Rep. Massie Debates Iran War Powers Resolution

[YoursTruly]

War powers are very specific in the US constitution. But our politicians now days, on both sides, don't seem to care about the constitution. Or the things that are supposed to keep us a Constitutional Republic instead of a democracy or anything else.

Here, Massie lines out the president constitutional authority to wage war. And congress's responsibility to give the president authorization.

There are 3 constitutional conditions in the 1973 war powers act that must me met. And so far, none have been met. And yet Trump (and other presidents) have been allowed to wage war just because they want to.

Trump doesn't like the idea of the USA being Constitutional Republic anymore than the democrats did.

There's some very important information in Massie's speech, pertaining to the constitution.

 

[pknopp]

I hope he runs for president and if he wins doesn't become someone else like the rest have done.

 

[Cellblock2429]

War powers are very specific in the US constitution. But our politicians now days, on both sides, don't seem to care about the constitution. Or the things that are supposed to keep us a Constitutional Republic instead of a democracy or anything else.

Here, Massie lines out the president constitutional authority to wage war. And congress's responsibility to give the president authorization.

There are 3 constitutional conditions in the 1973 war powers act that must me met. And so far, none have been met. And yet Trump (and other presidents) have been allowed to wage war just because they want to.

Trump doesn't like the idea of the USA being Constitutional Republic anymore than the democrats did.

There's some very important information in Massie's speech, pertaining to the constitution.

/----/ Complete nonsense.

 

[YoursTruly]

I hope he runs for president and if he wins doesn't become someone else like the rest have done.

You know what the RNC does to actual conservatives........

 

[YoursTruly]

/----/ Complete nonsense.
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That's it. Blame the democrats.

 

[theHawk]

There are 3 constitutional conditions in the 1973 war powers act that must me met. And so far, none have been met. And yet Trump (and other presidents) have been allowed to wage war just because they want to.

Massie is an idiot.

The War Powers Act of 1973 requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours after hostilities start, which President Trump did.

It requires the President to withdraw forces after 60-90 day (30 day extension for “safety”) if Congress does not approve.

Have we passed 90 days?

Even when that time comes up, what exactly are we going to withdraw from? We haven’t invaded with ground troops. There is no obligation to withdraw our own troops from our own bases from the region. Nor would there be a requirement to withdraw the Navy from the area.

Meanwhile if they get attacked by Iran, the President has the right to authorize retaliation.

So the War Powers Act has no teeth here. President Trump could just restart a new clock after a set time of peace, even if one day, then notify Congress again.

 

[Cellblock2429]

That's it. Blame the democrats.

/----/ If the shoe fits....

 

[YoursTruly]

Massie is an idiot.

The War Powers Act of 1973 requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours after hostilities start, which President Trump did.

It requires the President to withdraw forces after 60-90 day (30 day extension for “safety”) if Congress does not approve.

Have we passed 90 days?

Even when that time comes up, what exactly are we going to withdraw from? We haven’t invaded with ground troops. There is no obligation to withdraw our own troops from our own bases from the region. Nor would there be a requirement to withdraw the Navy from the area.

Meanwhile if they get attacked by Iran, the President has the right to authorize retaliation.

So the War Powers Act has no teeth here. President Trump could just restart a new clock after a set time of peace, even if one day, then notify Congress again.

The "War Powers Act of 1973," is unconstitutional. But Trump still hasn't met the requirements. And neither have the other recent presidents since 1973.


War Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. § 1541(c)), which was enacted in 1973 to limit the President's ability to commit U.S. forces to hostilities without congressional involvement. Specifically:

1. Declaration of war by Congress: This is the formal constitutional mechanism under Article I, Section 8, where Congress explicitly declares war.
2. Specific statutory authorization: This could include laws like an Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF), such as those passed after 9/11 for actions against al-Qaeda and associated forces, or for the Iraq War.
3. National emergency from an attack: This covers defensive responses to direct attacks on the United States, its territories, possessions, or armed forces—essentially allowing the President to act unilaterally in immediate self-defense without prior approval.

 

[theHawk]

The "War Powers Act of 1973," is unconstitutional. But Trump still hasn't met the requirements. And neither have the other recent presidents since 1973.


War Powers Resolution (50 U.S.C. § 1541(c)), which was enacted in 1973 to limit the President's ability to commit U.S. forces to hostilities without congressional involvement. Specifically:

1. Declaration of war by Congress: This is the formal constitutional mechanism under Article I, Section 8, where Congress explicitly declares war.
2. Specific statutory authorization: This could include laws like an Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF), such as those passed after 9/11 for actions against al-Qaeda and associated forces, or for the Iraq War.
3. National emergency from an attack: This covers defensive responses to direct attacks on the United States, its territories, possessions, or armed forces—essentially allowing the President to act unilaterally in immediate self-defense without prior approval.

You conveniently left out the provisions that allow the President to use military force in major operations without congressional consent to 60 to 90 days.

 

[martybegan]

Massie is an idiot.

The War Powers Act of 1973 requires the President to notify Congress within 48 hours after hostilities start, which President Trump did.

It requires the President to withdraw forces after 60-90 day (30 day extension for “safety”) if Congress does not approve.

Have we passed 90 days?

Even when that time comes up, what exactly are we going to withdraw from? We haven’t invaded with ground troops. There is no obligation to withdraw our own troops from our own bases from the region. Nor would there be a requirement to withdraw the Navy from the area.

Meanwhile if they get attacked by Iran, the President has the right to authorize retaliation.

So the War Powers Act has no teeth here. President Trump could just restart a new clock after a set time of peace, even if one day, then notify Congress again.

Has the war powers act ever been litigated to the Supreme Court?

I know Presidents of both parties have claimed the WPA is Unconstitutional.

 

[TNHarley]

The "War Powers Act of 1973," is unconstitutional.

All of our war mongering since WW2 has been unconstitutional. People just dont care. As long as its their guy doing it, nothing else matters.
Tribalism is a disease.

 

[theHawk]

All of our war mongering since WW2 has been unconstitutional. People just dont care. As long as its their guy doing it, nothing else matters.
Tribalism is a disease.

Where in the Constitution does it forbid “warmongering”? That’s a very subjective term.

“Tribalism” is human nature. We gravitate towards those like us. We form bonds with things that are shared. “Multiculturalism” is a pipe dream and will never work. It’s been an utter failure wherever it was implemented. It only divides and destroys, because tribalism always remains.

 

[YoursTruly]

Where in the Constitution does it forbid “warmongering”?

^^^^ Trolling without admitting you're trolling

 

[TNHarley]

Where in the Constitution does it forbid “warmongering”?

It gives the power of declaring war to congress. Not the president. Not a gang of 8. Not a few senators giving their thumbs up.
And the WPA, AUMFs etc are unconstitutional. Congress doesnt have the authority to delegate its legislative powers.

“Tribalism” is human nature.

Sure, but I am complaining about how its so bad, people deny reality. Its not good or healthy.

 

[YoursTruly]

It gives the power of declaring war to congress. Not the president. Not a gang of 8. Not a few senators giving their thumbs up.
And the WPA, AUMFs etc are unconstitutional. Congress doesnt have the authority to delegate its legislative powers.

Sure, but I am complaining about how its so bad, people deny reality. Its not good or healthy.

Things like this was done to ensure we remain a Republic. And we didn't have so few deciding for the entire country.

 

[theHawk]

Sure, but I am complaining about how its so bad, people deny reality. Its not good or healthy

Ridiculous, it is healthy. Maintaining your own tribe ensures your survival. Not caring about your tribe when a bunch of invaders means you go extinct.

 

[TNHarley]

Ridiculous, it is healthy. Maintaining your own tribe ensures your survival. Not caring about your tribe when a bunch of invaders means you go extinct.

Ignoring reality is not mentally healthy.

 

[YoursTruly]

Ridiculous, it is healthy. Maintaining your own tribe ensures your survival. Not caring about your tribe when a bunch of invaders means you go extinct.

If your tribe (the Trump tribe) is wrong & unconstitutional, why should they survive?

 

[theHawk]

Ignoring reality is not mentally healthy.

Who is ignoring reality?

Those that dismiss tribalism as being a real thing are “ignoring reality”.

 

[theHawk]

If your tribe (the Trump tribe) is wrong & unconstitutional, why should they survive?

I don’t know what a “Trump tribe” is.
Trump isn’t a race, language, or religion.