Do republicans have a limit on their philosophy of gun-owning freedom?

[Billy000]

Oh is that so? A 2nd amendment advocate likes what the government has currently ruled about the amendment. Everything went your way huh?

Everything has gone our way, really? How about you tell that to people who can be arrested for possessing a single bullet in DC. Or people in NYC that have to spend hundreds and months of bureaucracy just to get permission to have a gun in their home that everything has gone their way.

Try to read man. I asked him if current laws have gone his way.

My OP question is simple. Where do YOU draw the line on the freedom to carry and discharge firearms?

Actually I answered most of that question in post #21, I say most because this is the first time in the thread you've used the word "discharge". Are you senile or just trying to move the goal posts?

I guess that's an answer. I mean it's pretty ******* vague though. Whatever the bad guys get? How do you measure that? Break it down. This isn't hard to do since you've thought so extensively on the subject, right?

True, I did just throw in "discharge" in that post. I was just trying to make you think with nuance and specifics.

You've got it a bit ass backwards here child. It's on you to justify wanting to limit my rights, I don't have to justify having my rights. At the time the 2nd was written is was perfectly legal to privately own ships of war, then folks like you came along. Figure it out for yourself, I suggest you read the various reports published by the CDC. I've posted one, here's another.

CDC Study: Use of Firearms for Self-Defense is ‘Important Crime Deterrent’

lol I'm not asking you to justify your rights. I want to know, in detail, how far YOU think your gun freedoms should go. I also never said I was against self defense with gun. You're just proving my premise.

 

[OKTexas]

Pretty much. If i desire and I want to spend the money I can have my full auto. If I want a cannon I simply search Dixie gun works and click, bang my brand new 16 pounder is on my door step. Your rant is pointless because hood rats arent using class three weapons or cannons. What you are saying is I cant have guns because other people are using them to kill other people which they will continue to do no matter what tweaks are made to the 2nd.All your limits and lines on the 2nd do nothing but make it harder on people who are not thugs.

See, you're confused. I'm not asking what current laws on guns are. I want to know what YOU think the laws should be.

None. Im thnking they got plenty and most are useless. Matter of fact, I would love to have short barrled rifles off the regulated list as well as suppressors. That way I could go back to shooting in my back yard, and if I ever had to blast a hood rat in my house I wouldn't damage my hearing.

Okay so you're saying it is impossible for a gun control law to be good? Why?

In summary, the Task Force found insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of any of the firearms laws reviewed for preventing violence.

First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws

lol any gun control laws that get passed are always either weak or watered down. Nothing substantial ever gets passed. What you don't know is that gun control laws in Australia work. Gun violence took a nose dive in that country. Mass shootings, specifically.

Read and learn.

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

 

[Billy000]

See, you're confused. I'm not asking what current laws on guns are. I want to know what YOU think the laws should be.

None. Im thnking they got plenty and most are useless. Matter of fact, I would love to have short barrled rifles off the regulated list as well as suppressors. That way I could go back to shooting in my back yard, and if I ever had to blast a hood rat in my house I wouldn't damage my hearing.

Okay so you're saying it is impossible for a gun control law to be good? Why?

In summary, the Task Force found insufficient evidence to determine the effectiveness of any of the firearms laws reviewed for preventing violence.

First Reports Evaluating the Effectiveness of Strategies for Preventing Violence: Firearms Laws

lol any gun control laws that get passed are always either weak or watered down. Nothing substantial ever gets passed. What you don't know is that gun control laws in Australia work. Gun violence took a nose dive in that country. Mass shootings, specifically.

Read and learn.

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

No as I said It was mass shootings that took a nose dive. People could still legally own guns you turd so of course wide gun violence didn't decline. They banned semi automatic weapons.

 

[easyt65]

Do republicans have a limit on their philosophy of gun-owning freedom?

Better Question:

Do Liberals have less of a limit on abortions than Republicans do regarding the Right to Bear Arms?

 

[Wyatt earp]

First off, the fact that you are being hostile towards people with a different opinion of your own by calling them gun nuts shows that once again you really are not interested in any kind of serious discussion. Second, what you suggest is already legal here in Nevada and we have had no issues. As a matter of fact, I was out with a buddy of mine a few months ago at a bar and he had a handgun tucked in to a holster in the back of his jeans and he is not a dumb redneck. He happens to be a very successful insurance agent who makes about three quarters of $1 million a year

In Nevada, anyone can carry a weapon anywhere, anytime?

Open carry is legal anywhere except schools and government buildings. Concealed requires a permit

Okay and no problems whatsoever have arisen because of those laws?

Much safer for law abiding citizens. The castle law in Florida put a stop to home invasions and car jackings. You can shoot the criminal scumbags dead and you can't be sued by their families either.

Ok but what justifies open carry anytime, anywhere?

Read the 2nd..

 

[Billy000]

In Nevada, anyone can carry a weapon anywhere, anytime?

Open carry is legal anywhere except schools and government buildings. Concealed requires a permit

Okay and no problems whatsoever have arisen because of those laws?

Much safer for law abiding citizens. The castle law in Florida put a stop to home invasions and car jackings. You can shoot the criminal scumbags dead and you can't be sued by their families either.

Ok but what justifies open carry anytime, anywhere?

Read the 2nd..

The 2nd amendment doesn't say anything about "anytime" or anywhere. In fact, it barely says anything at all. Of course, the 1st amendment has clear limitations like defamation and child pornography

 

[OKTexas]

Everything has gone our way, really? How about you tell that to people who can be arrested for possessing a single bullet in DC. Or people in NYC that have to spend hundreds and months of bureaucracy just to get permission to have a gun in their home that everything has gone their way.

Try to read man. I asked him if current laws have gone his way.

My OP question is simple. Where do YOU draw the line on the freedom to carry and discharge firearms?

Actually I answered most of that question in post #21, I say most because this is the first time in the thread you've used the word "discharge". Are you senile or just trying to move the goal posts?

I guess that's an answer. I mean it's pretty ******* vague though. Whatever the bad guys get? How do you measure that? Break it down. This isn't hard to do since you've thought so extensively on the subject, right?

True, I did just throw in "discharge" in that post. I was just trying to make you think with nuance and specifics.

You've got it a bit ass backwards here child. It's on you to justify wanting to limit my rights, I don't have to justify having my rights. At the time the 2nd was written is was perfectly legal to privately own ships of war, then folks like you came along. Figure it out for yourself, I suggest you read the various reports published by the CDC. I've posted one, here's another.

CDC Study: Use of Firearms for Self-Defense is ‘Important Crime Deterrent’

lol I'm not asking you to justify your rights. I want to know, in detail, how far YOU think your gun freedoms should go. I also never said I was against self defense with gun. You're just proving my premise.

How far should your rights go? I think I should have the right to have anything I think is needed and can afford.

 

[Billy000]

Try to read man. I asked him if current laws have gone his way.

My OP question is simple. Where do YOU draw the line on the freedom to carry and discharge firearms?

Actually I answered most of that question in post #21, I say most because this is the first time in the thread you've used the word "discharge". Are you senile or just trying to move the goal posts?

I guess that's an answer. I mean it's pretty ******* vague though. Whatever the bad guys get? How do you measure that? Break it down. This isn't hard to do since you've thought so extensively on the subject, right?

True, I did just throw in "discharge" in that post. I was just trying to make you think with nuance and specifics.

You've got it a bit ass backwards here child. It's on you to justify wanting to limit my rights, I don't have to justify having my rights. At the time the 2nd was written is was perfectly legal to privately own ships of war, then folks like you came along. Figure it out for yourself, I suggest you read the various reports published by the CDC. I've posted one, here's another.

CDC Study: Use of Firearms for Self-Defense is ‘Important Crime Deterrent’

lol I'm not asking you to justify your rights. I want to know, in detail, how far YOU think your gun freedoms should go. I also never said I was against self defense with gun. You're just proving my premise.

How far should your rights go? I think I should have the right to have anything I think is needed and can afford.

Lol dude that's not an answer. How does that simple philosophy translate into gun laws?

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Like is it in their fantasy for it to one day be legal for anyone to open-carry automatic rifles whenever and where ever?

My question is where do gun nuts draw the line? Like when it comes to open carry, what rules should it have? Should it have no rules? Like some dumb redneck carrying a gun into a bar til 2 AM is okay? Anyone should be allowed to do that?

As usual republicans struggle with nuance when it comes to political issues they are obsessed with. For example, cons will likely reply to this thread and start making the ridiculous claim that I think the 2nd amendment should be overturned. I don't. I also don't think semi-automatics should be illegal. I support laws that are designed to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people. I also think open carry is ridiculous.

It doesn't really matter if I say all of that though. In their minds I'm a "snowflake" that is outraged over boys playing with toy guns. I'm nothing but a naive, pretentious "libtard" with a Gender's Studies degree who thinks guns are evil. Cliche is something easy for republicans to grasp I guess.

I agree, we need stronger checks on people before they are allowed to own or have a gun in their possession, I also think that some other rights need to be regulated more than they are now, like voting, we need to have some fairly strong checks on people before they/we are allowed to vote, felons should not have the right to vote, those that have ties to communist party politics should not have a right, and we need to be able to prove that every vote is cast by a legal citizen. after the last election and now the obvious confusion of how the elections work in this country, I am seriously tempted to suggest a test of the process prior to being allowed to vote. All of this animosity would not have happened had people understood the process to begin with.
welfare should be reformed so that the only people that are able to receive it are those that truly are unable to work due to health reasons. If you can go out and do any type of labor at all, thats what you should be doing. Maybe supplement some people with low pay, but on a case by case basis. If they claim that cant find work for whatever reason, give them a check and a broom, give them a job sweeping streets or parks or something, but no sitting on their ass just collecting money.
I agree, all rights and privileges should be subject to some standards of proof prior to being executed, I see nothing wrong with any of this at all.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Try to read man. I asked him if current laws have gone his way.

My OP question is simple. Where do YOU draw the line on the freedom to carry and discharge firearms?

Actually I answered most of that question in post #21, I say most because this is the first time in the thread you've used the word "discharge". Are you senile or just trying to move the goal posts?

I guess that's an answer. I mean it's pretty ******* vague though. Whatever the bad guys get? How do you measure that? Break it down. This isn't hard to do since you've thought so extensively on the subject, right?

True, I did just throw in "discharge" in that post. I was just trying to make you think with nuance and specifics.

You've got it a bit ass backwards here child. It's on you to justify wanting to limit my rights, I don't have to justify having my rights. At the time the 2nd was written is was perfectly legal to privately own ships of war, then folks like you came along. Figure it out for yourself, I suggest you read the various reports published by the CDC. I've posted one, here's another.

CDC Study: Use of Firearms for Self-Defense is ‘Important Crime Deterrent’

lol I'm not asking you to justify your rights. I want to know, in detail, how far YOU think your gun freedoms should go. I also never said I was against self defense with gun. You're just proving my premise.

How far should your rights go? I think I should have the right to have anything I think is needed and can afford.

and who decides if you "need" something or not? me? your neighbor? or how about some group of political idiots that have never met you and have no clue what you need or dont need and why.
I have no idea if you need a gun for instance, how can I make an informed decision on your right to have one? I cant, therefore in order not to make an error I would be forced to accept your word for it and agree that your needs are valid.

 

[Kosh]

Like is it in their fantasy for it to one day be legal for anyone to open-carry automatic rifles whenever and where ever?

My question is where do gun nuts draw the line? Like when it comes to open carry, what rules should it have? Should it have no rules? Like some dumb redneck carrying a gun into a bar til 2 AM is okay? Anyone should be allowed to do that?

As usual republicans struggle with nuance when it comes to political issues they are obsessed with. For example, cons will likely reply to this thread and start making the ridiculous claim that I think the 2nd amendment should be overturned. I don't. I also don't think semi-automatics should be illegal. I support laws that are designed to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people. I also think open carry is ridiculous.

It doesn't really matter if I say all of that though. In their minds I'm a "snowflake" that is outraged over boys playing with toy guns. I'm nothing but a naive, pretentious "libtard" with a Gender's Studies degree who thinks guns are evil. Cliche is something easy for republicans to grasp I guess.

Another far left drone failed Thread

 

[owebo]

First off, the fact that you are being hostile towards people with a different opinion of your own by calling them gun nuts shows that once again you really are not interested in any kind of serious discussion. Second, what you suggest is already legal here in Nevada and we have had no issues. As a matter of fact, I was out with a buddy of mine a few months ago at a bar and he had a handgun tucked in to a holster in the back of his jeans and he is not a dumb redneck. He happens to be a very successful insurance agent who makes about three quarters of $1 million a year

In Nevada, anyone can carry a weapon anywhere, anytime?

Open carry is legal anywhere except schools and government buildings. Concealed requires a permit

Okay and no problems whatsoever have arisen because of those laws?

Much safer for law abiding citizens. The castle law in Florida put a stop to home invasions and car jackings. You can shoot the criminal scumbags dead and you can't be sued by their families either.

Ok but what justifies open carry anytime, anywhere?

The individual....

 

[ScienceRocks]

I no longer give a damn... If you want to blow each other away/....Well, that is good for our nation.

 

[Maryland Patriot]

Like is it in their fantasy for it to one day be legal for anyone to open-carry automatic rifles whenever and where ever?

My question is where do gun nuts draw the line? Like when it comes to open carry, what rules should it have? Should it have no rules? Like some dumb redneck carrying a gun into a bar til 2 AM is okay? Anyone should be allowed to do that?

As usual republicans struggle with nuance when it comes to political issues they are obsessed with. For example, cons will likely reply to this thread and start making the ridiculous claim that I think the 2nd amendment should be overturned. I don't. I also don't think semi-automatics should be illegal. I support laws that are designed to keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people. I also think open carry is ridiculous.

It doesn't really matter if I say all of that though. In their minds I'm a "snowflake" that is outraged over boys playing with toy guns. I'm nothing but a naive, pretentious "libtard" with a Gender's Studies degree who thinks guns are evil. Cliche is something easy for republicans to grasp I guess.

Another far left drone failed Thread

I feel sorry for them, so afraid to leave their house, and the funny part is that the vast majority of gun crimes are committed by democrats. Honestly, if the law took handguns away from anyone that ever voted democrat, and there was someone to keep the criminals from having guns, gun crimes would drop by over 90% in this country.
Most of the time when people think someone else is or is going to do something, that person is doing or knows they would do the same thing themselves.

 

[owebo]

Open carry is legal anywhere except schools and government buildings. Concealed requires a permit

Okay and no problems whatsoever have arisen because of those laws?

Much safer for law abiding citizens. The castle law in Florida put a stop to home invasions and car jackings. You can shoot the criminal scumbags dead and you can't be sued by their families either.

Ok but what justifies open carry anytime, anywhere?

The 2nd amendment duh. Who are you to decide what's best for me and my family when it comes to defending ourselves against murderous rapist criminal scum? Go ahead walk through the Chicago ghettos wearing a bunch of gold jewelry unarmed see what that gets you.

So fully automatics should be legal to open carry anywhere, anytime? How about RPG launchers? Should those be legal to own and open carry whereever, whenever?

I'm fine with automatic weapons, the current scheme is unconstitutional....

RPGs are not guns....

 

[Maryland Patriot]

I no longer give a damn... If you want to blow each other away/....Well, that is good for our nation.

science brought us guns.
maybe we should ban science since it keeps putting us in danger. If not for science we would not have wars, guns, missals, global warming, water pollution, over population etc...
all things bad can be traced back to science. Until man is able to properly and safely apply information gained, it should be restricted.

 

[yiostheoy]

I no longer give a damn... If you want to blow each other away/....Well, that is good for our nation.

science brought us guns.
maybe we should ban science since it keeps putting us in danger. If not for science we would not have wars, guns, missals, global warming, water pollution, over population etc...
all things bad can be traced back to science. Until man is able to properly and safely apply information gained, it should be restricted.

Chinese science ... don't forget to give credit where credit is due.

Guns and gunpowder are one (two) of the many things the Chinese get credit for inventing.

Also, rockets, magnetic compasses, early mechanical computers (abacus), modern paper, printing, umbrellas, dominos, playing cards and more.

 

[yiostheoy]

I feel sorry for them, so afraid to leave their house, and the funny part is that the vast majority of gun crimes are committed by democrats. Honestly, if the law took handguns away from anyone that ever voted democrat, and there was someone to keep the criminals from having guns, gun crimes would drop by over 90% in this country.
Most of the time when people think someone else is or is going to do something, that person is doing or knows they would do the same thing themselves.

My sister is like that. She stays home and cooks, cleans, and watches TV when she is not doing her nursing job at the hospital. The only time she goes out is with us in a group when I have my CFP and 45ACP with me and are with them.

 

[yiostheoy]

and who decides if you "need" something or not? me? your neighbor? or how about some group of political idiots that have never met you and have no clue what you need or dont need and why.
I have no idea if you need a gun for instance, how can I make an informed decision on your right to have one? I cant, therefore in order not to make an error I would be forced to accept your word for it and agree that your needs are valid.

Pretty much everything in a democracy or democratic republic or hereditary republic is decided by majority rule of some kind.

 

[yiostheoy]

I agree, we need stronger checks on people before they are allowed to own or have a gun in their possession...

Not so fast.

In the majority of states, almost anyone can own a gun and keep it at their home.

In many states they may take a class and if they have a clean record they can also carry concealed on their person in public.

In some states the required class has a test they must pass.

In my state the class is 4 hours, mostly gun law, and no test.

The Communist states which largely prohibit gun possession of any kind are NYS, DC, and certain cities. Other slightly less communist states like California, NJ, ILL, Md, etc. do not allow their residents to carry in public except in certain limited pre-approved circumstances.

I'm glad I don't live in a Communist state.

If I wanted to live under Communism I would have moved to China or N.Korea long ago.

Or even Europe -- they have gone mostly Communist also with respect to gun prohibition.