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Do The People Have The Moral Authority To Outlaw Atheism?

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or Secular Humanism?
Humanism is a vicious idea. Humanists invented the value of human existence without considering his behavior, and now we are forced to consider the cow as a lower being than a bloody maniac. This is just a form of chauvinism, which is beneficial to the villain and the wolf in sheep's clothing, he may not be afraid of punishment and does what he wants. It's good that there is at least an electric chair left in America.
 

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Do The People Have The Moral Authority To Outlaw Atheism?​

That would be practicing authority in a screamingly absurd manner.

Taliban Joe Biden's Masters do exactly that...

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Taliban Joe Biden's Masters do exactly that...
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seems true for the entire middle east including Israel - not so different for the desert religion in the u s as well. as appealing as the occupation was the collapse of the corrupt afgan officials and army were the problem, not biden.
 

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seems true for the entire middle east including Israel - not so different for the desert religion in the u s as well. as appealing as the occupation was the collapse of the corrupt afgan officials and army were the problem, not biden.

Israel has freedom of religion. You are free to be an Atheist - and Benny Gantz is the highest elected official in Israel - and an Atheist.

 

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Even this thread is far off the rails into who did what in Afghanistan. Republicans and Democrats have no credibility is assessing blame unless they are pointing to themselves.
That is not the subject here.
Atheism is an approach that does not include a supreme being in the consideration of things. What possible moral authority could prohibit such a category of thought?
 

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Even this thread is far off the rails into who did what in Afghanistan. Republicans and Democrats have no credibility is assessing blame unless they are pointing to themselves.
That is not the subject here.
Atheism is an approach that does not include a supreme being in the consideration of things. What possible moral authority could prohibit such a category of thought?

Atheism is the absolute denial of any force not of the physical world. The denial of all supernatural and the possibility of the supernatural.
 

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Do The People Have The Moral Authority To Outlaw Atheism?
~~ or Christianity?
~~ or Secular Humanism?
~~ or Chewing Gum?

JAG Writes:
On Atheism there is no God.
So God and gods have no part in this OP's question.

Questions:
Are The People the Highest and the Final ,Authority?
If The People are not The Highest and The Final Authority, then Who or What is The Highest Authority?
Is there a Truth Reality out there that is above The People and has more authority than
The People?
If you say Yes to that question, then Who knows what or where that Truth Reality is?
Who knows what it is? {if it exists}
Who knows where it is located? {if it exists}
Who has the authority to interpret what that Truth Reality says? {if it exists}
What are their names?
Are you "one of them."?
___________

Let us say that 98% of The People Of Earth have outlawed Murder
and said "Thou Shall Not Murder"
Question: Do you have a moral obligation to obey The People
when they collectively issue a proclamation that murder is outlawed?

___________

Do The People have a Moral Right to outlaw chewing gum?
If you are a gum chewer, and 98% of The People of Earth voted to outlaw
chewing gum, would you be morally obligated to stop chewing gum?
___________

Let us also say that 98% of The People Of Earth issued a Moral Proclamation
that said:
"Henceforth The Teaching Of Secular Humanism Is Outlawed Upon Penalty Of Death"
Would you then be morally obligated to cease teaching the principles of Secular Humanism?
__________

Here is another version of the same thing leaving off the penalty.
Let us say that 98% of The People Of Earth issued a Moral Proclamation
that said:
"Henceforth The Teaching Of Secular Humanism Is Outlawed."
Would you be morally obligated to stop teaching the principles of Secular Humanism?

___________

Do 98% of The People of the Earth have the authority to precisely define what
is, or is not, moral and immoral?
If you say No, then what Authority is there, that has the Power or the Authority
to void the will of 98% of The People of the Earth?

Is there a Truth Reality out there that has the Authority and the Power to void
the will of 98% of The People of the earth?
If yes, who has the Power and the Authority to interpret what that Truth Reality says?
Where are they located?
What are their names?

_______

Some Miscellaneous Thoughts Relating To This Question:

On Atheism there is no God.
The People are the Highest Authority.
The People are The Highest Supreme Being.
The People can speak through the political vehicle of Democracy?
Suppose The People want to Democratically outlaw your beliefs?
To what Authority would you appeal that would be higher than The People?
You could not appeal to God.
On Atheism there is no God.
It would be You vs.The People --and in a Democracy The People make the laws
and are The Supreme Being.
Do 98% The People of Earth have a Moral Right to outlaw the public expression
of your beliefs?
Do 98% of The People of the Earth have a Moral Right to outlaw Secularism Humanism?
Do 98% of The People of the Earth have a Moral Right to outlaw Christianity?
Is there a Truth Reality out there that has the Moral Authority to prevent
98% of The People collectively outlawing the public expression of
Atheism, or Secular Humanism or Christianity?

JAG
Immoral people think outlaw. God does not think, outlaw.
 

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I guess it is a good thing that we are not a Democracy.
The OP provides a powerful statement for why we are not.


The OP has nothing to say about the difference between a Democracy and
a Democratic Republic.

The OP does not want to silence anyone.
The OP does not want to pass any laws.
The OP is a Philosophical Thought Experiment that
raises the questions that were raised in the OP.
Which you will have to spend some time reading
and reflecting upon --- in order to understand the
purpose of the OP's Thought Experiment.

JAG

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The law that is not heavy is the law that what Jesus taught. JOHN 13:34 KJV "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another." We must not be joined with a harlot. They are married to Satan will call death giving sweet. People as who call death giving sweet are born of fornication. They need to be born again.
 
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Atheism is the absolute denial of any force not of the physical world. The denial of all supernatural and the possibility of the supernatural.
The law that is not heavy is the law that what Jesus taught. JOHN 13:34 KJV "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another." We must not be joined with a harlot. They are married to Satan will call death giving sweet. People who call death giving sweet are born of fornication. They need to be born again. The natural man in the physical world, destroys what is. What does that make the things, that are destroyed? Man cannot replace that which they destroy. A greater power made, what we destroy.
 
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Q. Is there a Truth Reality out there that has the Moral Authority to prevent
98% of The People collectively outlawing the public expression of
Atheism, or Secular Humanism or Christianity?

A. Only in a form of governance in an anti democratic and authoritarian dystopia.

Organized religion (for the record I was raised and confirmed a Catholic, my dog tags had RCNP inscribed) has become more and more political.

Christianity is not singular, their is a vast difference between Billy Graham Jr. / Pat Robertson and the local Parish Priests and Rabbis [a shot out Pope Francis for his humanity]

Atheism has been conceived to be the foundation of Secular Humanism; in my reality pragmatists are agnostic and support the golden rule which I believe is the foundation and framework of Secular Humanism.

Thank you for the first non Idiot-gram to be posted here in a long time; being substantive, thoughtful and most of all Thought Provoking.
Pope Frances is a deceiver. A Cival union is not marrage. Twain is two, not three. Jacob, Solomon and Rehoboam did not use a priest to marry them . A priest did not sanction concubines. The church avoids that topic. The Pope and priests are not Jesus. Jesus is the Father God.
 

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Q. Is there a Truth Reality out there that has the Moral Authority to prevent
98% of The People collectively outlawing the public expression of
Atheism, or Secular Humanism or Christianity?

A. Only in a form of governance in an anti democratic and authoritarian dystopia.

Organized religion (for the record I was raised and confirmed a Catholic, my dog tags had RCNP inscribed) has become more and more political.

Christianity is not singular, their is a vast difference between Billy Graham Jr. / Pat Robertson and the local Parish Priests and Rabbis [a shot out Pope Francis for his humanity]

Atheism has been conceived to be the foundation of Secular Humanism; in my reality pragmatists are agnostic and support the golden rule which I believe is the foundation and framework of Secular Humanism.

Thank you for the first non Idiot-gram to be posted here in a long time; being substantive, thoughtful and most of all Thought Provoking.
A Christian is how they are, and how they talk. Blind people rely on names, and names alone.
 

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Do The People Have The Moral Authority To Outlaw Atheism?
~~ or Christianity?
~~ or Secular Humanism?
~~ or Chewing Gum?

JAG Writes:
On Atheism there is no God.
So God and gods have no part in this OP's question.

Questions:
Are The People the Highest and the Final ,Authority?
If The People are not The Highest and The Final Authority, then Who or What is The Highest Authority?
Is there a Truth Reality out there that is above The People and has more authority than
The People?
If you say Yes to that question, then Who knows what or where that Truth Reality is?
Who knows what it is? {if it exists}
Who knows where it is located? {if it exists}
Who has the authority to interpret what that Truth Reality says? {if it exists}
What are their names?
Are you "one of them."?
___________

Let us say that 98% of The People Of Earth have outlawed Murder
and said "Thou Shall Not Murder"
Question: Do you have a moral obligation to obey The People
when they collectively issue a proclamation that murder is outlawed?

___________

Do The People have a Moral Right to outlaw chewing gum?
If you are a gum chewer, and 98% of The People of Earth voted to outlaw
chewing gum, would you be morally obligated to stop chewing gum?
___________

Let us also say that 98% of The People Of Earth issued a Moral Proclamation
that said:
"Henceforth The Teaching Of Secular Humanism Is Outlawed Upon Penalty Of Death"
Would you then be morally obligated to cease teaching the principles of Secular Humanism?
__________

Here is another version of the same thing leaving off the penalty.
Let us say that 98% of The People Of Earth issued a Moral Proclamation
that said:
"Henceforth The Teaching Of Secular Humanism Is Outlawed."
Would you be morally obligated to stop teaching the principles of Secular Humanism?

___________

Do 98% of The People of the Earth have the authority to precisely define what
is, or is not, moral and immoral?
If you say No, then what Authority is there, that has the Power or the Authority
to void the will of 98% of The People of the Earth?

Is there a Truth Reality out there that has the Authority and the Power to void
the will of 98% of The People of the earth?
If yes, who has the Power and the Authority to interpret what that Truth Reality says?
Where are they located?
What are their names?

_______

Some Miscellaneous Thoughts Relating To This Question:

On Atheism there is no God.
The People are the Highest Authority.
The People are The Highest Supreme Being.
The People can speak through the political vehicle of Democracy?
Suppose The People want to Democratically outlaw your beliefs?
To what Authority would you appeal that would be higher than The People?
You could not appeal to God.
On Atheism there is no God.
It would be You vs.The People --and in a Democracy The People make the laws
and are The Supreme Being.
Do 98% The People of Earth have a Moral Right to outlaw the public expression
of your beliefs?
Do 98% of The People of the Earth have a Moral Right to outlaw Secularism Humanism?
Do 98% of The People of the Earth have a Moral Right to outlaw Christianity?
Is there a Truth Reality out there that has the Moral Authority to prevent
98% of The People collectively outlawing the public expression of
Atheism, or Secular Humanism or Christianity?

JAG
Question? Since God.......the creator of humanity, is the author of morality, just how can faith in said Creator be outlawed?
Just how can one have morality void of religion, if morality were a product of God's creation?

Answer: A society completely based upon secular humanism.......as the Atheist is the first to declare, "We can have morality without religion." These same people are the one's attacking Christianity and demanding it be removed from the public sector.

The Big Lie: Morality is separate from religion based upon the Holy Scriptures. Yet, none can produce one example of an accepted moral trait from around the world that is not revealed in the passages of the Holy Scriptures. They can say that not everything that is claimed to moral is acceptable as a moral trait to some. It much like attempting to subtract from one number end up after the subtraction with a greater number.

It was Hitler that is quoted as saying, "The great masses of the public are more likely to fall victim (believe) to a big lie than to a small one."

Logic: If there were not a universally accepted moral code of conduct.......THE WORLD WOULD BE IN A TOTAL STATE OF ANARCHY......with each person, each nation, each state having their own spin of what's moral and what's not.

In contrast to this atheistic idea of there being no universal code of moral conduct (total societal anarchy)........the scriptures present the only logical rebuttal of such an ideology. The scriptures teach (and its reflected all throughout the civilized world) there is an objective moral standard, authored by the God of creation....and it exists for the entire human race.

Morality does not exist in the animal kingdom, thus morality could not have evolved from any lower life forms. If you start with nothing.......you will always end up with nothing. -0- + -0- always = -0-

An example of a wise man, our 1st president, G. Washington. After having served 2 terms he gave his farewell speech to the nation, And it addressed the very topic in question, "Can Morality exist without Religion"?

Just a few highlights from the speech. "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, RELIGION AND MORALITY are indispensable supports..........................and let us with caution indulge the SUPPOSTION THAT MORALITY CAN BE MAINTAINED WITHOUT RELIGION.................REASON AND EXPERIENCE BOTH FORBID US TO EXPECT THAT NATIONAL MORALITY CAN PREVAIL IN EXCLUSION OF RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLE...........VITRUE OR MORALITY IS THE NECESSARY SPRING OF POPULAR GOVERNMENT............."
 
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Do The People Have The Moral Authority To Outlaw Atheism?
~~ or Christianity?
~~ or Secular Humanism?
~~ or Chewing Gum?

JAG Writes:
On Atheism there is no God.
So God and gods have no part in this OP's question.

Questions:
Are The People the Highest and the Final ,Authority?
If The People are not The Highest and The Final Authority, then Who or What is The Highest Authority?
Is there a Truth Reality out there that is above The People and has more authority than
The People?
If you say Yes to that question, then Who knows what or where that Truth Reality is?
Who knows what it is? {if it exists}
Who knows where it is located? {if it exists}
Who has the authority to interpret what that Truth Reality says? {if it exists}
What are their names?
Are you "one of them."?
___________

Let us say that 98% of The People Of Earth have outlawed Murder
and said "Thou Shall Not Murder"
Question: Do you have a moral obligation to obey The People
when they collectively issue a proclamation that murder is outlawed?

___________

Do The People have a Moral Right to outlaw chewing gum?
If you are a gum chewer, and 98% of The People of Earth voted to outlaw
chewing gum, would you be morally obligated to stop chewing gum?
___________

Let us also say that 98% of The People Of Earth issued a Moral Proclamation
that said:
"Henceforth The Teaching Of Secular Humanism Is Outlawed Upon Penalty Of Death"
Would you then be morally obligated to cease teaching the principles of Secular Humanism?
__________

Here is another version of the same thing leaving off the penalty.
Let us say that 98% of The People Of Earth issued a Moral Proclamation
that said:
"Henceforth The Teaching Of Secular Humanism Is Outlawed."
Would you be morally obligated to stop teaching the principles of Secular Humanism?

___________

Do 98% of The People of the Earth have the authority to precisely define what
is, or is not, moral and immoral?
If you say No, then what Authority is there, that has the Power or the Authority
to void the will of 98% of The People of the Earth?

Is there a Truth Reality out there that has the Authority and the Power to void
the will of 98% of The People of the earth?
If yes, who has the Power and the Authority to interpret what that Truth Reality says?
Where are they located?
What are their names?

_______

Some Miscellaneous Thoughts Relating To This Question:

On Atheism there is no God.
The People are the Highest Authority.
The People are The Highest Supreme Being.
The People can speak through the political vehicle of Democracy?
Suppose The People want to Democratically outlaw your beliefs?
To what Authority would you appeal that would be higher than The People?
You could not appeal to God.
On Atheism there is no God.
It would be You vs.The People --and in a Democracy The People make the laws
and are The Supreme Being.
Do 98% The People of Earth have a Moral Right to outlaw the public expression
of your beliefs?
Do 98% of The People of the Earth have a Moral Right to outlaw Secularism Humanism?
Do 98% of The People of the Earth have a Moral Right to outlaw Christianity?
Is there a Truth Reality out there that has the Moral Authority to prevent
98% of The People collectively outlawing the public expression of
Atheism, or Secular Humanism or Christianity?

JAG
Such laws would be unconstitutional.
 

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Such laws would be unconstitutional.

What Constitution?

It was jettisoned January 6th, 2021 when the Reich assumed absolute power.
 
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Such laws would be unconstitutional.

The point is that, on Secularism, THE PEOPLE, de facto, . . . ARE . . . GOD
and as GOD they can democratically vote to do ANYTHING they want to
do, including voiding out the US Constitution totally and utterly repudiating
it. Remember, on Secularism, there is no such thing as a Higher Authority
that is above THE PEOPLE.


Best Regards.

JAG


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Question? Since God.......the creator of humanity, is the author of morality, just how can faith in said Creator be outlawed?
Just how can one have morality void of religion, if morality were a product of God's creation?

Answer: A society completely based upon secular humanism.......as the Atheist is the first to declare, "We can have morality without religion." These same people are the one's attacking Christianity and demanding it be removed from the public sector.

The Big Lie: Morality is separate from religion based upon the Holy Scriptures. Yet, none can produce one example of an accepted moral trait from around the world that is not revealed in the passages of the Holy Scriptures. They can say that not everything that is claimed to moral is acceptable as a moral trait to some. It much like attempting to subtract from one number end up after the subtraction with a greater number.

It was Hitler that is quoted as saying, "The great masses of the public are more likely to fall victim (believe) to a big lie than to a small one."

Logic: If there were not a universally accepted moral code of conduct.......THE WORLD WOULD BE IN A TOTAL STATE OF ANARCHY......with each person, each nation, each state having their own spin of what's moral and what's not.

In contrast to this atheistic idea of there being no universal code of moral conduct (total societal anarchy)........the scriptures present the only logical rebuttal of such an ideology. The scriptures teach (and its reflected all throughout the civilized world) there is an objective moral standard, authored by the God of creation....and it exists for the entire human race.

Morality does not exist in the animal kingdom, thus morality could not have evolved from any lower life forms. If you start with nothing.......you will always end up with nothing. -0- + -0- always = -0-

An example of a wise man, our 1st president, G. Washington. After having served 2 terms he gave his farewell speech to the nation, And it addressed the very topic in question, "Can Morality exist without Religion"?

Just a few highlights from the speech. "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, RELIGION AND MORALITY are indispensable supports..........................and let us with caution indulge the SUPPOSTION THAT MORALITY CAN BE MAINTAINED WITHOUT RELIGION.................REASON AND EXPERIENCE BOTH FORBID US TO EXPECT THAT NATIONAL MORALITY CAN PREVAIL IN EXCLUSION OF RELIGIOUS PRINCIPLE...........VITRUE OR MORALITY IS THE NECESSARY SPRING OF POPULAR GOVERNMENT............."
Jesus is pure undefiled religion in our mind. Religon is not a church name. Jesus is the only one who is moral living in us. Jesus is pure undefiled religon in us, making sure that we don't have religon that is vain bridling our tongue. Jamies 1:26 - 27, KJV. Jesus is that moral code working through us, not working ill to people. The legal system is designed to work ill to people. Morality is in the animals of the field. They don't speak evil of others. They don't accuse and condemn others. They wait for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Romans 8:19:21: 19For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 20For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.​

 

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Jesus is pure undefiled religion in our mind. Religon is not a church name. Jesus is the only one who is moral living in us. Jesus is pure undefiled religon in us, making sure that we don't have religon that is vain bridling our tongue. Jamies 1:26 - 27, KJV. Jesus is that moral code working through us, not working ill to people. The legal system is designed to work ill to people. Morality is in the animals of the field. They don't speak evil of others. They don't accuse and condemn others. They wait for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Romans 8:19:21: 19For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. 20For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, 21Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.​

Jesus only matters to Christians.
 

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The point is that, on Secularism, THE PEOPLE, de facto, . . . ARE . . . GOD
and as GOD they can democratically vote to do ANYTHING they want to
do, including voiding out the US Constitution totally and utterly repudiating
it. Remember, on Secularism, there is no such thing as a Higher Authority
that is above THE PEOPLE.


Best Regards.

JAG


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Jesus only matters to Christians.

John 10:16-18: 16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd. KJV.​

 

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Do The People Have The Moral Authority To Outlaw Atheism?
~~ or Christianity?
~~ or Secular Humanism?
~~ or Chewing Gum?

JAG Writes:
On Atheism there is no God.
So God and gods have no part in this OP's question.

Questions:
Are The People the Highest and the Final ,Authority?
If The People are not The Highest and The Final Authority, then Who or What is The Highest Authority?
Is there a Truth Reality out there that is above The People and has more authority than
The People?
If you say Yes to that question, then Who knows what or where that Truth Reality is?
Who knows what it is? {if it exists}
Who knows where it is located? {if it exists}
Who has the authority to interpret what that Truth Reality says? {if it exists}
What are their names?
Are you "one of them."?
___________

Let us say that 98% of The People Of Earth have outlawed Murder
and said "Thou Shall Not Murder"
Question: Do you have a moral obligation to obey The People
when they collectively issue a proclamation that murder is outlawed?

___________

Do The People have a Moral Right to outlaw chewing gum?
If you are a gum chewer, and 98% of The People of Earth voted to outlaw
chewing gum, would you be morally obligated to stop chewing gum?
___________

Let us also say that 98% of The People Of Earth issued a Moral Proclamation
that said:
"Henceforth The Teaching Of Secular Humanism Is Outlawed Upon Penalty Of Death"
Would you then be morally obligated to cease teaching the principles of Secular Humanism?
__________

Here is another version of the same thing leaving off the penalty.
Let us say that 98% of The People Of Earth issued a Moral Proclamation
that said:
"Henceforth The Teaching Of Secular Humanism Is Outlawed."
Would you be morally obligated to stop teaching the principles of Secular Humanism?

___________

Do 98% of The People of the Earth have the authority to precisely define what
is, or is not, moral and immoral?
If you say No, then what Authority is there, that has the Power or the Authority
to void the will of 98% of The People of the Earth?

Is there a Truth Reality out there that has the Authority and the Power to void
the will of 98% of The People of the earth?
If yes, who has the Power and the Authority to interpret what that Truth Reality says?
Where are they located?
What are their names?

_______

Some Miscellaneous Thoughts Relating To This Question:

On Atheism there is no God.
The People are the Highest Authority.
The People are The Highest Supreme Being.
The People can speak through the political vehicle of Democracy?
Suppose The People want to Democratically outlaw your beliefs?
To what Authority would you appeal that would be higher than The People?
You could not appeal to God.
On Atheism there is no God.
It would be You vs.The People --and in a Democracy The People make the laws
and are The Supreme Being.
Do 98% The People of Earth have a Moral Right to outlaw the public expression
of your beliefs?
Do 98% of The People of the Earth have a Moral Right to outlaw Secularism Humanism?
Do 98% of The People of the Earth have a Moral Right to outlaw Christianity?
Is there a Truth Reality out there that has the Moral Authority to prevent
98% of The People collectively outlawing the public expression of
Atheism, or Secular Humanism or Christianity?

JAG
It isn’t moral to ban something that isn’t harmful
 

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