R.C. Christian
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LOL, metrics for mail carriers. Too bad they don't put those on capitol hill.
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LOL, metrics for mail carriers. Too bad they don't put those on capitol hill.
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Just take it off. And if they put another take that one off too. Fuck em.
I read on the internet where a fellow did just that. Apparently, the next day his mail carrier was at his door replacing it. As you can see from the section of the OP out of the Mail Carrier's Handbook the USPS is very serious about this program. It is probably a hassle I would lose anyway.
What I am wondering is some letters I receive have bar coding on them, supposedly to facilitate automated sorting by the USPS. Could this lead to the USPS not only recording the delivery, but EACH LETTER I get? Not that I have anything to hide, but we still get junk mail for the people who lived here ten years ago.
If someone was out to damage me, what is to prevent them from sending me mail from some group like the American Nazi Party? I don't want my name associated in any way, especially with being on their mailing list.
As it is now, we are receiving Sports Illustrated which we did not subscribe to. I wrote them and told them to stop, and they did not. Is Sports Illustrated going to show up in a year with a bill, and be able to verify delivery through the USPS?
It started out of curiosity about MSP sticker on my mail box, but as I though about it, I realized it is a good topic for a thread. It effects almost everyone, there are issues from government employee efficiency to Patriot Act which is all over the news on privacy issues. It also does not demand a lot of research to understand. But, in the end, EVERYONE complains about GOVERNMENT EFFICIENCY, we taxpayers should be happy, but I am not. Something about this just does not feel right to me, and I do not know what it is - yet.
Beach....i delivered Mail for 33 years....those stickers have absolutely nothing to do with what you read at their site....all it is, is a way to keep an eye on the carrier....if you have a regular carrier who knows how to do his job you usually get your mail around the same time every day.....or you should anyway.....so them saying it helps them help you with the time is bullshit....if you dont want it in your box rip it off .....and if they put another there take it off....if they say something....tell them you dont want the thing in your box.....they will just stick it in your neighbors box.....tell him the same thing i told you...its your box they cant force you to have it in the box......us Carriers thought it was bullshit and they know it.....it had nothing to do with delivering the mail or the problems the PO is facing.....
Thank you for the inside perspective. Our neighborhood has had the same carrier for at least ten years. Neighbors informed us when we moved in that our carrier should probably be on disability as he has PTSD from military service. Mail gets in the wrong box so frequently, that we took a PO Box. Our carrier misses at least a day of work a week, and has disappeared for months at a time. We get a lot of temporary carriers, and mail can come as late as 7pm, and sometimes not at all. We really do not mind the inconvenience for a war veteran.
Now, I believe some bureaucrat in the post office will fire our mail carrier rather soon. Who knows, I may send a letter complimenting his service. I will not create any kind of a problem for our carrier. Religionwise, I am kind of an Agnostic, but I do believe in the Golden Rule, and I think the Old Testament shares some worthwhile lessons about punishment for our misdeeds. It is not what we do at church on Sunday that matters, it is what we practice in our everyday activities that speaks to our character.
One of these stickers showed up in my mailbox a few weeks ago. I quickly deduced what it was for. And since it was about 1,238 on my list of things to be concerned about, I simply tuned it out.
going postal went out last Century.....and who "hangs out" at the PO?.....I hope you don't "go postal" on this issue...
The Post Office needs accountability and needs to be efficient. It in not a place just to hang out anymore. They want to stay in business and keep those workers who provide a service employed.
going postal went out last Century.....and who "hangs out" at the PO?.....I hope you don't "go postal" on this issue...
The Post Office needs accountability and needs to be efficient. It in not a place just to hang out anymore. They want to stay in business and keep those workers who provide a service employed.
Just take it off. And if they put another take that one off too. Fuck em.
I read on the internet where a fellow did just that. Apparently, the next day his mail carrier was at his door replacing it. As you can see from the section of the OP out of the Mail Carrier's Handbook the USPS is very serious about this program. It is probably a hassle I would lose anyway.
What I am wondering is some letters I receive have bar coding on them, supposedly to facilitate automated sorting by the USPS. Could this lead to the USPS not only recording the delivery, but EACH LETTER I get? Not that I have anything to hide, but we still get junk mail for the people who lived here ten years ago.
If someone was out to damage me, what is to prevent them from sending me mail from some group like the American Nazi Party? I don't want my name associated in any way, especially with being on their mailing list.
As it is now, we are receiving Sports Illustrated which we did not subscribe to. I wrote them and told them to stop, and they did not. Is Sports Illustrated going to show up in a year with a bill, and be able to verify delivery through the USPS?
I read on the internet where a fellow did just that. Apparently, the next day his mail carrier was at his door replacing it. As you can see from the section of the OP out of the Mail Carrier's Handbook the USPS is very serious about this program. It is probably a hassle I would lose anyway.
just say you dont want it on there....its your box they cant make you do anything.....i had lots of people tell me they did not want it there....they just find another place to put it....
What I am wondering is some letters I receive have bar coding on them, supposedly to facilitate automated sorting by the USPS. Could this lead to the USPS not only recording the delivery, but EACH LETTER I get? Not that I have anything to hide, but we still get junk mail for the people who lived here ten years ago.
the bar codes are so the machine the OCR...(Optical character recognition) it goes through knows where it is going.....it also says where it has been.....if you have had a regular Carrier for a while and he is worth a dam you should not be getting anyone elses mail unless it is Current Resident or you have a sub....
If someone was out to damage me, what is to prevent them from sending me mail from some group like the American Nazi Party? I don't want my name associated in any way, especially with being on their mailing list.
anyone with your address can send stuff....if its first or second class just refuse it.....it goes back and the sender has to pay the postage.....if its junk its up to you to contact the company sending it and tell them you dont want it and to take your address off their list....
As it is now, we are receiving Sports Illustrated which we did not subscribe to. I wrote them and told them to stop, and they did not. Is Sports Illustrated going to show up in a year with a bill, and be able to verify delivery through the USPS?
if you refused it and they keep on sending....when the bill shows up refuse it and write on the face of the bill....refused did not order....
going postal went out last Century.....and who "hangs out" at the PO?.....I hope you don't "go postal" on this issue...
The Post Office needs accountability and needs to be efficient. It in not a place just to hang out anymore. They want to stay in business and keep those workers who provide a service employed.
I did some work for the post office some years back. I wasn't a postal employee, I got the job through a temp agency. Still, I worked with a number of actual postal workers, and they told stories of other areas where the employees often did just 'hang out' rather than work.
I also learned to dislike the carriers in the area, as they came to the facility I worked at on their lunch break and more than once did a real number on the bathrooms. *shudder*
That's the only direct experience I have with it though, so I have no idea if the hearsay I got was true or exaggeration or jealousy of people in a better position, etc.
As far as this scanning thing....just how short a time frame are carriers expected to run under, I wonder? Efficiency is well and good, but there's also concern that if they are too draconian in their desire to get the mail delivered at the same time every day, the carriers may end up being unsafe trying to fit their schedule.
Whatever the case, it doesn't sound like anything to be too concerned about. And as others have said, if you ARE concerned, just take the sticker off and tell them you don't want it there.
Beach....i delivered Mail for 33 years....those stickers have absolutely nothing to do with what you read at their site....all it is, is a way to keep an eye on the carrier....if you have a regular carrier who knows how to do his job you usually get your mail around the same time every day.....or you should anyway.....so them saying it helps them help you with the time is bullshit....if you dont want it in your box rip it off .....and if they put another there take it off....if they say something....tell them you dont want the thing in your box.....they will just stick it in your neighbors box.....tell him the same thing i told you...its your box they cant force you to have it in the box......us Carriers thought it was bullshit and they know it.....it had nothing to do with delivering the mail or the problems the PO is facing.....
Thank you for the inside perspective. Our neighborhood has had the same carrier for at least ten years. Neighbors informed us when we moved in that our carrier should probably be on disability as he has PTSD from military service. Mail gets in the wrong box so frequently, that we took a PO Box. Our carrier misses at least a day of work a week, and has disappeared for months at a time. We get a lot of temporary carriers, and mail can come as late as 7pm, and sometimes not at all. We really do not mind the inconvenience for a war veteran.
Now, I believe some bureaucrat in the post office will fire our mail carrier rather soon. Who knows, I may send a letter complimenting his service. I will not create any kind of a problem for our carrier. Religionwise, I am kind of an Agnostic, but I do believe in the Golden Rule, and I think the Old Testament shares some worthwhile lessons about punishment for our misdeeds. It is not what we do at church on Sunday that matters, it is what we practice in our everyday activities that speaks to our character.
he wont get fired....unless a Vet is caught stealing or doing something pretty bad they wont fire him...a Veteran is pretty dam hard to fire.....and that has nothing to do with the Union....if your mail is being mis-delivered COMPLAIN....and i am serious....they know who delivered your street they know who to get on....if you have a lot of subs chances are its them mis-delivering.... after my day off or if i was off a few days i used to pick up lots of mis-deliveries....
One of these stickers showed up in my mailbox a few weeks ago. I quickly deduced what it was for. And since it was about 1,238 on my list of things to be concerned about, I simply tuned it out.
One of these stickers showed up in my mailbox a few weeks ago. I quickly deduced what it was for. And since it was about 1,238 on my list of things to be concerned about, I simply tuned it out.
it is nothing to be concerned about.....the carrier is being forced to scan those non essential things...its just a way for some useless middle manager to justify him being there....otherwise....he doesn't do much....
Its a time management tool. City carriers are managed right down to the minute. It means nothing to the resident and is merely a means for the Post Master of the local branch to keep track of the carriers.
I'm not sure what kind of answer would satisfy your question.Its a time management tool. City carriers are managed right down to the minute. It means nothing to the resident and is merely a means for the Post Master of the local branch to keep track of the carriers.
On the surface that is fine. One of our clients had a national sales force. The sales people carried a computer input sheet and marked where they had been and what they had sold to each client. Keeping the pressure on to sell, made a certain amount of sense, but eight calls per day were expected of each sales person.
In the Denver office the sales force had little trouble, but the sales people who went to Pueblo, Grand Junction, and Ft. Collins were always justifying their time, and the company lost some good sales people. What assurance is there that the person in home office reading the computer print outs has a sense of geographical size of territories?
I'm not sure what kind of answer would satisfy your question.Its a time management tool. City carriers are managed right down to the minute. It means nothing to the resident and is merely a means for the Post Master of the local branch to keep track of the carriers.
On the surface that is fine. One of our clients had a national sales force. The sales people carried a computer input sheet and marked where they had been and what they had sold to each client. Keeping the pressure on to sell, made a certain amount of sense, but eight calls per day were expected of each sales person.
In the Denver office the sales force had little trouble, but the sales people who went to Pueblo, Grand Junction, and Ft. Collins were always justifying their time, and the company lost some good sales people. What assurance is there that the person in home office reading the computer print outs has a sense of geographical size of territories?
I know of rural postal routes that are only 50 miles long, but have 250 boxes. It takes a full 8.5 hours to run the route including the case time.
In some parts of the southwest, postal routes are 300 miles long, but only have 40 boxes. They take a full 8 hours to run including the case time.
City carriers have it even harder. In the Post Office I worked, back when I was an RCAC, the city carriers had one vehicle, and two routes. One route was wholly a foot route and the managed service points were located at the mail boxes found on the street corners and in the downtown section. The carrier had to scan them within a specific time after having scanned out of the office. Each Post Master would walk the route with their city carrier once a year and they would determine the delivery time based upon that yearly audit and they assigned the scan times.
I personally thought it was micromanagement to the nth degree, but it is what it is. That is the only real purpose of these managed service point scanners.
Think of them like a security guard who walks around with a key and has to hit the key box for each round he or she makes at specific times.
I'm not sure what kind of answer would satisfy your question.Its a time management tool. City carriers are managed right down to the minute. It means nothing to the resident and is merely a means for the Post Master of the local branch to keep track of the carriers.
On the surface that is fine. One of our clients had a national sales force. The sales people carried a computer input sheet and marked where they had been and what they had sold to each client. Keeping the pressure on to sell, made a certain amount of sense, but eight calls per day were expected of each sales person.
In the Denver office the sales force had little trouble, but the sales people who went to Pueblo, Grand Junction, and Ft. Collins were always justifying their time, and the company lost some good sales people. What assurance is there that the person in home office reading the computer print outs has a sense of geographical size of territories?
I know of rural postal routes that are only 50 miles long, but have 250 boxes. It takes a full 8.5 hours to run the route including the case time.
In some parts of the southwest, postal routes are 300 miles long, but only have 40 boxes. They take a full 8 hours to run including the case time.
City carriers have it even harder. In the Post Office I worked, back when I was an RCAC, the city carriers had one vehicle, and two routes. One route was wholly a foot route and the managed service points were located at the mail boxes found on the street corners and in the downtown section. The carrier had to scan them within a specific time after having scanned out of the office. Each Post Master would walk the route with their city carrier once a year and they would determine the delivery time based upon that yearly audit and they assigned the scan times.
I personally thought it was micromanagement to the nth degree, but it is what it is. That is the only real purpose of these managed service point scanners.
Think of them like a security guard who walks around with a key and has to hit the key box for each round he or she makes at specific times.
I delivered in a small town in Northeast Pennsylvania. The Post Master there was a woman bucking to get promoted to the regional office. I can't for the life of Me, remember her tittle. But she walked the city routes every year I was there. She had a real thing about keeping Overtime to zero. Oh, and our office is small. It didn't have a carrier supervisor. We had four Rural routes, two city routes, one full time clerk and one part-time clerk shared between three offices.I'm not sure what kind of answer would satisfy your question.On the surface that is fine. One of our clients had a national sales force. The sales people carried a computer input sheet and marked where they had been and what they had sold to each client. Keeping the pressure on to sell, made a certain amount of sense, but eight calls per day were expected of each sales person.
In the Denver office the sales force had little trouble, but the sales people who went to Pueblo, Grand Junction, and Ft. Collins were always justifying their time, and the company lost some good sales people. What assurance is there that the person in home office reading the computer print outs has a sense of geographical size of territories?
I know of rural postal routes that are only 50 miles long, but have 250 boxes. It takes a full 8.5 hours to run the route including the case time.
In some parts of the southwest, postal routes are 300 miles long, but only have 40 boxes. They take a full 8 hours to run including the case time.
City carriers have it even harder. In the Post Office I worked, back when I was an RCAC, the city carriers had one vehicle, and two routes. One route was wholly a foot route and the managed service points were located at the mail boxes found on the street corners and in the downtown section. The carrier had to scan them within a specific time after having scanned out of the office. Each Post Master would walk the route with their city carrier once a year and they would determine the delivery time based upon that yearly audit and they assigned the scan times.
I personally thought it was micromanagement to the nth degree, but it is what it is. That is the only real purpose of these managed service point scanners.
Think of them like a security guard who walks around with a key and has to hit the key box for each round he or she makes at specific times.
what City did you work in?....in 33 years i have never seen or heard of a Post Master getting off his ass and walking the route with anyone.....the Carrier Supervisor yea....but not the PM....