Discussion: is Fascism a left or right wing government type?

[Confounding]

Now, I've always been pretty sure that Fascism was a right wing government type. Hitler hated the Jews in large part because they were Marxist, no? It directly opposes liberalism in the way it seeks to run government. Some people on the right seem to think that the authoritarian element that gives the government a lot of power under Fascism automatically makes it a leftist ideology. Is that how it works? Big government automatically means it belongs to the left? Or is it possible that not all right wing ideology calls for tiny government?

 

[SavannahMann]

Yes.

 

[Mac1958]

Thousandth thread on this.

Both ends will claim that Fascism belongs to the other, and the memories of millions who suffered will once again be peed on for some perceived temporary political advantage.

And, here we go.
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[Siete]

describes Trump to a T ...

Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce.

 

[Confounding]

Thousandth thread on this.

Both ends will claim that Fascism belongs to the other, and the memories of millions who suffered will once again be peed on.

And, here we go.
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Right, but isn't that ridiculous? It seems kinda clear which end it manifested in. It was in opposition of Marxism and liberalism.

 

[mamooth]

The right is more of a fan of big government than the left.

They just lie about it. They just want their big government in different places than the left does.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Now, I've always been pretty sure that Fascism was a right wing government type. Hitler hated the Jews in large part because they were Marxist, no? It directly opposes liberalism in the way it seeks to run government. Some people on the right seem to think that the authoritarian element that gives the government a lot of power under Fascism automatically makes it a leftist ideology. Is that how it works? Big government automatically means it belongs to the left? Or is it possible that not all right wing ideology calls for tiny government?

Depends on who you ask. If you ask a political scholar, they will tell you that fascism is a far right type of government. If you ask those who write political definitions, they will tell you the same thing.

If you ask a far right conservative, they will tell you fascism is a liberal ideology.

It's really too bad that people don't understand the meanings of what terms actually mean any more.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Now, I've always been pretty sure that Fascism was a right wing government type. Hitler hated the Jews in large part because they were Marxist, no? It directly opposes liberalism in the way it seeks to run government. Some people on the right seem to think that the authoritarian element that gives the government a lot of power under Fascism automatically makes it a leftist ideology. Is that how it works? Big government automatically means it belongs to the left? Or is it possible that not all right wing ideology calls for tiny government?

One side wants you to pay for healthcare, welfare, social justice programs, hire for racial demographics over skill and would like for you to STFU and not have guns to defend yourself for your thoughts.

The other wants you to defend yourself and take care of your own health needs and keep what you can earn in an equal society.

Which one is left and which is right in today's politics?

 

[hazlnut]

Now, I've always been pretty sure that Fascism was a right wing government type. Hitler hated the Jews in large part because they were Marxist, no? It directly opposes liberalism in the way it seeks to run government. Some people on the right seem to think that the authoritarian element that gives the government a lot of power under Fascism automatically makes it a leftist ideology. Is that how it works? Big government automatically means it belongs to the left? Or is it possible that not all right wing ideology calls for tiny government?

You have to see beyond a single axis political spectrum...

Political scientists don't always agree on how an accurate spectrum should look, I only offer this as an example.


Fascism is associated with racism and anti-imigration.

To 1960-70s radicals associated fascism with police and government in general.


Like many words, the current context and mood is important.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

It's no wonder why so many Americans don't grasp what Fascism is.....Nationalism which is central to Fascism is a foreign concept in the U.S.

A Nationalist government cares about nation first.

This is certainly not true with Liberals, nor Conservatives in the U.S.

Liberals care most about equality.

Conservatives care most about freedom.

Neither side really puts the nation first.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Now, I've always been pretty sure that Fascism was a right wing government type. Hitler hated the Jews in large part because they were Marxist, no? It directly opposes liberalism in the way it seeks to run government. Some people on the right seem to think that the authoritarian element that gives the government a lot of power under Fascism automatically makes it a leftist ideology. Is that how it works? Big government automatically means it belongs to the left? Or is it possible that not all right wing ideology calls for tiny government?

By the original French definition both Liberals, and Conservatives in the U.S would actually be more, or less Left wing.

The most important feature of Right wing by the original French definition is in support of Hierarchy.

Thus in comparison to Nazi Germany both Democrats, and Republicans would be Left wing.

 

[francoHFW]

Fascism is RW, no matter what stupid, ignorant "Liberal Fascism" and the dupes say. That stupid Brainwashed idea started very recently. A disgrace. Only in America with our bought off GOP idiot media...

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

describes Trump to a T ...

Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce.

The ideas to why Fascists control industry vs Communists are completely different.

The Fascist wants to manage Capitalism to prevent Capitalists from promoting social Liberalism, and to manage National interest.'

The Communist wants to manage Capitalism to prevent Capitalist gauging, and hierarchies.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Now, I've always been pretty sure that Fascism was a right wing government type. Hitler hated the Jews in large part because they were Marxist, no? It directly opposes liberalism in the way it seeks to run government. Some people on the right seem to think that the authoritarian element that gives the government a lot of power under Fascism automatically makes it a leftist ideology. Is that how it works? Big government automatically means it belongs to the left? Or is it possible that not all right wing ideology calls for tiny government?

Depends on who you ask. If you ask a political scholar, they will tell you that fascism is a far right type of government. If you ask those who write political definitions, they will tell you the same thing.

If you ask a far right conservative, they will tell you fascism is a liberal ideology.

It's really too bad that people don't understand the meanings of what terms actually mean any more.

Nazis were right wing Socialists, while they were indeed Socialists some simple research on the German Labour Front, or Council of Trust proves they were Socialists.
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The Nazis on the other hand supported a massive hierarchy, especially when it came to race, which hierarchy by definition can't be Liberal, nor Left wing.
Furthermore in general the Nazis were very socially Conservative, having a very strict society which enforced social Conservative values.

 

[WelfareQueen]

describes Trump to a T ...

Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce.

Sounds like Stalin or Mao to me. Were they left or right?

 

[francoHFW]

describes Trump to a T ...

Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce.

Sounds like Stalin or Mao to me. Were they left or right?

Fascism is capitalist, like Nazism. Communism the government owns and runs all industry and businesses.

 

[francoHFW]

Opinion | Why Women Had Better Sex Under Socialism
Interesting. But they're talking about communism GD IT!

 

[Siete]

describes Trump to a T ...

Fascism /ˈfæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism, characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and control of industry and commerce.

Sounds like Stalin or Mao to me. Were they left or right?

authoritarian nationalism = TRUMP.

THE END

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Fascism is RW, no matter what stupid, ignorant "Liberal Fascism" and the dupes say. That stupid Brainwashed idea started very recently. A disgrace. Only in America with our bought off GOP idiot media...

Explain how everything you on the left want to force people to do is anything less than fascism. For a bonus point explain how letting people live without government force on the right the same thing.

 

[francoHFW]

Fascism is RW, no matter what stupid, ignorant "Liberal Fascism" and the dupes say. That stupid Brainwashed idea started very recently. A disgrace. Only in America with our bought off GOP idiot media...

Explain how everything you on the left want to force people to do is anything less than fascism. For a bonus point explain how letting people live without government force on the right the same thing.

Fascism is totalitarian duh... Since your 2nd sentence is gibberish, what do we want again? A health system?