Do You Feel America Won The Vietnam War?

[Vandalshandle]

.With Walter Cronkite it was shoot the messenger from the war hawks. Cronkite was stating the obvious. The war was lost.

If that's true how come the NVA didn't know it, you sack of shit draft-dodging coward? They threw everything and the kitchen sink at us during Tet 1 & 2 and got chewed up and spit out. We had clear sailing to Hanoi but according to Cronkite, who was put out of the loop for his drinking and leftist sympathies, they'd surprised us during a cease-fire they'd begged us for and were destined to win. Walter was Tokyo Rose and Hanoi Jane rolled up into one fat-assed alcoholic moron with a microphone.

Bull (Aka, Rambo) wants a rematch.....

 

[JakeStarkey]

No, we did not win the war though we won every major battle.

If we invaded NV, we could have won the war.

The problem, similar to the Korean War, was we had no idea if Red China would have actively interfered with "volunteers".

 

[BullKurtz]

Bull (Aka, Rambo) wants a rematch.....

And you want something bigger than a Honda 90 to ride eh, aka Jax?

 

[Vandalshandle]

Bull (Aka, Rambo) wants a rematch.....

And you want something bigger than a Honda 90 to ride eh, aka Jax?

Walter Cronkite is dead now, so this time, it will be a cake walk for you. I am curious, though...have you figured out why we were there in the first place?

 

[BullKurtz]

Walter Cronkite is dead now, so this time, it will be a cake walk for you. I am curious, though...have you figured out why we were there in the first place?

Stay curious dickwad.

 

[nodoginnafight]

ah the tell-tale profanity laced exit of defeat

 

[rightwinger]

.With Walter Cronkite it was shoot the messenger from the war hawks. Cronkite was stating the obvious. The war was lost.

If that's true how come the NVA didn't know it, you sack of shit draft-dodging coward? They threw everything and the kitchen sink at us during Tet 1 & 2 and got chewed up and spit out. We had clear sailing to Hanoi but according to Cronkite, who was put out of the loop for his drinking and leftist sympathies, they'd surprised us during a cease-fire they'd begged us for and were destined to win. Walter was Tokyo Rose and Hanoi Jane rolled up into one fat-assed alcoholic moron with a microphone.

Do you have difficulties reading entire posts?

Not necessarily on the battlefield but on the homefront. Americans were realizing that they had been lied to. Lied to about the reasons for war, lied to about our prospects of victory, lied to about the threat
Americans began to ask....Is it worth it to lose over 50,000 of our boys just to "win"?
The answer then and the answer now is......NO

I thank you for your service in VietNam, you are indeed a great American deserving our respect

But you, and your buddies were betrayed by your government and your leadership. You were placed in a situation that was not "winnable" either politically or militarily. We fought VietNam as part of the Cold War when in fact, it was a Civil War.

 

[BullKurtz]

.With Walter Cronkite it was shoot the messenger from the war hawks. Cronkite was stating the obvious. The war was lost.

If that's true how come the NVA didn't know it, you sack of shit draft-dodging coward? They threw everything and the kitchen sink at us during Tet 1 & 2 and got chewed up and spit out. We had clear sailing to Hanoi but according to Cronkite, who was put out of the loop for his drinking and leftist sympathies, they'd surprised us during a cease-fire they'd begged us for and were destined to win. Walter was Tokyo Rose and Hanoi Jane rolled up into one fat-assed alcoholic moron with a microphone.

Do you have difficulties reading entire posts?

Not necessarily on the battlefield but on the homefront. Americans were realizing that they had been lied to. Lied to about the reasons for war, lied to about our prospects of victory, lied to about the threat
Americans began to ask....Is it worth it to lose over 50,000 of our boys just to "win"?
The answer then and the answer now is......NO

I thank you for your service in VietNam, you are indeed a great American deserving our respect

But you, and your buddies were betrayed by your government and your leadership. You were placed in a situation that was not "winnable" either politically or militarily. We fought VietNam as part of the Cold War when in fact, it was a Civil War.

No, it was not a civil war...you think you know these things but you know nothing....it was an invasion of a prosperous south by a destitute north with the help of a 5th column communist insurgency. The communists gave the south mass murder, torture, rape, and took their sons as conscripts. You have no idea of the depravity we saw them commit on innocent hamlets who wouldn't side with them. They were butchers and yet you glorify them as "freedom fighters"....Cronkite and the rest hated LBJ and were determined to lose his war.

 

[rightwinger]

.With Walter Cronkite it was shoot the messenger from the war hawks. Cronkite was stating the obvious. The war was lost.

If that's true how come the NVA didn't know it, you sack of shit draft-dodging coward? They threw everything and the kitchen sink at us during Tet 1 & 2 and got chewed up and spit out. We had clear sailing to Hanoi but according to Cronkite, who was put out of the loop for his drinking and leftist sympathies, they'd surprised us during a cease-fire they'd begged us for and were destined to win. Walter was Tokyo Rose and Hanoi Jane rolled up into one fat-assed alcoholic moron with a microphone.

Do you have difficulties reading entire posts?

Not necessarily on the battlefield but on the homefront. Americans were realizing that they had been lied to. Lied to about the reasons for war, lied to about our prospects of victory, lied to about the threat
Americans began to ask....Is it worth it to lose over 50,000 of our boys just to "win"?
The answer then and the answer now is......NO

I thank you for your service in VietNam, you are indeed a great American deserving our respect

But you, and your buddies were betrayed by your government and your leadership. You were placed in a situation that was not "winnable" either politically or militarily. We fought VietNam as part of the Cold War when in fact, it was a Civil War.

No, it was not a civil war...you think you know these things but you know nothing....it was an invasion of a prosperous south by a destitute north with the help of a 5th column communist insurgency. The communists gave the south mass murder, torture, rape, and took their sons as conscripts. You have no idea of the depravity we saw them commit on innocent hamlets who wouldn't side with them. They were butchers and yet you glorify them as "freedom fighters"....Cronkite and the rest hated LBJ and were determined to lose his war.

They had been fighting their civil war since the French. It had nothing to do with the fight between good and evil that we were sold

We sent 60,000 boys to their deaths all so that LBJ would not be President when Vietnam fell. That honor went to Jerry Ford

Start to finish it was a cluster **** and we had no business being there

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yes, it was a national insurgency going back to the 1920s.

Yes, it was a civil war between North and South.

No, we could not "win" the war without knowing what Red China would do if we invaded the North.

The massive corruption by SV leadership was an important contributing factor to the war's loss.

 

[BullKurtz]

Yes, it was a national insurgency going back to the 1920s.

Yes, it was a civil war between North and South.

No, we could not "win" the war without knowing what Red China would do if we invaded the North.

The massive corruption by SV leadership was an important contributing factor to the war's loss.

You were not there, you don't know shit, STFU

 

[Bush92]

Liberal politicians and news media lost the war after major US victory during Tet 1968.

 

[BullKurtz]

.They had been fighting their civil war since the French. It had nothing to do with the fight between good and evil that we were sold

We sent 60,000 boys to their deaths all so that LBJ would not be President when Vietnam fell. That honor went to Jerry Ford

Start to finish it was a cluster **** and we had no business being there

You weren't there, you continue squealing about what your hippy college profs told you....you have no idea how stupid you sound to somebody who saw it with their own eyes.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Yes, it was a national insurgency going back to the 1920s.

Yes, it was a civil war between North and South.

No, we could not "win" the war without knowing what Red China would do if we invaded the North.

The massive corruption by SV leadership was an important contributing factor to the war's loss.

You were not there, you don't know shit, STFU

Yup, I was happily in Korea. But neither you nor I were veterans of the War of Independence, and I can tell you exactly why we won with similarities to our loss in Vietnam. Being present means nothing, Bull, other than to you and your feelings. Yes, the NVA and the VC were the bad guys, for sure.

 

[BullKurtz]

Liberal politicians and news media lost the war after major US victory during Tet 1968.

There were legitimate concerns an invasion as far north as Hanoi could bring the russians into the conflict but so what? They already were funding the war and sending their spetsnaz in as advisors. It was a cold war showdown neither side could back down from....we may have given them the RVN but our effort there saved Thailand....we knew what the NVA would do to Cambodia,,, the KR were terrified of them as well they should have been. Laos? that's like north korea...nobody really knows what goes on there.

 

[rightwinger]

.They had been fighting their civil war since the French. It had nothing to do with the fight between good and evil that we were sold

We sent 60,000 boys to their deaths all so that LBJ would not be President when Vietnam fell. That honor went to Jerry Ford

Start to finish it was a cluster **** and we had no business being there

You weren't there, you continue squealing about what your hippy college profs told you....you have no idea how stupid you sound to somebody who saw it with their own eyes.

I honor you for your service....You can undoubtedly teach us much from your service in Vietnam

Can you justify the Gulf of Tonkin?
Do you support the inflation of casualty reports?
As a soldier did you have an idea of what our strategy for victory would be?
After 60,000 deaths, how many more deaths would have been needed to gain victory?
Would additional deaths have been worth it?

 

[BullKurtz]

Can you justify the Gulf of Tonkin?
Do you support the inflation of casualty reports?
As a soldier did you have an idea of what our strategy for victory would be?
After 60,000 deaths, how many more deaths would have been needed to gain victory?
Would additional deaths have been worth it?

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[rightwinger]

Can you justify the Gulf of Tonkin?
Do you support the inflation of casualty reports?
As a soldier did you have an idea of what our strategy for victory would be?
After 60,000 deaths, how many more deaths would have been needed to gain victory?
Would additional deaths have been worth it?

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But Bull....YOU were there

You should have all the answers

 

[Vandalshandle]

The entire premise of the Vietnam war was to help prop up the government of South Vietnam from the onslaught of the North. Unfortunately for us, hardly any of us noticed that the entire South Vietnamese government was so corrupt that not even the citizens of the South supported them. Consequently, there was absolutely no hope of winning a war with the impossible political situation. In short, The North Vietnamese were fighting for their government, while the South Vietnamese were asking us to fight for their government, in which they, themselves, had no faith at all.

 

[Roadrunner]

The entire premise of the Vietnam war was to help prop up the government of South Vietnam from the onslaught of the North. Unfortunately for us, hardly any of us noticed that the entire South Vietnamese government was so corrupt that not even the citizens of the South supported them. Consequently, there was absolutely no hope of winning a war with the impossible political situation. In short, The North Vietnamese were fighting for their government, while the South Vietnamese were asking us to fight for their government, in which they, themselves, had no faith at all.

Simply put, it was the third war France suckered us into.