How do we get out of this?

[d0gbreath]

 

[playtime]

Iran is not interested in peace talks: Iran war: Tehran sees no reason to talk with US

Our former friends have understandably told us to go to hell: European countries reject Trump’s call for help to reopen strait of Hormuz

Iran wants their pound of flesh for this, at least. They're not going to let us out of there without some pain.

I'm assuming that there's some kind of back-channel talking going on, but how else can we get of this mess? Can't Trump just declare some kind of victory and run? He can just make something up. That's what he does. Just keep saying "we won, we won".

Ideas?

if his cabinet doesn't yank the 25th out from under him, ( & i don't see that happening ) then hopefully he'll croak soon - otherwise i don't see a real out. he may cut & run, call it an obliteration .., again- hoping that his base swallows it ...again but other than that?

what i DO hope & pray for is when he's gone, 1 way or the other - there better be nuremburg style trials to get a spark of justice served against them all & trust can maybe rebuild for america.

 

[citygator]

This is not the way out....do we have a congress or not?

 

[playtime]

Trump singlehandedly destroyed his integrity and trustworthiness. He's insulted his voting base. He's insulted his allies. He's insulted his enemies. So much for "The Art Of The Deal." When you literally betray your supporters and the world sees it, you lose some credibility. When you literally betray your trade partners and allies, you lose your friends. When you literally bomb a nation that you're pretending to negotiate with, you lose your trust. I'm guessing Trump's new book will be entitled: "What Not To Do."

“The Art of the Deal,” 1987: The final key to the way I promote is bravado. I play to people’s fantasies. People may not always think big themselves, but they can still get very excited by those who do. That’s why a little hyperbole never hurts. People want to believe that something is the biggest and the greatest and the most spectacular. I call it truthful hyperbole. It’s an innocent form of exaggeration — and a very effective form of promotion.

The very best thing Trump should do is get honest with himself then get honest with the people he's supposed to be representing -- the American people. You know ... "We The People." Admit that he lost his way. Admit that he listened to some very BAD advice from some very BAD advisors. Apologize for lying to his base. Apologize to Iran. Pack up his military toys. And get back to his original "America First" agenda. If he's too proud to do any of these things, then simply keep bombing, killing, destroying the economy, then die of old age.

he will never do that, because trump is a sociopath.

 

[Mac1958]

if his cabinet doesn't yank the 25th out from under him, ( & i don't see that happening ) then hopefully he'll croak soon - otherwise i don't see a real out. he may cut & run, call it an obliteration .., again- hoping that his base swallows it ...again but other than that?

what i DO hope & pray for is when he's gone, 1 way or the other - there better be nuremburg style trials to get a spark of justice served against them all & trust can maybe rebuild for america.

I just keep thinking about the "intelligence" Trump was given before this. I wonder what contrary information he ignored. I wonder how many Generals tried to talk him out of it. I wonder how many critical, knowledgeable, experienced, connected people had been fired in the State Department because they didn't or wouldn't wear a red hat. I wonder who has been whispering in his ear. I wonder what Bebe has on him.

Now, at best, he's trying to play catch-up. He needs Europe's help now. God damn. There is no excuse for that. He clearly did this whole thing completely unaware of the downside.

He/we may luck out. But this has clearly been a study in abject incompetence, and perhaps worse.

 

[Correll]

Its warfare...there is nothing outside of war crimes that is unreasonable or invalid.

Closing the sea lane is an act of war against EVERYONE, not just America.

But you leftards need to blame America and Trump, so you give a pass to the theocrats.

You are anti-American scum.

Just wait until the suicide bombers show up.

Oh, right, because Iran wasn't doing terrorism before. Now you leftards will even more blame America for Iran's actions. Even to the point of war crimes adn terrorism.

You are soulless.

We attacked a nation that was no threat to the US and youre complaining about how they are hitting back.

Correct. And so far you have given them a pass for their own actions, but done nothing to support your... odd behavior. Other than blame AMERICA.

Its the same reaction that failed us in Vietnam when they refused to play by our rules.

I certainly hope not. Let's hope that Trump doesn't play by the rules while Iran doesn't. That is a loser strategy.

If they play outside the rules, we should too.

Put another way....

your ignorant a$$ hasn’t learned a lesson from history.

I think you are wrong. I think I have learned much. I know for one thing, you lefties are traitors and should be given no crediblity or trust. YOu need purged from society.

 

[Correll]

How many has he deported? Not much.

From what I see, he is deporting them as fast as it can be done.

YOu are just being a dishonest dick, in denying this.

No doubt you think Biden let in millions of them. On top of the millions who came earlier.

Some right wing sources, like the ones you consumed daily, claim Genocide Joe let in anywhere from 5 million to 30 million. If true, why hasn’t your Orange Jesus removed even a million of them?

Biden did open the border and let a lot in. And Trump secured the border and is deporting them as quickly as possible.

Your denial is just you being a dishonest, partisan hack.

The answer is simple. He lied to you again, but we all know you never learn.

You are the one lying here, not me, not Trump. And you are being a complete asshole about it too.

Vice President JD Vance and a collection of online conservative commentators have argued that, as president, Joe Biden let in 20 or 30 million illegal immigrants, swelling their population to 30—50 million. These numbers are an exaggeration, but there was a large increase in the illegal immigrant population during the Biden administration," Alex Nowrasteh, Senior VP for Policy at the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, wrote in a post.
Fact Check: Did 20 Million Illegal Immigrants Enter US Under Joe Biden?

20 million, 2 million, 200k, what ever it was, it was an utter betrayal of America and Americans.

 

[Mac1958]

So the buffoon just said "at some point, the Strait will open itself".

Just like he said "COVID will go away", when he was downplaying it.

God damn. There are just no words.

The worst part of this is that we deserve him. We've lost our way.

 

[kyzr]

So the buffoon just said "at some point, the Strait will open itself".
Just like he said "COVID will go away", when he was downplaying it.
God damn. There are just no words. The worst part of this is that we deserve him. We've lost our way.

The strait is open, Iran said so. Except to the US and Israel.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Not true. Iran's oil is sanctioned. Bessent says we can use it against them. Iran is the only chump, thanks for the oil...

https://gulfnews.com/business/energy/us-to-unsanction-iran-oil-then-use-it-against-iran-what-it-means-1.500480371

Will you EVER learn?

They talk out of their asses.

Iran continues exporting millions of barrels of oil as around 90 ships cross the Strait of Hormuz despite the war

Many of the vessels that have passed through the Strait are so-called "dark" transits evading Western sanctions that likely have ties with Iran.

www.pbs.org

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

out....do we have a congress or not?

Yes, and it is infected with Republicans who kiss the ring.

 

[candycorn]

Closing the sea lane is an act of war against EVERYONE, not just America.

Okay? So? Its a war, stupid. People should have expected acts of war in return.

But you leftards need to blame America and Trump, so you give a pass to the theocrats.

They weren't closing the sea lanes before your blob did what he did now were they, stupid?

Oh, right, because Iran wasn't doing terrorism before.

Sure they were. As long as it's not directed at my front door, I don't care so much. The same stance I had during the Obama administration.

Correct. And so far you have given them a pass for their own actions, but done nothing to support your... odd behavior. Other than blame AMERICA.

Not even remotely true. They weren't hitting us so we didn't have to hit them. That is the bottom line. All of this is to distract from Trump's failed domestic agenda and his mounting losses in court.

I certainly hope not. Let's hope that Trump doesn't play by the rules while Iran doesn't. That is a loser strategy. If they play outside the rules, we should too.

Ahh...the old, "Act like terrorists" gambit. He's already bombed a girl's school. Pretty "outside the rules". Americans aren't built for the type of warfare that is coming at us. So another 10-20 year commitment is in the offing after they hit us back using terrorism. This will happen far after your blob has oozed out of office of course.

 

[dudmuck]

Well, that hasn't aged well, has it?

https://www.axios.com/2026/03/19/strait-hormuz-coalition-allies-statement-uk

today trump says we dont need the straight.

 

[cwise76]

Taco Tuesday

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

We should say both that the war is already won, but that NATO is a paper tiger for not helping us.

They didn't help us by denying access to our bases in their countries or even overflight permissions. They are worthless POS.

We did it without their help and now they are hesitant to do anything more.

 

[leftwinger]

//stuff your Mac&Cheese much. We are out soon?//

𝗩𝗗𝗛: 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗦𝗜𝗚𝗡𝗔𝗟𝗦 𝗔𝗥𝗘 𝗔𝗟𝗟 𝗣𝗢𝗜𝗡𝗧𝗜𝗡𝗚 𝗧𝗛𝗘 𝗦𝗔𝗠𝗘 𝗗𝗜𝗥𝗘𝗖𝗧𝗜𝗢𝗡.Victor Davis Hanson has spent fifty years studying how wars end. When he says the tide is turning, it's worth listening to why.His argument isn't based on what the Pentagon is saying. It's based on how everyone else is behaving.

𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗘𝘂𝗿𝗼𝗽𝗲𝗮𝗻𝘀. VDH's rule: Europeans never agree to go anywhere near a conflict unless they think the winning side has already been determined. They didn't help in the early days. Now they're starting to move. That movement is not idealism. It's a calculation. They've looked at the battlefield and decided which way this ends.

𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗚𝘂𝗹𝗳 𝗽𝗲𝘁𝗿𝗼-𝗻𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝘀. The Saudis, the Emiratis, the Qataris — these governments have survived for generations by reading the regional climate with precision. When they expel Iranian military attachés, when they intercept Iranian missiles over their own capitals and say nothing about American strikes, when the UAE reaffirms its $1.4 trillion investment commitment to the United States mid-war — they are not making ideological statements. They are placing bets. And they are betting on the United States.

𝗔𝗹 𝗝𝗮𝘇𝗲𝗲𝗿𝗮. This is the one that should stop you cold. Al Jazeera — the Qatari state media network, historically critical of American military action, the network Tucker Carlson and the anti-war right love to cite against Israel — is now calling the U.S. bombing campaign brilliant and effective, and saying it has been underestimated. When the media outlet of a nation that hosts both the largest American air base in the Middle East and a Hamas political office starts praising American military effectiveness, the message is unmistakable: 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘺 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘬 𝘸𝘦'𝘳𝘦 𝘨𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘰 𝘸𝘪𝘯.

𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗺𝗶𝗹𝗶𝘁𝗮𝗿𝘆 𝘀𝗶𝗴𝗻𝗮𝗹. A-10 Warthogs and Apache helicopter gunships are now flying strike missions in Iranian airspace at will. VDH's point: you only deploy those aircraft when there is effectively no air defense left to threaten them. They are slow, low-flying, close-support platforms. Their presence confirms what the Pentagon has been claiming — Iran has no meaningful air defense remaining.Iran's strategy now is rope-a-dope. Run out the clock. Wait for American public opinion to shift. Hope the midterms create political pressure on Trump to stop. It is the only play they have left.VDH's conclusion: if Trump sees it through — and he believes he will — the regime falls. Not in years.

𝗣𝗿𝗲𝘁𝘁𝘆 𝘀𝗼𝗼𝗻.𝗪𝗮𝘁𝗰𝗵 𝘄𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝗽𝗲𝗼𝗽𝗹𝗲 𝗱𝗼, 𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝘄𝗵𝗮𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝘆 𝘀𝗮𝘆. 𝗘𝘃𝗲𝗿𝘆𝗼𝗻𝗲 𝘄𝗶𝘁𝗵 𝘀𝗸𝗶𝗻 𝗶𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗴𝗮𝗺𝗲 𝗶𝘀 𝗯𝗲𝘁𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗼𝗻 𝗔𝗺𝗲𝗿𝗶𝗰𝗮.

 

[Mac1958]

Only in 2026 America do we need $200 billion for a war that the "President" has said we've already "won".

 

[Correll]

Okay? So? Its a war, stupid. People should have expected acts of war in returnS

I do expect acts of war in return. Directed at US, who is waging war on them, not the whole world.

Would you like to address that now, or do you want to do a couple more rounds of you pretending to be retarded?

They weren't closing the sea lanes before your blob did what he did now were they, stupid?

Trump attacked them. THey attacked the world. That you blame Trump for that, is just you being an anti-American piece of shit.

Sure they were. As long as it's not directed at my front door, I don't care so much. The same stance I had during the Obama administration.

Acts of terrorism are acts of war. YOU stated that any acts of war in response are valid. But that was for IRAN. Now for America you seem to have a different set of standards.

You anti-American piece of shit.

Not even remotely true. They weren't hitting us so we didn't have to hit them. That is the bottom line. All of this is to distract from Trump's failed domestic agenda and his mounting losses in court.

You have accepted a base line amount of acts of terrorism as NORMAL. I don't. So, to me, responding to acts of war, with more war, is completely reasonable.

Indeed, YOU stated that it was completely reasonable. When you were defending IRAN.

You vile little anti-American.

Ahh...the old, "Act like terrorists" gambit. He's already bombed a girl's school. Pretty "outside the rules". Americans aren't built for the type of warfare that is coming at us. So another 10-20 year commitment is in the offing after they hit us back using terrorism. This will happen far after your blob has oozed out of office of course.

Did you forget what you just said? you slammed me for "not learning from history" specifically that they don't play by our rules.

And you have admitted that they have been doing terrorism all along, so this HAS been "coming at us" the whole time, while we have just been taking it like bitches.

Which is what you want us to continue to do. All teh while continuing to have high immigration from muslim nations, ever as we know that that encourages ever higher levels of terrorism and crime.

We really need to just always do the OPPOSITE of what ever leftards want.

 

[candycorn]

I do expect acts of war in return. Directed at US, who is waging war on them, not the whole world.

Oh really. Then you know nothing about warfare.

Trump attacked them. THey attacked the world. That you blame Trump for that, is just you being an anti-American piece of shit.

They were not attacking the world before we attacked them...so yeah, I blame the blob for it. Anyone who applies logic to the situation would.

Acts of terrorism are acts of war.

Not really. Otherwise according to Kristi Noem, Reneee Good (the woman your blob's storm troopers killed in Minnesota) had declared war because Botox Barbie called her a "domestic terrorist". You don't really know what you're talking about.

YOU stated that any acts of war in response are valid. But that was for IRAN. Now for America you seem to have a different set of standards.

Not at all.

You have accepted a base line amount of acts of terrorism as NORMAL. I don't. So, to me, responding to acts of war, with more war, is completely reasonable.

47 years later? Again, do you want payback to Mexico for the Alamo?

Did you forget what you just said? you slammed me for "not learning from history" specifically that they don't play by our rules.

Clearly you haven't learned a single lesson from history....you're making the same lame whiny arguments that Westmoreland made after Tet.

And you have admitted that they have been doing terrorism all along, so this HAS been "coming at us" the whole time, while we have just been taking it like bitches.

Are you insane?

 

[Correll]

Oh really. Then you know nothing about warfare.

They were not attacking the world before we attacked them...so yeah, I blame the blob for it. Anyone who applies logic to the situation would.

Not really. Otherwise according to Kristi Noem, Reneee Good (the woman your blob's storm troopers killed in Minnesota) had declared war because Botox Barbie called her a "domestic terrorist". You don't really know what you're talking about.

Not at all.

47 years later? Again, do you want payback to Mexico for the Alamo?

Clearly you haven't learned a single lesson from history....you're making the same lame whiny arguments that Westmoreland made after Tet.

Are you insane?

Buddy, ALL you are doing here is just giving IRAN a pass for everything, and holding the US responsible for EVERYTHING, even Iranian actions.


Some lessons I have learned from history.


1. Don't pay much attention to what disloyal lefties say. They are the enemy of America. **** THEM. A LOT.

2. Shit nations like Iran and North Vietnam don't play by the old rules. So **** them as hard as you feel is called for. ANyone whines about it, **** them too.


So, let's rock.