Let's talk about the oft repeated phrase "a threat to democracy" we believe trump presents.

[berg80]

Trump plans to subvert elections by sneakily having more people vote for him.

trump plans on subverting elections by having election officials refuse to certify the results. The same officials who have previously refused to do so when they don't like the way people vote.

 

[Cellblock2429]

You've become so well practiced at denying reality I don't think you realize when you are doing it anymore.

/—-/ You’re entitled to your opinion about Trump’s speech, but I highly doubt you listened to it, maybe an edited version but not the whole thing.
So, call it rambling all you want, but it doesn’t make it true.

 

[SeaMajor7]

You've become so well practiced at denying reality I don't think you realize when you are doing it anymore.

IRONY

 

[EvilCat Breath]

trump plans on subverting elections by having election officials refuse to certify the results. The same officials who have previously refused to do so when they don't like the way people vote.

If the results contain votes that should be disqualified they should not be certified.

 

[berg80]

So, call it rambling all you want, but it doesn’t make it true.

You're right about that. Me calling it rambling doesn't make it so. What makes it so is the objective reality of the speech's rambling nature. Something the stable genius is known for. People were leaving the building as he spoke.

 

[berg80]

If the results contain votes that should be disqualified they should not be certified.

The election officials who refused to certify previous elections had no grounds to do so.

 

[Cellblock2429]

You're right about that. Me calling it rambling doesn't make it so. What makes it so is the objective reality of the speech's rambling nature. Something the stable genius is known for. People were leaving the building as he spoke.

/—-/ People leave ball games early too, only to learn there was a surprise upset.

 

[berg80]

/—-/ People leave ball games early too, only to learn there was a surprise upset.

They were bored because he was rambling aimlessly.

 

[dblack]

The biggest problem with democracy is the two-party system. The fear-mongering has reached such a fever pitch that neither side can accept defeat. Whichever side loses will go into full-blown denial and refuse to accept the results.

Democracy depends on the consent of the governed, which means consent of those who didn't support the winner. When that fails, when half the people (or anything close to half of the people) are chanting "not my President", democracy can't work.

 

[surada]

I can think of actions which were equally as bad. Yes what Trump did was inexcusable but let's not forget, Obama sent someone out (James Clapper) to lie under oath concerning his unconstitutional spying on American citizens.

I could point out weaponizing the IRS also.

I imagine we could make a very long list.

We have monitored communication in and out of Russian embassies worldwide for decades.

 

[RoshawnMarkwees]

You democrats don’t even abide by your own voting so WTF would you know about democracy anyway?
******* hypocrites deluxe.

 

[surada]

I can think of actions which were equally as bad. Yes what Trump did was inexcusable but let's not forget, Obama sent someone out (James Clapper) to lie under oath concerning his unconstitutional spying on American citizens.

I could point out weaponizing the IRS also.

I imagine we could make a very long list.

We have intercepted Russian embassy communications worldwide at least since 1968. It's SOP.

 

[surada]

That didn't start with Trump, it has been the unwritten rule since the country was founded, As I said, anyone who knows history, knows that Trump is not a threat to democracy.

Trump has Alzheimer's like his father.

 

[berg80]

If the results contain votes that should be disqualified they should not be certified.

Not really. Hypothetically speaking, if candidate X receives 5M votes and candidate Y receives 4M votes, with 8 votes having found to be fraudulent, what grounds are there not to certify the vote?

 

[berg80]

I can think of actions which were equally as bad. Yes what Trump did was inexcusable but let's not forget, Obama sent someone out (James Clapper) to lie under oath concerning his unconstitutional spying on American citizens.

I could point out weaponizing the IRS also.

I imagine we could make a very long list.

I would be interested in seeing your proof that "Obama sent someone out (Clapper) to lie under oath."

Or for that matter feel free to try to prove the IRS was weaponized.

Apparently, odd myths die hard in trumpworld.

 

[pknopp]

We have monitored communication in and out of Russian embassies worldwide for decades.

Now if you wish to make an op topic reply......................

 

[pknopp]

I would be interested in seeing your proof that "Obama sent someone out (Clapper) to lie under oath."

Or for that matter feel free to try to prove the IRS was weaponized.

Apparently, odd myths die hard in trumpworld.

Yeah, that's me, a huge Trump supporter. You are no better when it comes to defending the undefendable.

James Clapper Lied to Congress About NSA Surveillance. He Should Be Fired.

Obama administration. Obama did nothing.

 

[berg80]

Democrats are suing to block a series of new rules recently enacted by the Trump-endorsed Georgia State Election Board.

The lawsuit was filed in Fulton County on Monday by the Democratic National Committee, the Georgia Democratic Party and Democratic members of several election boards. The plaintiffs are asking the court to pause enforcement of the rules and to declare that, according to Georgia law, election board members do not have the power to delay certification or to not certify results at all.

“According to their drafters, these rules rest on the assumption that certification of election results by a county board is discretionary and subject to free-ranging inquiry that may delay certification or foreclose it entirely,” the lawsuit states. “But that is not the law in Georgia. Rather, election officials have a non-discretionary duty to certify results by 5 p.m. six days after election day. Allegations of fraud or election misconduct are then resolved by the courts in properly filed challenges, not by county boards in the counting process.”

At the heart of the legal challenge are two new rules that were both passed by the Georgia Election Board — which has three Trump-backed, election-denying members — earlier this month.

Dems Mount Legal Challenge Against Trump-Backed Georgia Election Board’s New Rules

Democrats are suing to block a series of new rules recently enacted by the Trump-endorsed Georgia State Election Board. The lawsuit was filed in Fulton County on Monday by the Democratic National…

talkingpointsmemo.com

Repubs have been preparing the ground for refusing to certify the election if Harris wins.

 

[Faun]

If the results contain votes that should be disqualified they should not be certified.

That's not up to local election officials to decide on their own. You gonna be ok if Democratic canvassers refuse to certify election results in states Trump wins?

 

[berg80]

Yeah, that's me, a huge Trump supporter. You are no better when it comes to defending the undefendable.

James Clapper Lied to Congress About NSA Surveillance. He Should Be Fired.

Obama administration. Obama did nothing.

He thought he was being asked about Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, when he was being asked about Section 215 of the Patriot Act.