Do You Believe We Came From Monkeys?

[alex.harmuth]

I can't speak for James but in my opinion, Adam and Eve were probably darker skinned, brown or tan. Skin color changes, it's an adaptation. If I (the whitest person you've ever seen) were to move to Africa or anywhere near the equator, my skin would get darker. First from sun burn but gradually over time, it would become tan and darker without being burnt. Same goes for if a black person moves to a colder area their skin would get lighter. Generations later, our great grandkids would be born naturally darker/lighter. That is NOT evolution since they are still human beings. That is adaptation.

This is how we got dogs from wolves. Dogs did not 'evolve' from wolves, they adapted from them because in the end, they are still dogs. This also explains Darwins finches, still finches. Fruit flies, still flies.

When applied to monkeys, australopithecus (if it even existed) was a monkey, all other monkeys adapted from it based on their biomes, and are still monkeys today. Humans came from Adam and Eve, maybe Adam and Eve looked a little different, could have been smaller and more hairy doesn't matter, they were humans and we today are still humans.

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[james bond]

I know there are similarities but I think they are coincidental, like cats and seals both have whiskers. But cats didn't come from seals or vice a versa.

I believe conservatives come from slugs.

That's just opinion fodder of a monkey. Ask your neighbor. They'll tell you that humans are apes.

 

[james bond]

So here's a scenario where evolution and creationism can both work:

Evolution created black people from apes.

God created white people in his own image.

Do i have it right, Bond?

No. Only one can be the truth. In this case, it's atheist or secular science vs creation.

Let's me try a different tack. Sorry, it's a bit long.

Let's look at it from an objective moral view or God's view. If we describe him, then he's like us as the Bible tells us. With Adam and Eve (Arameans, not white), he created the perfect male and female. He gave us everything we would need or wanted for free. Just think if A&E didn't commit the unpardonable sin!!! We would have everything we need or want for free. No waiting in lines. The only thing he wanted was Rule #1 - Do not eat from the Tree of Knowlege (or do not disobey God). Rule #2 - See rule #1. Rule #3 - See Rule #1...

Fast forward to today. He's still a simple guy in terms of objective moral view. Still like us. The only thing he says this time is Jesus Saves. He says to believe that we will all die, but the believers will be risen like Jesus as he died to redeem our unpardonable sin.

Now, you mention evolution and what would that be? A lie. (Remember, we're still looking at this from an objective moral view.)

And who is the master of lies? Satan.

The truth comes down to 1) You believe that humans came from apes via Satan and that there is no God or 2) God created humans.

 

[RWS]

So here's a scenario where evolution and creationism can both work:

Evolution created black people from apes.

God created white people in his own image.

Do i have it right, Bond?

No. Only one can be the truth. In this case, it's atheist or secular science vs creation.

Let's me try a different tack. Sorry, it's a bit long.

Let's look at it from an objective moral view or God's view. If we describe him, then he's like us as the Bible tells us. With Adam and Eve (Arameans, not white), he created the perfect male and female. He gave us everything we would need or wanted for free. Just think if A&E didn't commit the unpardonable sin!!! We would have everything we need or want for free. No waiting in lines. The only thing he wanted was Rule #1 - Do not eat from the Tree of Knowlege (or do not disobey God). Rule #2 - See rule #1. Rule #3 - See Rule #1...

Fast forward to today. He's still a simple guy in terms of objective moral view. Still like us. The only thing he says this time is Jesus Saves. He says to believe that we will all die, but the believers will be risen like Jesus as he died to redeem our unpardonable sin.

Now, you mention evolution and what would that be? A lie. (Remember, we're still looking at this from an objective moral view.)

And who is the master of lies? Satan.

The truth comes down to 1) You believe that humans came from apes via Satan and that there is no God or 2) God created humans.

No no no...

The question is whether white people and black people are created equal. Or is there something different in the creation sequence?

 

[RWS]

I can't speak for James but in my opinion, Adam and Eve were probably darker skinned, brown or tan. Skin color changes, it's an adaptation. If I (the whitest person you've ever seen) were to move to Africa or anywhere near the equator, my skin would get darker. First from sun burn but gradually over time, it would become tan and darker without being burnt. Same goes for if a black person moves to a colder area their skin would get lighter. Generations later, our great grandkids would be born naturally darker/lighter. That is NOT evolution since they are still human beings. That is adaptation.

This is how we got dogs from wolves. Dogs did not 'evolve' from wolves, they adapted from them because in the end, they are still dogs. This also explains Darwins finches, still finches. Fruit flies, still flies.

When applied to monkeys, australopithecus (if it even existed) was a monkey, all other monkeys adapted from it based on their biomes, and are still monkeys today. Humans came from Adam and Eve, maybe Adam and Eve looked a little different, could have been smaller and more hairy doesn't matter, they were humans and we today are still humans.

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Humans use natural skin pigmentation to help them in their natural environment. It's used to avoid too much radiation, and also to absorb radiation, depending on the area. I white person that gets a tan, and moves to Africa, will not turn black!!! That person will just get skin cancer! A black person that goes to Norway, will not turn white! Jeeezz.......

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[alex.harmuth]

I can't speak for James but in my opinion, Adam and Eve were probably darker skinned, brown or tan. Skin color changes, it's an adaptation. If I (the whitest person you've ever seen) were to move to Africa or anywhere near the equator, my skin would get darker. First from sun burn but gradually over time, it would become tan and darker without being burnt. Same goes for if a black person moves to a colder area their skin would get lighter. Generations later, our great grandkids would be born naturally darker/lighter. That is NOT evolution since they are still human beings. That is adaptation.

This is how we got dogs from wolves. Dogs did not 'evolve' from wolves, they adapted from them because in the end, they are still dogs. This also explains Darwins finches, still finches. Fruit flies, still flies.

When applied to monkeys, australopithecus (if it even existed) was a monkey, all other monkeys adapted from it based on their biomes, and are still monkeys today. Humans came from Adam and Eve, maybe Adam and Eve looked a little different, could have been smaller and more hairy doesn't matter, they were humans and we today are still humans.

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Humans use natural skin pigmentation to help them in their natural environment. It's used to avoid too much radiation, and also to absorb radiation, depending on the area. I white person that gets a tan, and moves to Africa, will not turn black!!! That person will just get skin cancer! A black person that goes to Norway, will not turn white! Jeeezz.......

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Clearly you've never been anywhere but your parents basement banging your head.. Not healthy.... My brother went to Tanzania for a month and came back darker. Yes it wasn't permanent, but over generations like I said, if he would have stayed there, his grandchildren and great grandchildren would have been be born naturally darker. Skin color is an adaptation, not a proof of evolution.

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[RWS]

Black people aren't "tanned white people". Your brother's grandkids will not have turned black unless their parents mated with black people. If they mated with white people, they would always be white. See South Africa.

Dark colored skin is the natural pigmentation that is necessary to survive in tropical regions. As humans migrated north and had less direct sunshine, pigmentation got lighter in order to absorb more vitamin D. That is evolution on a short scale. It's natural selection based on the needs to survive. A white person will not turn black by moving to Africa. A black person will not turn white by moving to Canada.

God does like white people though... I don't know why...

 

[bripat9643]

Black people aren't "tanned white people". Your brother's grandkids will not have turned black unless their parents mated with black people. If they mated with white people, they would always be white. See South Africa.

Dark colored skin is the natural pigmentation that is necessary to survive in tropical regions. As humans migrated north and had less direct sunshine, pigmentation got lighter in order to absorb more vitamin D. That is evolution on a short scale. It's natural selection based on the needs to survive. A white person will not turn black by moving to Africa. A black person will not turn white by moving to Canada.

God does like white people though... I don't know why...

Creationist don't even really understand what the term "natural selection" really means. The sun tan theory of skin color is a perfect example.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So here's a scenario where evolution and creationism can both work:

Evolution created black people from apes.

God created white people in his own image.

Do i have it right, Bond?

I think men like Charles Darwin thought so. He was an ardent racist who thought that the black race were inferior. If so, how could he think that we had the same common ancestor?

Darwin thought that certain people made the gene pool "weak". He insisted that people who were "sickly" weakened the gene pool and suggested that if we expunge them, it would strengthen the human race.

However, he then goes into this strange morality fixation about how noble it was to help those people weaken our gene pool.

“With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilised societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.

The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused. Nor could we check our sympathy, if so urged by hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with a certain and great present evil. Hence we must bear without complaining the undoubtedly bad effects of the weak surviving and propagating their kind; but there appears to be at least one check in steady action, namely the weaker and inferior members of society not marrying so freely as the sound; and this check might be indefinitely increased, though this is more to be hoped for than expected, by the weak in body or mind refraining from marriage.”
― Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man

Shrug. Men like Hitler just laughed at the morality of being "noble" and killed off the inferior weak gene pool. After all, how is being noble scientific?

So what? You worship an evil,genocidal liar.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I can't speak for James but in my opinion, Adam and Eve were probably darker skinned, brown or

They could be purple if you like, since they are madeup characters and did not actually exist.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Yes it wasn't permanent, but over generations like I said, if he would have stayed there, his grandchildren and great grandchildren would have been be born naturally darker

Oh really? By what mechanism, exactly? And who taught you this?

 

[RWS]

So here's a scenario where evolution and creationism can both work:

Evolution created black people from apes.

God created white people in his own image.

Do i have it right, Bond?

I think men like Charles Darwin thought so. He was an ardent racist who thought that the black race were inferior. If so, how could he think that we had the same common ancestor?

Darwin thought that certain people made the gene pool "weak". He insisted that people who were "sickly" weakened the gene pool and suggested that if we expunge them, it would strengthen the human race.

However, he then goes into this strange morality fixation about how noble it was to help those people weaken our gene pool.

“With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilised societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.

The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused. Nor could we check our sympathy, if so urged by hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with a certain and great present evil. Hence we must bear without complaining the undoubtedly bad effects of the weak surviving and propagating their kind; but there appears to be at least one check in steady action, namely the weaker and inferior members of society not marrying so freely as the sound; and this check might be indefinitely increased, though this is more to be hoped for than expected, by the weak in body or mind refraining from marriage.”
― Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man

Shrug. Men like Hitler just laughed at the morality of being "noble" and killed off the inferior weak gene pool. After all, how is being noble scientific?

So what? You worship an evil,genocidal liar.

I agree....

 

[RWS]

Yes it wasn't permanent, but over generations like I said, if he would have stayed there, his grandchildren and great grandchildren would have been be born naturally darker

Oh really? By what mechanism, exactly? And who taught you this?

His offspring would only be darker if he mated with black people. And even then maybe not. Evolution does not work based on sun-tans, or such short time-spans.

 

[RWS]

And white people and black people are on the same evolutionary scale. There's no difference except regional advantages.

If you think that black people are different than white people, then please state why?

 

[james bond]

So here's a scenario where evolution and creationism can both work:

Evolution created black people from apes.

God created white people in his own image.

Do i have it right, Bond?

No. Only one can be the truth. In this case, it's atheist or secular science vs creation.

Let's me try a different tack. Sorry, it's a bit long.

Let's look at it from an objective moral view or God's view. If we describe him, then he's like us as the Bible tells us. With Adam and Eve (Arameans, not white), he created the perfect male and female. He gave us everything we would need or wanted for free. Just think if A&E didn't commit the unpardonable sin!!! We would have everything we need or want for free. No waiting in lines. The only thing he wanted was Rule #1 - Do not eat from the Tree of Knowlege (or do not disobey God). Rule #2 - See rule #1. Rule #3 - See Rule #1...

Fast forward to today. He's still a simple guy in terms of objective moral view. Still like us. The only thing he says this time is Jesus Saves. He says to believe that we will all die, but the believers will be risen like Jesus as he died to redeem our unpardonable sin.

Now, you mention evolution and what would that be? A lie. (Remember, we're still looking at this from an objective moral view.)

And who is the master of lies? Satan.

The truth comes down to 1) You believe that humans came from apes via Satan and that there is no God or 2) God created humans.

No no no...

The question is whether white people and black people are created equal. Or is there something different in the creation sequence?

You're referring to human rights. That's not the topic of this thread, but we already discussed that several times and it led to pseudoscientific racism via Darwin and many deaths. Isn't that evidence that from an objective moral point of view that Satan exists?

OTOH, God created humans with a special place above other animals. America's forefathers came up with "all men are created equal . . . endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights." That should give you an idea about all humans being created equal.

 

[james bond]

I can't speak for James but in my opinion, Adam and Eve were probably darker skinned, brown or tan. Skin color changes, it's an adaptation. If I (the whitest person you've ever seen) were to move to Africa or anywhere near the equator, my skin would get darker. First from sun burn but gradually over time, it would become tan and darker without being burnt. Same goes for if a black person moves to a colder area their skin would get lighter. Generations later, our great grandkids would be born naturally darker/lighter. That is NOT evolution since they are still human beings. That is adaptation.

This is how we got dogs from wolves. Dogs did not 'evolve' from wolves, they adapted from them because in the end, they are still dogs. This also explains Darwins finches, still finches. Fruit flies, still flies.

When applied to monkeys, australopithecus (if it even existed) was a monkey, all other monkeys adapted from it based on their biomes, and are still monkeys today. Humans came from Adam and Eve, maybe Adam and Eve looked a little different, could have been smaller and more hairy doesn't matter, they were humans and we today are still humans.

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Humans use natural skin pigmentation to help them in their natural environment. It's used to avoid too much radiation, and also to absorb radiation, depending on the area. I white person that gets a tan, and moves to Africa, will not turn black!!! That person will just get skin cancer! A black person that goes to Norway, will not turn white! Jeeezz.......

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It's your ToE. Not only did you not explain how apes became humans, you just agreed that a black person cannot become white.

 

[james bond]

Yes it wasn't permanent, but over generations like I said, if he would have stayed there, his grandchildren and great grandchildren would have been be born naturally darker

Oh really? By what mechanism, exactly? And who taught you this?

His offspring would only be darker if he mated with black people. And even then maybe not. Evolution does not work based on sun-tans, or such short time-spans.

That's what I've been saying. You can't mate black people to become whites, but you can Aramaeans.

https://christiananswers.net/q-aig/race-skincolor.html

 

[alex.harmuth]

Yes it wasn't permanent, but over generations like I said, if he would have stayed there, his grandchildren and great grandchildren would have been be born naturally darker

Oh really? By what mechanism, exactly? And who taught you this?

His offspring would only be darker if he mated with black people. And even then maybe not. Evolution does not work based on sun-tans, or such short time-spans.

No. I can't believe I have to explain something I don't even think is real to you since you don't even seem to understand it. Over generations, descendants of a white person living in a hot climate will become darker. I understand your confusion, evolution just doesn't make sense.

Whether it's a white person becoming darker, a wolf being domesticated and bred into various types of dogs, finches changing beaks, fruit flies living longer, ALL of these are examples of natural adaptation, NOT evolution. Evolution requires that a new species is created. Humans are still human, dogs are still dogs, birds are birds, flies are flies.
Scientists try to call this microevolution but that's just them making something up to try to claim that they are right.

Macroevolution is the change of kinds. Bacteria into fish, fish into reptile, reptile into birds or mammals. Macroevolution cannot be proven, has never been observed, and isn't even reflected in the fossil record. It isn't real.

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[Fort Fun Indiana]

Whether it's a white person becoming darker, a wolf being domesticated and bred into various types of dogs, finches changing beaks, fruit flies living longer, ALL of these are examples of natural adaptation, NOT evolution.

Provably false, by all of the evidence available. Dang dude, you should really never open your mouth about this topic again.

 

[alex.harmuth]

How is it false? A dog sheds it's fur in the summer. That's adaptation. You wouldn't say the dog evolved short fur.

Now take a wolf (a canine) and put it in the desert. It will shed it's fur, It's pups will shed it's fur, grandpups will probably still shed a little, great grand pups may be born with short fur, generations later... You have a chihuahua. It is STILL a wolf (canine).

By evolution's own definition, that isn't evolution since a new species has not been created. The wolf didn't grow wings, it didn't grow scales, it's still a wolf (dog, canine). It's not a bird, it's not a snake, it's not a mudcrab, it's not a monkey. It DIDN'T evolve, it adapted to environmental factors like life has always done. How am I wrong?

Seriously, I don't believe in evolution because it makes zero sense. If you could make sense of it, sure I'll buy into it. But I'm not going to believe in gobbledygook just because some fat ass scientists tell me to. It's gotta be real, it's gotta be true, and if something is real and true, it should make sense. Evolution doesn't.

Whether it's a white person becoming darker, a wolf being domesticated and bred into various types of dogs, finches changing beaks, fruit flies living longer, ALL of these are examples of natural adaptation, NOT evolution.

Provably false, by all of the evidence available. Dang dude, you should really never open your mouth about this topic again.

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