Why are you diverting the discussion?
I had plenty of drunk nights from college that I have a hazy recollection of. I think that’s true for most people especially thinking back to college. I also remember specific significant events from many of those nights including people I was with and things that we did. Is that really a surprising thing? I’d think most people could understand and relate.Yes I noticed all those observations. But you have to admit your link had a distorted spin on the story. I wasn’t at the party nor have I spoken or even seen anybody speak about the incident so like the ford story I can’t pass judgement yet. You seem to want to jump right into saying it’s all bullshit because she admitted she was drunk. I find that interesting and unrealistic. It’s fair to be skeptical and ask questions, but to draw a conclusion tells me you aren’t being fair minded.
Did you notice that NOT one of them actually supports her stated claims?
Meanwhile from her OWN words showing that she was on the ground DRUNK!
From your link,
"Ramirez said that, when both she and Kavanaugh were freshmen at Yale, she was invited by a friend on the women’s soccer team to a dorm-room party. She recalled that the party took place in a suite at Lawrance Hall, in the part of Yale known as Old Campus, and that a small group of students decided to play a drinking game together. “We were sitting in a circle,” she said. “People would pick who drank.” Ramirez was chosen repeatedly, she said, and quickly became inebriated. At one point, she said, a male student pointed a gag plastic penis in her direction. Later, she said, she was on the floor, foggy and slurring her words, as that male student and another stood nearby. (Ramirez identified the two male onlookers, but, at her request, The New Yorker is not naming them.)
A third male student then exposed himself to her. “I remember a penis being in front of my face,” she said. “I knew that’s not what I wanted, even in that state of mind.” She recalled remarking, “That’s not a real penis,” and the other students laughing at her confusion and taunting her, one encouraging her to “kiss it.” She said that she pushed the person away, touching it in the process. Ramirez, who was raised a devout Catholic, in Connecticut, said that she was shaken. “I wasn’t going to touch a penis until I was married,” she said. “I was embarrassed and ashamed and humiliated.” She remembers Kavanaugh standing to her right and laughing, pulling up his pants. “Brett was laughing,” she said. “I can still see his face, and his hips coming forward, like when you pull up your pants.” She recalled another male student shouting about the incident. “Somebody yelled down the hall, ‘Brett Kavanaugh just put his penis in Debbie’s face,’ ” she said. “It was his full name. I don’t think it was just ‘Brett.’ And I remember hearing and being mortified that this was out there.”
red and black bolding mine
According to her she was VERY drunk laying down on the ground when Kavanaugh allegedly pull his pants down by her. So you are going to overlook the well known fact that roaring drunk people tends to do stupid things, that she who was describes as a devout catholic allows herself to be part of a drinking game.
"Later, she said, she was on the floor, foggy and slurring her words,..."
I didn't realize VERY DRUNK people can remember it with such a clarity, the name, the face and the penis and I know pigs flies too.....
She specifically says she was INEBRIATED, FOGGY headed and very drunk, but amazingly recalls the alleged event with unusual clarity 34 years later!
Have YOU ever been roaring drunk with a confused head?
Right from the start there are already a number of people disputing her claims....
Of course it impairs memory. I remember being very drunk at a concert this one night when I was in college. I remember walking to the concert which was at a house close to where I lived. I don’t remember the exact date or exact house we went to. But I know I was with a big group but I can probably only name 3 or 4 of my friends who I know for sure were there. I remember meeting a girl there and making out during a song but I can’t remember which song was playing. Point being, I don’t have full recollection of everything that happened that night but there are some key things that I do remember clearly and know happened. Her name was Carla btw. Wish I could find her now!I had plenty of drunk nights from college that I have a hazy recollection of. I think that’s true for most people especially thinking back to college. I also remember specific significant events from many of those nights including people I was with and things that we did. Is that really a surprising thing? I’d think most people could understand and relate.Yes I noticed all those observations. But you have to admit your link had a distorted spin on the story. I wasn’t at the party nor have I spoken or even seen anybody speak about the incident so like the ford story I can’t pass judgement yet. You seem to want to jump right into saying it’s all bullshit because she admitted she was drunk. I find that interesting and unrealistic. It’s fair to be skeptical and ask questions, but to draw a conclusion tells me you aren’t being fair minded.
Did you notice that NOT one of them actually supports her stated claims?
Meanwhile from her OWN words showing that she was on the ground DRUNK!
From your link,
"Ramirez said that, when both she and Kavanaugh were freshmen at Yale, she was invited by a friend on the women’s soccer team to a dorm-room party. She recalled that the party took place in a suite at Lawrance Hall, in the part of Yale known as Old Campus, and that a small group of students decided to play a drinking game together. “We were sitting in a circle,” she said. “People would pick who drank.” Ramirez was chosen repeatedly, she said, and quickly became inebriated. At one point, she said, a male student pointed a gag plastic penis in her direction. Later, she said, she was on the floor, foggy and slurring her words, as that male student and another stood nearby. (Ramirez identified the two male onlookers, but, at her request, The New Yorker is not naming them.)
A third male student then exposed himself to her. “I remember a penis being in front of my face,” she said. “I knew that’s not what I wanted, even in that state of mind.” She recalled remarking, “That’s not a real penis,” and the other students laughing at her confusion and taunting her, one encouraging her to “kiss it.” She said that she pushed the person away, touching it in the process. Ramirez, who was raised a devout Catholic, in Connecticut, said that she was shaken. “I wasn’t going to touch a penis until I was married,” she said. “I was embarrassed and ashamed and humiliated.” She remembers Kavanaugh standing to her right and laughing, pulling up his pants. “Brett was laughing,” she said. “I can still see his face, and his hips coming forward, like when you pull up your pants.” She recalled another male student shouting about the incident. “Somebody yelled down the hall, ‘Brett Kavanaugh just put his penis in Debbie’s face,’ ” she said. “It was his full name. I don’t think it was just ‘Brett.’ And I remember hearing and being mortified that this was out there.”
red and black bolding mine
According to her she was VERY drunk laying down on the ground when Kavanaugh allegedly pull his pants down by her. So you are going to overlook the well known fact that roaring drunk people tends to do stupid things, that she who was describes as a devout catholic allows herself to be part of a drinking game.
"Later, she said, she was on the floor, foggy and slurring her words,..."
I didn't realize VERY DRUNK people can remember it with such a clarity, the name, the face and the penis and I know pigs flies too.....
She specifically says she was INEBRIATED, FOGGY headed and very drunk, but amazingly recalls the alleged event with unusual clarity 34 years later!
Have YOU ever been roaring drunk with a confused head?
Right from the start there are already a number of people disputing her claims....
Actually most people have memory problems after being roaring drunk. I have known a lot of people who can't remember hardly anything the next day while they dry up, that is why they call it a HANGOVER!
Ford stated that she was very drunk at the time of the completely unsupported allegation involving Kavanaugh, likely has been drunk many times when she was in the schools. This new accuser says she was on the ground inebriated and foggy headed.....
Come on, don't be this dumb. Research and personal experience make clear Alcohol does impair memory.
Why you lose your memory after having too much to drink
I just saw an interview from Ronan Farrow the writer of the article and it sounded like it was very thoroughly sourced and accurately presented in the article. True they didn’t get any eye witness accounts but they did talk to people that recalled hearing about the incident and they provided similar details in their recounts that the accuser gave in her story. This was before the story went public. That’s not a nail in the coffin but it does give weight to the claims.
sure it does. thanks for admitting it at least.
do you give any credibility to these allegations against kavanaugh? if so, what are you basing it off of?
maybe. however i'd never claim sexual abuse against someone if i couldn't prove it.Of course it impairs memory. I remember being very drunk at a concert this one night when I was in college. I remember walking to the concert which was at a house close to where I lived. I don’t remember the exact date or exact house we went to. But I know I was with a big group but I can probably only name 3 or 4 of my friends who I know for sure were there. I remember meeting a girl there and making out during a song but I can’t remember which song was playing. Point being, I don’t have full recollection of everything that happened that night but there are some key things that I do remember clearly and know happened. Her name was Carla btw. Wish I could find her now!I had plenty of drunk nights from college that I have a hazy recollection of. I think that’s true for most people especially thinking back to college. I also remember specific significant events from many of those nights including people I was with and things that we did. Is that really a surprising thing? I’d think most people could understand and relate.Yes I noticed all those observations. But you have to admit your link had a distorted spin on the story. I wasn’t at the party nor have I spoken or even seen anybody speak about the incident so like the ford story I can’t pass judgement yet. You seem to want to jump right into saying it’s all bullshit because she admitted she was drunk. I find that interesting and unrealistic. It’s fair to be skeptical and ask questions, but to draw a conclusion tells me you aren’t being fair minded.Did you notice that NOT one of them actually supports her stated claims?
Meanwhile from her OWN words showing that she was on the ground DRUNK!
From your link,
"Ramirez said that, when both she and Kavanaugh were freshmen at Yale, she was invited by a friend on the women’s soccer team to a dorm-room party. She recalled that the party took place in a suite at Lawrance Hall, in the part of Yale known as Old Campus, and that a small group of students decided to play a drinking game together. “We were sitting in a circle,” she said. “People would pick who drank.” Ramirez was chosen repeatedly, she said, and quickly became inebriated. At one point, she said, a male student pointed a gag plastic penis in her direction. Later, she said, she was on the floor, foggy and slurring her words, as that male student and another stood nearby. (Ramirez identified the two male onlookers, but, at her request, The New Yorker is not naming them.)
A third male student then exposed himself to her. “I remember a penis being in front of my face,” she said. “I knew that’s not what I wanted, even in that state of mind.” She recalled remarking, “That’s not a real penis,” and the other students laughing at her confusion and taunting her, one encouraging her to “kiss it.” She said that she pushed the person away, touching it in the process. Ramirez, who was raised a devout Catholic, in Connecticut, said that she was shaken. “I wasn’t going to touch a penis until I was married,” she said. “I was embarrassed and ashamed and humiliated.” She remembers Kavanaugh standing to her right and laughing, pulling up his pants. “Brett was laughing,” she said. “I can still see his face, and his hips coming forward, like when you pull up your pants.” She recalled another male student shouting about the incident. “Somebody yelled down the hall, ‘Brett Kavanaugh just put his penis in Debbie’s face,’ ” she said. “It was his full name. I don’t think it was just ‘Brett.’ And I remember hearing and being mortified that this was out there.”
red and black bolding mine
According to her she was VERY drunk laying down on the ground when Kavanaugh allegedly pull his pants down by her. So you are going to overlook the well known fact that roaring drunk people tends to do stupid things, that she who was describes as a devout catholic allows herself to be part of a drinking game.
"Later, she said, she was on the floor, foggy and slurring her words,..."
I didn't realize VERY DRUNK people can remember it with such a clarity, the name, the face and the penis and I know pigs flies too.....
She specifically says she was INEBRIATED, FOGGY headed and very drunk, but amazingly recalls the alleged event with unusual clarity 34 years later!
Have YOU ever been roaring drunk with a confused head?
Right from the start there are already a number of people disputing her claims....
Actually most people have memory problems after being roaring drunk. I have known a lot of people who can't remember hardly anything the next day while they dry up, that is why they call it a HANGOVER!
Ford stated that she was very drunk at the time of the completely unsupported allegation involving Kavanaugh, likely has been drunk many times when she was in the schools. This new accuser says she was on the ground inebriated and foggy headed.....
Come on, don't be this dumb. Research and personal experience make clear Alcohol does impair memory.
Why you lose your memory after having too much to drink
I’m sure most people can relate and share a similar type of memory experience when reflecting on drunken nights in college. Can’t you?
It’s based on feelings that it needs to be true. Trumps punishment must continue neverending
Thanks for the question... In Ford’s case I look at a few factors and try and make sense as to if they align with a person who is simply making up a story to block a nomination. The 6 year old therapy notes, implicating two people instead of one, the polygraph, and calls for an FBI investigation don’t make much sense if she is lying and fabricating a story. The two other witnesses that she named as participants at the party and the reports that none can corroborate that the party took place was a blow to her story so this one will be up to how each one comes of in their testimonies to congress.
Well what if it happened to you so you KNEW it was true. It happened in public so you know others were there, even if those others were friends with the accused. What would you do if you felt compelled to come out? How would you do it and what would you ask for?
then, if "nothing can be substantiated" how can it be looking bad for him? we're to the point where simple allegations and someone to go YEA is all we need to destroy a life.
again, if i can't prove it then what good would it do me to come out in a country where we're "supposed" to be innocent til proven guilty? if i could name the day, time, where and what happened clearly enough to illustrate i'm not being "vague" for the sake of it, then maybe i'd come forth. but otherwise, "oh he abused me some time in the early 80s at a house i can't remember" simply isn't enough to do that to someone.
I don’t mean to answer with a question but if you’ll allow me to ask, with the thousands of sexual abuse cases that happen in this country that only involve two people... how are most of those substantiated?
and to come back with a question, how come the left does this to so many of the past conservative nominees? does that not bring it into question at this point?
I’d hope if it really happened to you then you would simply give an honest account of what you remember and hope the rest of the facts would surface through inquiry and investigation.
Of course healthy skepticism is warranted. There have been false accusations in the past and we should not carelessly ruin people’s lives without cause. The tragedy that thousands of victims have been abused and have buried it or they get shamed and called liars if they come out is equally as disgusting and happens in much more frequency.
