Do You Believe We Came From Monkeys?

[alex.harmuth]

The Earth is Earth, and always was Earth? A fish is a fish, and always was a fish? Not sure what your point was.

Look at a tree, you know it's a tree. You don't need to do math or use DNA to prove it's a tree. Why?.... Because it's a tree. Now apply this to the Earth and to monkeys vs human beings.

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So when you see a tree- you know it has always been a tree- and was always a tree.....and was never a seed?

Now apply this to the Earth and the theory of evolution.

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[Votto]

For the record, I don't think human beings came from monkeys.

Progressives, however, I'm not so sure about.

 

[alex.harmuth]

You mean the Abiogensis that is no longer considered mainstream science since the only thing that it proved in 50 years is that it is impossible for life to begin in the ocean like Evolutionists claim? Salt water breaks apart amino acids, amino acids are considered the building blocks of life... That Abiogensis?

evolution were true, I'd imagine life would be abundant in not just the universe, but in this solar system. There should be life on Mars, Venus, moons of Jupiter and Saturn. Life should be everywhere... But it's not.

None of this makes a lick of sense. Abiogenesis is the term you are looking for, not evolution.

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[alex.harmuth]

Because if Earth is the only place in the universe that contains life that would disprove evolution. Now go find some aliens.

If evolution were true, I'd imagine life would be abundant in not just the universe, but in this solar system. There should be life on Mars, Venus, moons of Jupiter and Saturn. Life should be everywhere... But it's not.

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Why anyone thinks that life would 'be everywhere' because of evolution is a mystery to me.

There is nothing in the theory of evolution that makes that claim.

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[james bond]

There continue to be internet atheists on this forum who cannot do a simple search.

"Humans first evolved in Africa, and much of human evolution occurred on that continent. The fossils of early humans who lived between 6 and 2 million years ago come entirely from Africa."
...

"One of the earliest defining human traits, bipedalism -- the ability to walk on two legs -- evolved over 4 million years ago."

Introduction to Human Evolution

This is racism at its worst. The climate in Darwin's time was pseudoscientific racism. Darwin's grandfather, Erasmus, believed in it. Probably got it from Aristotle. Wasn't he an atheist? It's easy enough to find these things.

"Most famous as a philosopher, Aristotle — who, it’s worth noting, is Murray’s favorite philosopher — was just as influential in what we would today consider the field of natural science. Indeed, Aristotle’s philosophical and political ideas cannot be separated from his methods of empirical observation. He spent years of his life observing and classifying animals. Charles Darwin himself said that “my two gods [Linnaeus and Cuvier] are mere school-boys to old Aristotle.”

Perspective | Aristotle, father of scientific racism

Darwin basically hypothesized that black people evolved from apes. When we see the evolution chart, we see a white man at the far right. It's not a black man. Now you know why Darwin's first book was entitled On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life even though it had nothing to do with race. His second book The Descent of Man was deemed racist as there is it is explicit.

I've already discussed eugenics that came from Darwin's cousin, Francis Galton, which was adopted by Hitler.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You mean the Abiogensis that is no longer considered mainstream science since the only thing that it proved in 50 years is that it is impossible for life to begin in the ocean like Evolutionists claim?

Every word of that is a Shameless lie.

 

[james bond]

This leaves no doubt that Darwinism was about racism and racial superiority.

"Ota Benga (c. 1883[1] – March 20, 1916) was a Congolese man, a Mbuti pygmy known for being featured in an anthropology exhibit at the Louisiana Purchase Exposition in St. Louis, Missouri, in 1904, and in a human zoo exhibit in 1906 at the Bronx Zoo. Benga had been purchased from African slave traders by the missionary and anthropologist Samuel Phillips Verner,[2] a businessman searching for African people for the exhibition.[3] He traveled with Verner to the United States. At the Bronx Zoo, Benga had free run of the grounds before and after he was exhibited in the zoo's Monkey House. Except for a brief visit with Verner to Africa after the close of the St. Louis Fair, Benga lived in the United States, mostly in Virginia, for the rest of his life.

Displays of non-white humans as examples of "earlier stages" of human evolution were common in the early 20th century, when racial theories were frequently intertwined with concepts from evolutionary biology. African-American newspapers around the nation published editorials strongly opposing Benga's treatment. Dr. R. S. MacArthur, the spokesperson for a delegation of black churches, petitioned New York City Mayor George B. McClellan Jr. for his release from the Bronx Zoo."

Ota Benga - Wikipedia

 

[Syriusly]

Because if Earth is the only place in the universe that contains life that would disprove evolution. Now go find some aliens.

If evolution were true, I'd imagine life would be abundant in not just the universe, but in this solar system. There should be life on Mars, Venus, moons of Jupiter and Saturn. Life should be everywhere... But it's not.

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Why anyone thinks that life would 'be everywhere' because of evolution is a mystery to me.

There is nothing in the theory of evolution that makes that claim.

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Again- you just keep demonstrating you don't understand the theory of evolution.

The theory of evolution makes no claims as to how life started on Earth.

The Theory of Evolution doesn't care whether Earth is unique or whether life is everywhere.

 

[Syriusly]

The Earth is Earth, and always was Earth? A fish is a fish, and always was a fish? Not sure what your point was.

Look at a tree, you know it's a tree. You don't need to do math or use DNA to prove it's a tree. Why?.... Because it's a tree. Now apply this to the Earth and to monkeys vs human beings.

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So when you see a tree- you know it has always been a tree- and was always a tree.....and was never a seed?

Now apply this to the Earth and the theory of evolution.

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Of course you don't.

 

[Syriusly]

There continue to be internet atheists on this forum who cannot do a simple search.

"Humans first evolved in Africa, and much of human evolution occurred on that continent. The fossils of early humans who lived between 6 and 2 million years ago come entirely from Africa."
...

"One of the earliest defining human traits, bipedalism -- the ability to walk on two legs -- evolved over 4 million years ago."

Introduction to Human Evolution

This is racism at its worst.

And again- still you can't explain why science is somehow 'racism'.

It is unlikely that any of the 'races' of modern man even existed when when modern man first evolved in Africa or when our ancestors first ventured out of Africa.

Do you consider the Theory of Gravity racist also?

 

[Syriusly]

Darwin basically hypothesized that black people evolved from apes.

Actually Darwin hypothesized that all mankind evolved from a common ancestor- whether we are 'black' or 'white'- 'asian' or 'indian'- Darwin hypothesized we all descended from a common ancestor- and he further hypothesized that man and apes had a common ancestor- even though the fossil evidence had not yet been found.

Now if we want to talk about racism......we can certainly look at the history of the Christian Church........

 

[james bond]

Because if Earth is the only place in the universe that contains life that would disprove evolution. Now go find some aliens.

If evolution were true, I'd imagine life would be abundant in not just the universe, but in this solar system. There should be life on Mars, Venus, moons of Jupiter and Saturn. Life should be everywhere... But it's not.

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Why anyone thinks that life would 'be everywhere' because of evolution is a mystery to me.

There is nothing in the theory of evolution that makes that claim.

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Again- you just keep demonstrating you don't understand the theory of evolution.

The theory of evolution makes no claims as to how life started on Earth.

The Theory of Evolution doesn't care whether Earth is unique or whether life is everywhere.

Ha ha. We talked about this already. People who just want to argue ToE are the ones who doesn't understand ToE and how it's based on evolutionary thinking. And no aliens means that it's a point for creation. God didn't create aliens. In terms of evolution, the reason aliens do not exist is based on the fine tuning facts that atheist scientists discovered while trying to formulate the Big Bang Theory. There plenty of evidence of no aliens. Look up Fermi Paradox.

History of evolutionary thought - Wikipedia

 

[james bond]

There continue to be internet atheists on this forum who cannot do a simple search.

"Humans first evolved in Africa, and much of human evolution occurred on that continent. The fossils of early humans who lived between 6 and 2 million years ago come entirely from Africa."
...

"One of the earliest defining human traits, bipedalism -- the ability to walk on two legs -- evolved over 4 million years ago."

Introduction to Human Evolution

This is racism at its worst.

And again- still you can't explain why science is somehow 'racism'.

It is unlikely that any of the 'races' of modern man even existed when when modern man first evolved in Africa or when our ancestors first ventured out of Africa.

Do you consider the Theory of Gravity racist also?

I think I've covered how racism was tied in the Darwinism and humans evolving from apes and how it became eugenics and so forth. Ota Benga should never have been placed in a zoo. Today, it's evolved into Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood has their offices in ghettos across the US.

The bottom line is no one evolved from a chimp or ape. When you get a genealogy test from AncestryDNA today, does everyone come back with some chimpanzee in them ha ha?

 

[james bond]

Darwin basically hypothesized that black people evolved from apes.

Actually Darwin hypothesized that all mankind evolved from a common ancestor- whether we are 'black' or 'white'- 'asian' or 'indian'- Darwin hypothesized we all descended from a common ancestor- and he further hypothesized that man and apes had a common ancestor- even though the fossil evidence had not yet been found.

Now if we want to talk about racism......we can certainly look at the history of the Christian Church........

No, Darwin claimed we evolved from a single-cell, fish, apes and ape-humans. I even posted a link in it with an infograph which you could not explain how it happened. Who doesn't understand ToE now?

The ape-humans started in Africa and that's where the racism begins. It's no accident that social Darwinism, eugenics, Hitler and racism in the US was accepted. Darwin even took "survival of the fittest" coined by the founder of social Darwinism, Herbert Spencer.

Eugenics in the United States - Wikipedia

 

[Faun]

I know there are similarities but I think they are coincidental, like cats and seals both have whiskers. But cats didn't come from seals or vice a versa.

I believe conservatives come from slugs.

 

[RWS]

Creationist theory ranks right there with flat earth theory.

Both require religion, and science is not allowed.

Not true.

That's a heckuva lotta videos to watch... Could you please provide a point, and then use them as reference? I mean, I can also give you a million videos explaining evolution without a comment.

Maybe your genesis theory is based on ancient aliens... hmm? That's much more believable.....

The videos are not that long.'

Essentially he back tracks to ancient rabbinical texts that seem to suggest that the translation of the original Hebrew version of Genesis implies that the Earth is much older than thousands of years. For example, the terms day and night during the first 7 days can be translated chaos and order instead of literal day and night, according to the expert rabbis. Keep in mind, this was pre-modern science, so they had not benefit in trying to change the young earth theory into an old earth theory in order to fit what we know about science today.

He then goes on his own theory regarding the passage of time. As we know, time is not constant, it varies according to where you are in the universe, so immediately after the Big Bang, time varied greatly than what is it today. To make a long story short, he comes up with the theory that for each day time halves. This means that the first day was 8 billion years, the second day 4 billion years, etc. If you use his time clock, the evolutionary scale matches the Biblical scale.

His time clock requires that halving to stop at some point, right? Based on day/night revolutions of the earth. Otherwise, we'd be in really slooooow-moooootioooon.... and we would never get to the conclusion of this thread....

 

[RWS]

Creationist theory ranks right there with flat earth theory.

Both require religion, and science is not allowed.

"Are" not allowed.

This is why atheists are usually wrong. Atheist science believes the universe started from nothing and that there are multiverses. They are bat sh*t looney. They also believe in the racist theory that humans in Africa came from apes.

OK... first of all... you think you are correct in correcting my grammar... Really?

If you can't get basic grammar correct, what makes you think that you have the theory of the universe correct?

Oh... lemme guess... that's the religion you were taught from birth!

Humans did not come from apes, we are apes. We came from a common ancestor. And it's very highly likely that we migrated from Africa.

The only racist theory is the one you are insinuating, but not elaborating on....

So why not let us all in on what you really think? huh?

Did white people come from somewhere else than black people?

 

[RWS]

So here's a scenario where evolution and creationism can both work:

Evolution created black people from apes.

God created white people in his own image.

Do i have it right, Bond?

 

[Votto]

So here's a scenario where evolution and creationism can both work:

Evolution created black people from apes.

God created white people in his own image.

Do i have it right, Bond?

I think men like Charles Darwin thought so. He was an ardent racist who thought that the black race were inferior. If so, how could he think that we had the same common ancestor?

Darwin thought that certain people made the gene pool "weak". He insisted that people who were "sickly" weakened the gene pool and suggested that if we expunge them, it would strengthen the human race.

However, he then goes into this strange morality fixation about how noble it was to help those people weaken our gene pool.

“With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilised men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination; we build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed, and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilised societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly any one is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.

The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused. Nor could we check our sympathy, if so urged by hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with a certain and great present evil. Hence we must bear without complaining the undoubtedly bad effects of the weak surviving and propagating their kind; but there appears to be at least one check in steady action, namely the weaker and inferior members of society not marrying so freely as the sound; and this check might be indefinitely increased, though this is more to be hoped for than expected, by the weak in body or mind refraining from marriage.”
― Charles Darwin, The Descent of Man

Shrug. Men like Hitler just laughed at the morality of being "noble" and killed off the inferior weak gene pool. After all, how is being noble scientific?

 

[Votto]

I've come to the conclusion that those not of faith tend to be preoccupied with race. These people typically are Leftists and insist on continuing to make racial distinctions much like Darwin who was also not of faith.

For them, man is merely a materialistic entity that is made up of genes. Some are superior and some inferior. In fact, this helps explain why Leftists continue to be preoccupied with race much like Hitler was.