way out, because he LOST, FAIR and square.
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Yes, people are that stupid:Fake News. You guys can't win without cheating, which is why you all worked to remove verification on mail in ballots, used the pandemic to massively boost the number of mail in votes, and now your "winner" is viewed as illegitimate by nearly half of the electorate and nearly a 1/3rd of Democrats.And in Philadelphia, Biden got fewer votes than Hillary did in 2016 too.
If there was any fraud, it was fraud with increased votes for Trump in Philly.
As a threshold matter, it is important to understand how eerily similar the 2020 results in Philadelphia were to 2016. As of Tuesday evening, 743,966 votes for president had been counted in Philadelphia — an increase of 34,348 votes from 2016. This 4.8 percent increase in turnout is less than half of the 11.6 percent increase in turnout seen in the state as a whole.
Not only was the increase in the number of ballots cast in Philadelphia from 2016 to 2020 relatively modest, but Mr. Trump won more votes and a greater percentage of the votes there than he did in 2016. He received 18 percent of the two-party vote this year, up from 15.7 percent in 2016, gaining 24,122 votes. In contrast, Mr. Biden received two percentage points less of the two-party vote in the city than Hillary Clinton did in 2016. If any fraud was attempted in Philadelphia, it failed miserably.
Opinion | So, Did ‘Bad Things Happen’ With the Election in Philadelphia? (Published 2020)
Despite President Trump’s message, the evidence shows no signs of fraud.
CROOKED DONALD needs to stop this bull crap of burning the house down in anger, and on his way out, because he LOST, FAIR and square.
Joe*
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Governors cannot veto changes in election laws, nimrod.They can change the law whenever they likeYou addressed nothing. You proved that your an idiot. Only the legislature has authority to make election law. That's what the Constitution says.No. The people do not unless the laws say they do. Under the circumstances as outlined by the laws of the state. Which is what we are talking about.If they don't.....then they no longer possess the constitutional authority to select the electors for that election. The people who vote do.
The thing that decides the factors, is the deciding factor.
One, the law says they do.
Two, if the state legislatures can't take back their authority from the people to decide how electors are selected.....then that authority is not longer the State Legislatures for that election. That authority is possessed by the people who voted.
Where is that written, douchebag? The state legislature always has the authority. That's what the Constitution says. You're living in a fantasy land.
You're a true idiot.The decider.....is the body that possesses the authority. Not the body from which the authority was derived.
Otherwise, by your own argument.....the State Legislatures aren't the deciders, the constitution is. As they derive their authority from the Constitution. And since the authority of the Constitution is derived from the consent of the governed.....its the people from which the constitution derives its authority.
With the people, yet again, being the deciders......by your own logic. And certainly by mine.
Read back through the debate for us both addressing that exact issue.
Catch up, then join us.
And once they've made those laws, do the State Legislatures have to abide them?
Sure a state can change it's laws. Governors can veto the change. They cannot switch electors after Dec. 8th.
I stand corrected. Some governor can't, at least on tying the electors to the popular vote. Some state have that in their Constitutions, so of course the Governor will not have the chance to veto a change to a states constitution.
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The slate sent by the Legislature is the LEGAL slate. But, keep your point handy in case some clown wants to send an additional slate.Fake news. Everu illegal vote steals a legal vote and even ONE stolen vote is too many.
There are not enough votes even being credibly contested to change anything. That has been shown to you and ignored.
Newsflash...sending the wrong slate of electors to the EC is ILLEGALTRUMP CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF EVERY LEGAL AVENUE OPEN TO HIM; live with it!!!!
"In Chiafalo, however, the Supreme Court unanimously resolved that history had overtaken the Framers’ design. Nine justices agreed that even if the Framers had assumed that “electors” would be free to cast a vote however they chose, an emerging presumption of democratic control had displaced that original design. Whatever they originally expected, the court held, there was nothing in their words that constrained the power of the state to ensure that it was the choice of the people that would ultimately decide how the electors would vote. Elector discretion had been displaced by democracy. "
State Legislatures Can’t Ignore the Popular Vote in Appointing Electors
The Supreme Court has unanimously undercut the core premise to this argument.
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It doesn't matter what their Constitution says, the US Constitution says the state legislature decides.Governors cannot veto changes in election laws, nimrod.They can change the law whenever they likeYou addressed nothing. You proved that your an idiot. Only the legislature has authority to make election law. That's what the Constitution says.No. The people do not unless the laws say they do. Under the circumstances as outlined by the laws of the state. Which is what we are talking about.If they don't.....then they no longer possess the constitutional authority to select the electors for that election. The people who vote do.
The thing that decides the factors, is the deciding factor.
One, the law says they do.
Two, if the state legislatures can't take back their authority from the people to decide how electors are selected.....then that authority is not longer the State Legislatures for that election. That authority is possessed by the people who voted.
Where is that written, douchebag? The state legislature always has the authority. That's what the Constitution says. You're living in a fantasy land.
You're a true idiot.The decider.....is the body that possesses the authority. Not the body from which the authority was derived.
Otherwise, by your own argument.....the State Legislatures aren't the deciders, the constitution is. As they derive their authority from the Constitution. And since the authority of the Constitution is derived from the consent of the governed.....its the people from which the constitution derives its authority.
With the people, yet again, being the deciders......by your own logic. And certainly by mine.
Read back through the debate for us both addressing that exact issue.
Catch up, then join us.
And once they've made those laws, do the State Legislatures have to abide them?
Sure a state can change it's laws. Governors can veto the change. They cannot switch electors after Dec. 8th.
I stand corrected. Some governor can't, at least on tying the electors to the popular vote. Some state have that in their Constitutions, so of course the Governor will not have the chance to veto a change to a states constitution.
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If that's true, then they ruled incorrectly. Your "presumption" does not override the Constitution.The slate sent by the Legislature is the LEGAL slate. But, keep your point handy in case some clown wants to send an additional slate.Fake news. Everu illegal vote steals a legal vote and even ONE stolen vote is too many.
There are not enough votes even being credibly contested to change anything. That has been shown to you and ignored.
Newsflash...sending the wrong slate of electors to the EC is ILLEGALTRUMP CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF EVERY LEGAL AVENUE OPEN TO HIM; live with it!!!!
"In Chiafalo, however, the Supreme Court unanimously resolved that history had overtaken the Framers’ design. Nine justices agreed that even if the Framers had assumed that “electors” would be free to cast a vote however they chose, an emerging presumption of democratic control had displaced that original design. Whatever they originally expected, the court held, there was nothing in their words that constrained the power of the state to ensure that it was the choice of the people that would ultimately decide how the electors would vote. Elector discretion had been displaced by democracy. "
State Legislatures Can’t Ignore the Popular Vote in Appointing Electors
The Supreme Court has unanimously undercut the core premise to this argument.www.lawfareblog.com
I wonder what most ordinary Republicans would say and do if Trump were to convince Republican-controlled legislatures (as in Georgia & Michigan) to ignore the statewide popular vote for Biden, dismiss it as fraudulent on the basis of no real court-certified evidence, and appoint Republican Electors to re-elect Trump?
That now seems to be his “Plan C.” In the unlikely and god-awful case that he became President in this way, Trump and his Republican supporters would truly be leading us to Civil War. It would be an historical point marking the degeneration of our democratic traditions, and the transformation of our country into a rightwing “Banana Republic.”
Sad to say, this undemocratic attempt at a “coup” is exactly what Trump seems to be trying to do right now, as outlined clearly in this FOX report. Do YOU support such conduct? Where do our Republican USMBers — especially those claiming to be critical of Trump in some ways — stand on such efforts?
Trump to meet Michigan leaders in bid to block Biden victory
Two Michigan state legislators headed to the White House on Friday as President Donald Trump made an extraordinary and sure-to-be futile attempt to block Joe Biden’s victory in the battleground state and subvert the results of the 2020 presidential election.www.fox5dc.com
Yes the more i hear about a biden administration the more it sounds like the old man has gone insane compensating for his white skin tone, old age, and gender
All we're gonna get is a bunch of woke bullshit no one wants instead of something sane like a public option that actually effects employer issued insurance
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It doesn't matter what their Constitution says, the US Constitution says the state legislature decides.Governors cannot veto changes in election laws, nimrod.They can change the law whenever they likeYou addressed nothing. You proved that your an idiot. Only the legislature has authority to make election law. That's what the Constitution says.No. The people do not unless the laws say they do. Under the circumstances as outlined by the laws of the state. Which is what we are talking about.If they don't.....then they no longer possess the constitutional authority to select the electors for that election. The people who vote do.
The thing that decides the factors, is the deciding factor.
One, the law says they do.
Two, if the state legislatures can't take back their authority from the people to decide how electors are selected.....then that authority is not longer the State Legislatures for that election. That authority is possessed by the people who voted.
Where is that written, douchebag? The state legislature always has the authority. That's what the Constitution says. You're living in a fantasy land.
You're a true idiot.The decider.....is the body that possesses the authority. Not the body from which the authority was derived.
Otherwise, by your own argument.....the State Legislatures aren't the deciders, the constitution is. As they derive their authority from the Constitution. And since the authority of the Constitution is derived from the consent of the governed.....its the people from which the constitution derives its authority.
With the people, yet again, being the deciders......by your own logic. And certainly by mine.
Read back through the debate for us both addressing that exact issue.
Catch up, then join us.
And once they've made those laws, do the State Legislatures have to abide them?
Sure a state can change it's laws. Governors can veto the change. They cannot switch electors after Dec. 8th.
I stand corrected. Some governor can't, at least on tying the electors to the popular vote. Some state have that in their Constitutions, so of course the Governor will not have the chance to veto a change to a states constitution.
The manner in which they all have decided, in statute or law is by popular vote. They can't change their minds after election day because their party lost.
Her point is fake news. She is citing a court case that applies to the actions of the Electors and claiming, without support, that it applies to the Legislature.If that's true, then they ruled incorrectly. Your "presumption" does not override the Constitution.The slate sent by the Legislature is the LEGAL slate. But, keep your point handy in case some clown wants to send an additional slate.Fake news. Everu illegal vote steals a legal vote and even ONE stolen vote is too many.
There are not enough votes even being credibly contested to change anything. That has been shown to you and ignored.
Newsflash...sending the wrong slate of electors to the EC is ILLEGALTRUMP CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF EVERY LEGAL AVENUE OPEN TO HIM; live with it!!!!
"In Chiafalo, however, the Supreme Court unanimously resolved that history had overtaken the Framers’ design. Nine justices agreed that even if the Framers had assumed that “electors” would be free to cast a vote however they chose, an emerging presumption of democratic control had displaced that original design. Whatever they originally expected, the court held, there was nothing in their words that constrained the power of the state to ensure that it was the choice of the people that would ultimately decide how the electors would vote. Elector discretion had been displaced by democracy. "
State Legislatures Can’t Ignore the Popular Vote in Appointing Electors
The Supreme Court has unanimously undercut the core premise to this argument.
Electors =/= Legislators.
That's right. While 75% of the Legislatures acting in concert may amend the Constitution, on state, acting on their own, has no similar power to do so.It doesn't matter what their Constitution says, the US Constitution says the state legislature decides.Governors cannot veto changes in election laws, nimrod.They can change the law whenever they likeYou addressed nothing. You proved that your an idiot. Only the legislature has authority to make election law. That's what the Constitution says.No. The people do not unless the laws say they do. Under the circumstances as outlined by the laws of the state. Which is what we are talking about.If they don't.....then they no longer possess the constitutional authority to select the electors for that election. The people who vote do.
The thing that decides the factors, is the deciding factor.
One, the law says they do.
Two, if the state legislatures can't take back their authority from the people to decide how electors are selected.....then that authority is not longer the State Legislatures for that election. That authority is possessed by the people who voted.
Where is that written, douchebag? The state legislature always has the authority. That's what the Constitution says. You're living in a fantasy land.
You're a true idiot.The decider.....is the body that possesses the authority. Not the body from which the authority was derived.
Otherwise, by your own argument.....the State Legislatures aren't the deciders, the constitution is. As they derive their authority from the Constitution. And since the authority of the Constitution is derived from the consent of the governed.....its the people from which the constitution derives its authority.
With the people, yet again, being the deciders......by your own logic. And certainly by mine.
Read back through the debate for us both addressing that exact issue.
Catch up, then join us.
And once they've made those laws, do the State Legislatures have to abide them?
Sure a state can change it's laws. Governors can veto the change. They cannot switch electors after Dec. 8th.
I stand corrected. Some governor can't, at least on tying the electors to the popular vote. Some state have that in their Constitutions, so of course the Governor will not have the chance to veto a change to a states constitution.
I wonder what most ordinary Republicans would say and do if Trump were to convince Republican-controlled legislatures (as in Georgia & Michigan) to ignore the statewide popular vote for Biden, dismiss it as fraudulent on the basis of no real court-certified evidence, and appoint Republican Electors to re-elect Trump?
That now seems to be his “Plan C.” In the unlikely and god-awful case that he became President in this way, Trump and his Republican supporters would truly be leading us to Civil War. It would be an historical point marking the degeneration of our democratic traditions, and the transformation of our country into a rightwing “Banana Republic.”
Sad to say, this undemocratic attempt at a “coup” is exactly what Trump seems to be trying to do right now, as outlined clearly in this FOX report. Do YOU support such conduct? Where do our Republican USMBers — especially those claiming to be critical of Trump in some ways — stand on such efforts?
Trump to meet Michigan leaders in bid to block Biden victory
Two Michigan state legislators headed to the White House on Friday as President Donald Trump made an extraordinary and sure-to-be futile attempt to block Joe Biden’s victory in the battleground state and subvert the results of the 2020 presidential election.
No I do not support it. I do support a complete accounting of what happened in this election so people will have confidence in the system.
Weird how the fascistic Left has no interest in that, and seems to want to pull all the stops to prevent that.I wonder what most ordinary Republicans would say and do if Trump were to convince Republican-controlled legislatures (as in Georgia & Michigan) to ignore the statewide popular vote for Biden, dismiss it as fraudulent on the basis of no real court-certified evidence, and appoint Republican Electors to re-elect Trump?
That now seems to be his “Plan C.” In the unlikely and god-awful case that he became President in this way, Trump and his Republican supporters would truly be leading us to Civil War. It would be an historical point marking the degeneration of our democratic traditions, and the transformation of our country into a rightwing “Banana Republic.”
Sad to say, this undemocratic attempt at a “coup” is exactly what Trump seems to be trying to do right now, as outlined clearly in this FOX report. Do YOU support such conduct? Where do our Republican USMBers — especially those claiming to be critical of Trump in some ways — stand on such efforts?
Trump to meet Michigan leaders in bid to block Biden victory
Two Michigan state legislators headed to the White House on Friday as President Donald Trump made an extraordinary and sure-to-be futile attempt to block Joe Biden’s victory in the battleground state and subvert the results of the 2020 presidential election.
No I do not support it. I do support a complete accounting of what happened in this election so people will have confidence in the system.
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The U.S. Constitution does not specify procedures for the nomination of candidates for presidential elector. The two most common methods the states have adopted are nomination by state party convention and by state party committee. Generally, the parties select members known for their loyalty and service to the party, such as party leaders, state and local elected officials and party activists. In some states, the electors’ names appear on the ballot along with the names of the candidates for president and vice president. However, in most states, electors' names are not printed on the ballot. When a voter casts a vote for a candidate for President of the United States, s/he is in actuality casting a vote for the presidential electors who were selected by that candidate's party.The slate sent by the Legislature is the LEGAL slate. But, keep your point handy in case some clown wants to send an additional slate.
It is ILLEGAL to sent a slate of electors that do not represent the popular vote
It specifies that the State legislatures will specify the process while making the point ha Congress may, if they chose to.The U.S. Constitution does not specify procedures for the nomination of candidates for presidential elector...The slate sent by the Legislature is the LEGAL slate. But, keep your point handy in case some clown wants to send an additional slate.
ILLEGAL votes to not represent the LEGAL electorate. You seem to have a deep seated aversion to this obvious point. Why is that?... It is ILLEGAL to sent a slate of electors that do not represent the popular vote
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