Iâll add that I think there should be HARSH punishments for people who can be proven to have lied or falsely accused people of crimes.
It actually shows how Republicans don't want republican rapists punished or molesters either Prime example is in our WH and thomas on our SC
for SCOTUS they seem to be but no, they are not alone in this tactic. i'm with you in that *anyone* giving false stories for political gain needs to be prosecuted. i think for too long it's been a no penalty accusation so why not use it?
edward - wouldn't it be "accused"? again, you can't seem to fathom anyone you don't like being innocent.
Yes but I have a tendency to believe women and it seems to me it mattered not that 18 women accused trump I take it from instances like that ,that republicans are oblivious to the problems women have encountered over the past 100 and more years
From YOUR link:
âIn a statement, two of those male classmates who Ramirez alleged were involved the incident, the wife of a third male student she said was involved, and three other classmates, Dino Ewing, Louisa Garry, and Dan Murphy, disputed Ramirezâs account of events: âWe were the people closest to Brett Kavanaugh during his first year at Yale. He was a roommate to some of us, and we spent a great deal of time with him, including in the dorm where this incident allegedly took place. Some of us were also friends with Debbie Ramirez during and after her time at Yale.â
âWe can say with confidence that if the incident Debbie alleges ever occurred, we would have seen or heard about itâand we did not. The behavior she describes would be completely out of character for Brett. In addition, some of us knew Debbie long after Yale, and she never described this incident until Brettâs Supreme Court nomination was pending. Editors from the New Yorker contacted some of us because we are the people who would know the truth, and we told them that we never saw or heard about this.â
Snicker...âŚâŚâŚ
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Did you notice that NOT one of them actually supports her stated claims?
Meanwhile from her OWN words showing that she was on the ground roaring DRUNK and foggy headed!
From your link,
"Ramirez said that, when both she and Kavanaugh were freshmen at Yale, she was invited by a friend on the womenâs soccer team to a dorm-room party. She recalled that the party took place in a suite at Lawrance Hall, in the part of Yale known as Old Campus, and that a small group of students decided to play a drinking game together. âWe were sitting in a circle,â she said. âPeople would pick who drank.â Ramirez was chosen repeatedly, she said, and quickly became inebriated. At one point, she said, a male student pointed a gag plastic penis in her direction. Later, she said, she was on the floor, foggy and slurring her words, as that male student and another stood nearby. (Ramirez identified the two male onlookers, but, at her request, The New Yorker is not naming them.)
A third male student then exposed himself to her. âI remember a penis being in front of my face,â she said. âI knew thatâs not what I wanted, even in that state of mind.â She recalled remarking, âThatâs not a real penis,â and the other students laughing at her confusion and taunting her, one encouraging her to âkiss it.â She said that she pushed the person away, touching it in the process. Ramirez, who was raised a devout Catholic, in Connecticut, said that she was shaken. âI wasnât going to touch a penis until I was married,â she said. âI was embarrassed and ashamed and humiliated.â She remembers Kavanaugh standing to her right and laughing, pulling up his pants. âBrett was laughing,â she said. âI can still see his face, and his hips coming forward, like when you pull up your pants.â She recalled another male student shouting about the incident. âSomebody yelled down the hall, âBrett Kavanaugh just put his penis in Debbieâs face,â â she said. âIt was his full name. I donât think it was just âBrett.â And I remember hearing and being mortified that this was out there.â
red and black bolding mine
According to her she was VERY drunk laying down on the ground when Kavanaugh allegedly pull his pants down by her. So you are going to overlook the well known fact that roaring drunk people tends to do stupid things, that she who was describes as a devout catholic allows herself to be part of a drinking game.
"Later, she said, she was on the floor, foggy and slurring her words,..."
I didn't realize VERY DRUNK people can remember it with such a clarity, the name, the face and the penis and I know pigs flies too.....
She specifically says she was INEBRIATED, FOGGY headed and very drunk, but amazingly recalls the alleged event with unusual clarity 34 years later!
Is anybody saying that?
From YOUR link:
âIn a statement, two of those male classmates who Ramirez alleged were involved the incident, the wife of a third male student she said was involved, and three other classmates, Dino Ewing, Louisa Garry, and Dan Murphy, disputed Ramirezâs account of events: âWe were the people closest to Brett Kavanaugh during his first year at Yale. He was a roommate to some of us, and we spent a great deal of time with him, including in the dorm where this incident allegedly took place. Some of us were also friends with Debbie Ramirez during and after her time at Yale.â
âWe can say with confidence that if the incident Debbie alleges ever occurred, we would have seen or heard about itâand we did not. The behavior she describes would be completely out of character for Brett. In addition, some of us knew Debbie long after Yale, and she never described this incident until Brettâs Supreme Court nomination was pending. Editors from the New Yorker contacted some of us because we are the people who would know the truth, and we told them that we never saw or heard about this.â
Snicker...âŚâŚâŚ
==============================================
Did you notice that NOT one of them actually supports her stated claims?
Meanwhile from her OWN words showing that she was on the ground roaring DRUNK and foggy headed!
From your link,
"Ramirez said that, when both she and Kavanaugh were freshmen at Yale, she was invited by a friend on the womenâs soccer team to a dorm-room party. She recalled that the party took place in a suite at Lawrance Hall, in the part of Yale known as Old Campus, and that a small group of students decided to play a drinking game together. âWe were sitting in a circle,â she said. âPeople would pick who drank.â Ramirez was chosen repeatedly, she said, and quickly became inebriated. At one point, she said, a male student pointed a gag plastic penis in her direction. Later, she said, she was on the floor, foggy and slurring her words, as that male student and another stood nearby. (Ramirez identified the two male onlookers, but, at her request, The New Yorker is not naming them.)
A third male student then exposed himself to her. âI remember a penis being in front of my face,â she said. âI knew thatâs not what I wanted, even in that state of mind.â She recalled remarking, âThatâs not a real penis,â and the other students laughing at her confusion and taunting her, one encouraging her to âkiss it.â She said that she pushed the person away, touching it in the process. Ramirez, who was raised a devout Catholic, in Connecticut, said that she was shaken. âI wasnât going to touch a penis until I was married,â she said. âI was embarrassed and ashamed and humiliated.â She remembers Kavanaugh standing to her right and laughing, pulling up his pants. âBrett was laughing,â she said. âI can still see his face, and his hips coming forward, like when you pull up your pants.â She recalled another male student shouting about the incident. âSomebody yelled down the hall, âBrett Kavanaugh just put his penis in Debbieâs face,â â she said. âIt was his full name. I donât think it was just âBrett.â And I remember hearing and being mortified that this was out there.â
red and black bolding mine
According to her she was VERY drunk laying down on the ground when Kavanaugh allegedly pull his pants down by her. So you are going to overlook the well known fact that roaring drunk people tends to do stupid things, that she who was describes as a devout catholic allows herself to be part of a drinking game.
"Later, she said, she was on the floor, foggy and slurring her words,..."
I didn't realize VERY DRUNK people can remember it with such a clarity, the name, the face and the penis and I know pigs flies too.....
She specifically says she was INEBRIATED, FOGGY headed and very drunk, but amazingly recalls the alleged event with unusual clarity 34 years later!
Obviously, that means her accusation is sterling and cannot be questioned, you meanie.
Is anybody saying that?
From YOUR link:
âIn a statement, two of those male classmates who Ramirez alleged were involved the incident, the wife of a third male student she said was involved, and three other classmates, Dino Ewing, Louisa Garry, and Dan Murphy, disputed Ramirezâs account of events: âWe were the people closest to Brett Kavanaugh during his first year at Yale. He was a roommate to some of us, and we spent a great deal of time with him, including in the dorm where this incident allegedly took place. Some of us were also friends with Debbie Ramirez during and after her time at Yale.â
âWe can say with confidence that if the incident Debbie alleges ever occurred, we would have seen or heard about itâand we did not. The behavior she describes would be completely out of character for Brett. In addition, some of us knew Debbie long after Yale, and she never described this incident until Brettâs Supreme Court nomination was pending. Editors from the New Yorker contacted some of us because we are the people who would know the truth, and we told them that we never saw or heard about this.â
Snicker...âŚâŚâŚ
==============================================
Did you notice that NOT one of them actually supports her stated claims?
Meanwhile from her OWN words showing that she was on the ground roaring DRUNK and foggy headed!
From your link,
"Ramirez said that, when both she and Kavanaugh were freshmen at Yale, she was invited by a friend on the womenâs soccer team to a dorm-room party. She recalled that the party took place in a suite at Lawrance Hall, in the part of Yale known as Old Campus, and that a small group of students decided to play a drinking game together. âWe were sitting in a circle,â she said. âPeople would pick who drank.â Ramirez was chosen repeatedly, she said, and quickly became inebriated. At one point, she said, a male student pointed a gag plastic penis in her direction. Later, she said, she was on the floor, foggy and slurring her words, as that male student and another stood nearby. (Ramirez identified the two male onlookers, but, at her request, The New Yorker is not naming them.)
A third male student then exposed himself to her. âI remember a penis being in front of my face,â she said. âI knew thatâs not what I wanted, even in that state of mind.â She recalled remarking, âThatâs not a real penis,â and the other students laughing at her confusion and taunting her, one encouraging her to âkiss it.â She said that she pushed the person away, touching it in the process. Ramirez, who was raised a devout Catholic, in Connecticut, said that she was shaken. âI wasnât going to touch a penis until I was married,â she said. âI was embarrassed and ashamed and humiliated.â She remembers Kavanaugh standing to her right and laughing, pulling up his pants. âBrett was laughing,â she said. âI can still see his face, and his hips coming forward, like when you pull up your pants.â She recalled another male student shouting about the incident. âSomebody yelled down the hall, âBrett Kavanaugh just put his penis in Debbieâs face,â â she said. âIt was his full name. I donât think it was just âBrett.â And I remember hearing and being mortified that this was out there.â
red and black bolding mine
According to her she was VERY drunk laying down on the ground when Kavanaugh allegedly pull his pants down by her. So you are going to overlook the well known fact that roaring drunk people tends to do stupid things, that she who was describes as a devout catholic allows herself to be part of a drinking game.
"Later, she said, she was on the floor, foggy and slurring her words,..."
I didn't realize VERY DRUNK people can remember it with such a clarity, the name, the face and the penis and I know pigs flies too.....
She specifically says she was INEBRIATED, FOGGY headed and very drunk, but amazingly recalls the alleged event with unusual clarity 34 years later!
Obviously, that means her accusation is sterling and cannot be questioned, you meanie.
I think I just said that this movement is rooted in blocking Kavanaughs nomination. I donât think that is disputed. The dems are politicizing it best they can. That doesnât mean all the claims are fake though.
Yeah I know it was sarcasm. Did I misunderstand your point of trying to imply that people are acting like her accusation shouldnât be questioned?Is anybody saying that?
From YOUR link:
âIn a statement, two of those male classmates who Ramirez alleged were involved the incident, the wife of a third male student she said was involved, and three other classmates, Dino Ewing, Louisa Garry, and Dan Murphy, disputed Ramirezâs account of events: âWe were the people closest to Brett Kavanaugh during his first year at Yale. He was a roommate to some of us, and we spent a great deal of time with him, including in the dorm where this incident allegedly took place. Some of us were also friends with Debbie Ramirez during and after her time at Yale.â
âWe can say with confidence that if the incident Debbie alleges ever occurred, we would have seen or heard about itâand we did not. The behavior she describes would be completely out of character for Brett. In addition, some of us knew Debbie long after Yale, and she never described this incident until Brettâs Supreme Court nomination was pending. Editors from the New Yorker contacted some of us because we are the people who would know the truth, and we told them that we never saw or heard about this.â
Snicker...âŚâŚâŚ
==============================================
Did you notice that NOT one of them actually supports her stated claims?
Meanwhile from her OWN words showing that she was on the ground roaring DRUNK and foggy headed!
From your link,
"Ramirez said that, when both she and Kavanaugh were freshmen at Yale, she was invited by a friend on the womenâs soccer team to a dorm-room party. She recalled that the party took place in a suite at Lawrance Hall, in the part of Yale known as Old Campus, and that a small group of students decided to play a drinking game together. âWe were sitting in a circle,â she said. âPeople would pick who drank.â Ramirez was chosen repeatedly, she said, and quickly became inebriated. At one point, she said, a male student pointed a gag plastic penis in her direction. Later, she said, she was on the floor, foggy and slurring her words, as that male student and another stood nearby. (Ramirez identified the two male onlookers, but, at her request, The New Yorker is not naming them.)
A third male student then exposed himself to her. âI remember a penis being in front of my face,â she said. âI knew thatâs not what I wanted, even in that state of mind.â She recalled remarking, âThatâs not a real penis,â and the other students laughing at her confusion and taunting her, one encouraging her to âkiss it.â She said that she pushed the person away, touching it in the process. Ramirez, who was raised a devout Catholic, in Connecticut, said that she was shaken. âI wasnât going to touch a penis until I was married,â she said. âI was embarrassed and ashamed and humiliated.â She remembers Kavanaugh standing to her right and laughing, pulling up his pants. âBrett was laughing,â she said. âI can still see his face, and his hips coming forward, like when you pull up your pants.â She recalled another male student shouting about the incident. âSomebody yelled down the hall, âBrett Kavanaugh just put his penis in Debbieâs face,â â she said. âIt was his full name. I donât think it was just âBrett.â And I remember hearing and being mortified that this was out there.â
red and black bolding mine
According to her she was VERY drunk laying down on the ground when Kavanaugh allegedly pull his pants down by her. So you are going to overlook the well known fact that roaring drunk people tends to do stupid things, that she who was describes as a devout catholic allows herself to be part of a drinking game.
"Later, she said, she was on the floor, foggy and slurring her words,..."
I didn't realize VERY DRUNK people can remember it with such a clarity, the name, the face and the penis and I know pigs flies too.....
She specifically says she was INEBRIATED, FOGGY headed and very drunk, but amazingly recalls the alleged event with unusual clarity 34 years later!
Obviously, that means her accusation is sterling and cannot be questioned, you meanie.
Okay, Sheldon, that was sarcasm.
You don't believe Hill? or Ford or others? but Kavanaugh is an angel?
Of course itâs a coordinated lie, most of us even predicted this would happen. None of the new players in this bimbo eruption will have any evidence, just like the original. Watch and learn.
They seem to think what they lack in quality they can make up in quantity.
Thatâs a pretty incredible claim. I canât imagine how that comes to be without getting exposed. I think you are jumping to conclusions way to early but we shall see. I wonât rule it out as a possibility but I will say I think itâs improbable
Donât you find it a curious story to fabricate? I know you donât like to speculate but in cases like these you have to look at the story and think things through. If she was going to make something up why not say he assaulted her when they were alone in a dorm room? Why leave so many gaps when she could easily fill in the blanks with more lies? They also would have had to plant the lie with several other classmates who have verified hearing about the event while in school. Who coordinates all of that and how do they do it?!
The allegations date back 35 and 36 years for a reason - nothing will be proved but Kavs reputation has already been indelibly stained.
