Do We Live By Principles, Or For The Moment?

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The answer strikes fear in the hearts of Democrats.

1. The founding of America was based on carefully thought out principles.

"The Constitution constitutes not the people, not the states, and not the union of the states, but the federal government of these United States. With characteristic bluntness, the Framers identify their constitution as a framework for ruling.
The American people “grant” their government some of their powers—amendable, even revocable at pleasure by a sizeable majority following lawful procedures, to be sure—but ruling powers nonetheless."


2. Ratification would never have occurred had it been on the basis of the states giving up all sovereignty, and being nothing but vassals of the federal regime.
"They founded a federal republic, whereby each constituent state shared equal power in the Senate and population-apportioned power in the House of Representatives. They founded a republic of laws, limiting the central government to expressly enumerated and logically implied powers over each citizen, leaving most governing to be done at the local, country, and state levels of the federation. With representation, commerce, rule by law and federalism in hand they could then frame an extended republic, big enough to defend itself against the geopolitical heavyweights of their day—and every day since then, so far."
Ibid.



3. The plan was never to supplant one king over Americans with another.....the federal government.
You can find the list of the only powers granted that federal government, in Article 1, section 8.
States retained the right to rule on social issues.

4. Based on this principle, there should never have been a national Roe v Wade decision in 1973. So, the Court would be correcting a wrong if it overturned that decision.





5. BUT.....if there is agreement on the above.....all which is correct......the Left/Democrts/Progressives have reason to fear that lots of other social policies will also be under attack.



“'tis a consummation devoutly to be wish'd”
The Bard.
 
The answer strikes fear in the hearts of Democrats.

1. The founding of America was based on carefully thought out principles.

"The Constitution constitutes not the people, not the states, and not the union of the states, but the federal government of these United States. With characteristic bluntness, the Framers identify their constitution as a framework for ruling.
The American people “grant” their government some of their powers—amendable, even revocable at pleasure by a sizeable majority following lawful procedures, to be sure—but ruling powers nonetheless."


2. Ratification would never have occurred had it been on the basis of the states giving up all sovereignty, and being nothing but vassals of the federal regime.
"They founded a federal republic, whereby each constituent state shared equal power in the Senate and population-apportioned power in the House of Representatives. They founded a republic of laws, limiting the central government to expressly enumerated and logically implied powers over each citizen, leaving most governing to be done at the local, country, and state levels of the federation. With representation, commerce, rule by law and federalism in hand they could then frame an extended republic, big enough to defend itself against the geopolitical heavyweights of their day—and every day since then, so far."
Ibid.



3. The plan was never to supplant one king over Americans with another.....the federal government.
You can find the list of the only powers granted that federal government, in Article 1, section 8.
States retained the right to rule on social issues.

4. Based on this principle, there should never have been a national Roe v Wade decision in 1973. So, the Court would be correcting a wrong if it overturned that decision.





5. BUT.....if there is agreement on the above.....all which is correct......the Left/Democrts/Progressives have reason to fear that lots of other social policies will also be under attack.



“'tis a consummation devoutly to be wish'd”
The Bard.
The answer is both. What a stupid question.
 
The answer is both. What a stupid question.
Spoken like an inhabitant of a nation without a Constitution.....one that abhors freedom.


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Now.....do you prefer 'good day,' or your more traditional "Sieg Heil"??????????
 
The answer is both. What a stupid question.
The fact that you are a stupid individual does not make this a stupid question, only that you react stupidly.

As the left has embraced identity as all that matters in the world, it has abandoned liberal principles, and in doing so, it has become increasingly authoritarian in the process. Leftists now organize their world in the most primitive fashion imaginable -- the tribe -- and are prompted to react to any situation according to what amounts to little more than a conditioned response.
 
The fact that you are a stupid individual does not make this a stupid question, only that you react stupidly.

As the left has embraced identity as all that matters in the world, it has abandoned liberal principles, and in doing so, it has become increasingly authoritarian in the process. Leftists now organize their world in the most primitive fashion imaginable -- the tribe -- and are prompted to react to any situation according to what amounts to little more than a conditioned response.


Hey......I thought that one was my 'rented mule' to beat.
 
Spoken like an inhabitant of a nation without a Constitution.....one that abhors freedom.


EU And UK Warn Musk Over Free Speech: "Elon, There Are ...

https://www.iflscience.com › policy › eu-and-uk-warn-...

— The EU and UK have released warnings to Elon Musk over his goals of transforming Twitter into a platform for free speech.


🌐 UK Govt Vows to Jail Elon Musk if He Allows Free Speech on Twitter ...newspunch.com › home › uk govt vows to jail elon musk if he allows free speech on twitter
LmpwZw


1 week ago - UK Govt Vows to Jail Elon Musk if He Allows Free Speech on Twitter Fact checked April 27, 2022 Sean Adl-Tabatabai News, UK 15 Comments The UK government on Tuesday threatened to block Twitter and jail its new owner Elon Musk if he allows free speech on his platform.



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ZWc


1 week ago - The UK on Tuesday threatened to ban Twitter altogether and potentially jail Elon Musk if he violates their incoming “Online Safety Bill” by allowing free speech on his platform. The move came just hours after the EU threatened to ban Twitter entirely if Musk allows free speech on the platform ...





Now.....do you prefer 'good day,' or your more traditional "Sieg Heil"??????????
Are you saying that musk is above our laws, or those of our European neighbours ?


Isnt that globalism ?
 
Are you saying that musk is above our laws, or those of our European neighbours ?


Isnt that globalism ?


Are you saying you favor censorship?

Hate free speech???

How do you feel about your sort building concentration camps and being involved in genocide?


Did you celebrate his birthday last month????

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Lord Haw-Haw was a nickname applied to William Joyce, who broadcast Nazi propaganda to the UK from Germany during the Second World War.

Speak up, dunce!!!!
 
Are you saying you favor censorship?

Hate free speech???

How do you feel about your sort building concentration camps and being involved in genocide?


Did you celebrate his birthday last month????

Lord Haw-Haw - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Lord_Haw-Haw
Lord Haw-Haw was a nickname applied to William Joyce, who broadcast Nazi propaganda to the UK from Germany during the Second World War.

Speak up, dunce!!!!
What part of the online safety bill do you have a problem with ?
I have seen a lot of it ,not all, I admit. It is mostly concerned ith protecting children and ,despite me hating this government, is a worthy piece of work. What part of it upsets you ?
 
6. If the principle of federalism is instituted, as it should be, and the America of its founding supported, a number of the Court's pronouncements may very well be under attack.


"....commentators and entertainers are saying Alito’s draft opinion in Dobbs goes far beyond abortion.

CNN legal pundit Elliot Williams tweeted Tuesday: “You don’t need to read too far between the lines of Alito’s draft to see a rationale for overturning or weakening [other Supreme Court precedents].”
Williams’ tweet went on to list: “Griswold (the right to contraception) Obergefell (same-sex marriage) Loving (interracial marriage) Lawrence (consensual sex acts). And a host of others.”







Would it be tragic if folks actually got to vote on these social policies????

Or....would that be the liberty America was based on???
 
What part of the online safety bill do you have a problem with ?
I have seen a lot of it ,not all, I admit. It is mostly concerned ith protecting children and ,despite me hating this government, is a worthy piece of work. What part of it upsets you ?


Amazing.....George Washington actually mentioned you.


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The answer strikes fear in the hearts of Democrats.

1. The founding of America was based on carefully thought out principles.

"The Constitution constitutes not the people, not the states, and not the union of the states, but the federal government of these United States. With characteristic bluntness, the Framers identify their constitution as a framework for ruling.
The American people “grant” their government some of their powers—amendable, even revocable at pleasure by a sizeable majority following lawful procedures, to be sure—but ruling powers nonetheless."


2. Ratification would never have occurred had it been on the basis of the states giving up all sovereignty, and being nothing but vassals of the federal regime.
"They founded a federal republic, whereby each constituent state shared equal power in the Senate and population-apportioned power in the House of Representatives. They founded a republic of laws, limiting the central government to expressly enumerated and logically implied powers over each citizen, leaving most governing to be done at the local, country, and state levels of the federation. With representation, commerce, rule by law and federalism in hand they could then frame an extended republic, big enough to defend itself against the geopolitical heavyweights of their day—and every day since then, so far."
Ibid.



3. The plan was never to supplant one king over Americans with another.....the federal government.
You can find the list of the only powers granted that federal government, in Article 1, section 8.
States retained the right to rule on social issues.

4. Based on this principle, there should never have been a national Roe v Wade decision in 1973. So, the Court would be correcting a wrong if it overturned that decision.





5. BUT.....if there is agreement on the above.....all which is correct......the Left/Democrts/Progressives have reason to fear that lots of other social policies will also be under attack.



“'tis a consummation devoutly to be wish'd”
The Bard.
since you have no principles, this discussion is moot.
 
The fact that you are a stupid individual does not make this a stupid question, only that you react stupidly.

As the left has embraced identity as all that matters in the world, it has abandoned liberal principles, and in doing so, it has become increasingly authoritarian in the process. Leftists now organize their world in the most primitive fashion imaginable -- the tribe -- and are prompted to react to any situation according to what amounts to little more than a conditioned response.
The OP and people like her have no principles.

Principles don't change, no matter the situation.
For the OP "principles" are a matter of convenience. To be used to attack but never to stop what you want in the moment.

Let's take today's nes as an example.

The SCOTUS plans on killing ROE
The OP celebrates this because

The decision will allow government to dictate when and whether women can procreate.

This level of interference in a personal decision should violate every known Conservative principle

But, since it's what the OP wants today, PRINCIPLES BE DAMNED.

The only difference between "Abortion is illegal" and "Abortion is mandatory" is one word.
Give the government the power, which is what you and the OP want, and, one day, that word will change.

BUT

As long as you "win," PRINNCIPLES BE DAMNED
Right?
 
What is your problem with freedom?
So you havent read the bill.
This is my problem.
You take a couple of news articles produced by kids living in basements.
Construct a psuedo intellectual case for free speech around them.
And then when challenged cant produce a single example of free speech being compromised.
Because you are just a bit stupid.

So you use free apeech in order to spread lies.perhaps you do it a disservice.

My family members died fighting for your free speech and you abuse it like this.
 
The OP and people like her have no principles.

Principles don't change, no matter the situation.
For the OP "principles" are a matter of convenience. To be used to attack but never to stop what you want in the moment.

Let's take today's nes as an example.

The SCOTUS plans on killing ROE
The OP celebrates this because

The decision will allow government to dictate when and whether women can procreate.

This level of interference in a personal decision should violate every known Conservative principle

But, since it's what the OP wants today, PRINCIPLES BE DAMNED.

The only difference between "Abortion is illegal" and "Abortion is mandatory" is one word.
Give the government the power, which is what you and the OP want, and, one day, that word will change.

BUT

As long as you "win," PRINNCIPLES BE DAMNED
Right?

"The SCOTUS plans on killing ROE
The OP celebrates this because

The decision will allow government to dictate when and whether women can procreate."


How so?

Evidently you know nothing about the issue......but I'm here to help, and to educate.



No, the Constitution doesn't authorize or even mention anything like abortion.



The organism is a separate and distinct human being from the instant the sperm and egg combine.



No.....there is not excuse for abortion in 98.5% of the cases, even if you allow it for rape and incest. Every other case is for convenience, nothing more.





No, the unborn is not a part of the mother's body....it has a unique DNA component.



A mother breast feeding her new born is just as nourishing and just as necessary to that organism....but you want the a "right" to kill that one too.







By the way, dope.....this is the etymology of fetus....

fetus (n.)
late 14c., "the young while in the womb or egg" (tending to mean vaguely the embryo in the later stage of development), from Latin fetus (often, incorrectly, foetus) "the bearing or hatching of young, a bringing forth, pregnancy, childbearing, offspring,"
fetus | Origin and meaning of fetus by Online Etymology Dictionary
 
So you havent read the bill.
This is my problem.
You take a couple of news articles produced by kids living in basements.
Construct a psuedo intellectual case for free speech around them.
And then when challenged cant produce a single example of free speech being compromised.
Because you are just a bit stupid.

So you use free apeech in order to spread lies.perhaps you do it a disservice.

My family members died fighting for your free speech and you abuse it like this.


What is your problem with freedom?
 

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