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sure they can afford it, they merely don't carry a credit card. Instead, they have cash, not allowed.all examples of the same thing. discrimination of something.What does 'signing a contract' have to do with it?
What does having a credit card have to do with it, try renting a car without one, most rental car companies won't even accept cash.
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I'm really tired of the non sequitur questions in this thread.
Right, refusing service to someone who is unable to pay is the exact same thing as refusing service for the color of one's skin.
is it refusing service or not? Cash vs credit card.sure they can afford it, they merely don't carry a credit card. Instead, they have cash, not allowed.all examples of the same thing. discrimination of something.What does having a credit card have to do with it, try renting a car without one, most rental car companies won't even accept cash.
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I'm really tired of the non sequitur questions in this thread.
Right, refusing service to someone who is unable to pay is the exact same thing as refusing service for the color of one's skin.
This is such a stupid conversation and I blame myself for replying to you. The credit card is to cover damages beyond whatever the car rental rate is, usually to fill the insurance deductible gap.
Again, this is a truly pointless and I have no idea why I'm responding to such a waste of time.
The difference is that a baker is an artist, and as such has to craft the item desired by the customer.a better question is where to you stand on it? Can bakeries discriminate if Walmart can discriminate?
That's incorrect. The gay couple didn't ask the baker to create a unique cake, they simply ordered a cake that the baker already makes, they didn't ask for anything additional or creative. Basically, they ordered a product.
Contracted, not point of sale.
PA law shouldn't apply in this narrow case.
So if a gay person orders a Whopper at BK, they have to sell it to him, but if a gay person orders a Whopper without cheese,
BK can refuse because they don't do special orders for gays?
lol
Only if they order a special gay burger and want the restaurant to deliver, when the restaurant doesn't do gay burgers.
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refusing service is refusing service.The difference is that a baker is an artist, and as such has to craft the item desired by the customer.
That's incorrect. The gay couple didn't ask the baker to create a unique cake, they simply ordered a cake that the baker already makes, they didn't ask for anything additional or creative. Basically, they ordered a product.
Contracted, not point of sale.
PA law shouldn't apply in this narrow case.
So if a gay person orders a Whopper at BK, they have to sell it to him, but if a gay person orders a Whopper without cheese,
BK can refuse because they don't do special orders for gays?
lol
Only if they order a special gay burger and want the restaurant to deliver, when the restaurant doesn't do gay burgers.
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Totally doesn't match up with the bakery but OK.
is it refusing service or not? Cash vs credit card.sure they can afford it, they merely don't carry a credit card. Instead, they have cash, not allowed.all examples of the same thing. discrimination of something.I'm really tired of the non sequitur questions in this thread.
Right, refusing service to someone who is unable to pay is the exact same thing as refusing service for the color of one's skin.
This is such a stupid conversation and I blame myself for replying to you. The credit card is to cover damages beyond whatever the car rental rate is, usually to fill the insurance deductible gap.
Again, this is a truly pointless and I have no idea why I'm responding to such a waste of time.
refusing service is refusing service.That's incorrect. The gay couple didn't ask the baker to create a unique cake, they simply ordered a cake that the baker already makes, they didn't ask for anything additional or creative. Basically, they ordered a product.
Contracted, not point of sale.
PA law shouldn't apply in this narrow case.
So if a gay person orders a Whopper at BK, they have to sell it to him, but if a gay person orders a Whopper without cheese,
BK can refuse because they don't do special orders for gays?
lol
Only if they order a special gay burger and want the restaurant to deliver, when the restaurant doesn't do gay burgers.
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Totally doesn't match up with the bakery but OK.
well yes they are. It's going to SCOTUSis it refusing service or not? Cash vs credit card.sure they can afford it, they merely don't carry a credit card. Instead, they have cash, not allowed.all examples of the same thing. discrimination of something.
Right, refusing service to someone who is unable to pay is the exact same thing as refusing service for the color of one's skin.
This is such a stupid conversation and I blame myself for replying to you. The credit card is to cover damages beyond whatever the car rental rate is, usually to fill the insurance deductible gap.
Again, this is a truly pointless and I have no idea why I'm responding to such a waste of time.
Did someone ever make the point that a business can never refuse service? Again, pointless.
why does it matter why one refuses service? refusing it is still refusing it. then one can never refuse servicerefusing service is refusing service.Contracted, not point of sale.
PA law shouldn't apply in this narrow case.
So if a gay person orders a Whopper at BK, they have to sell it to him, but if a gay person orders a Whopper without cheese,
BK can refuse because they don't do special orders for gays?
lol
Only if they order a special gay burger and want the restaurant to deliver, when the restaurant doesn't do gay burgers.
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Totally doesn't match up with the bakery but OK.
Whatever that means.
Where does the Constitution mention race or color?they have a state law that includes age in discrimination lawshttps://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...420060cb7bd_story.html?utm_term=.aad35c23c783
PORTLAND, Ore. — An Oregon man filed suits Monday claiming Dick’s Sporting Goods and Walmart discriminated against the 20-year-old when they refused to sell him a rifle.
Dick’s and Walmart restricted gun sales to adults 21 and older in the wake of the Florida high school massacre. The 19-year-old accused in the school slaying bought the AR-15 used in the attack legally.
Oregon law allows residents to buy shotguns or rifles starting at age 18.
Watson is asking judges to force Dick’s and Walmart “to stop unlawfully discriminating against 18, 19, and 20 year-old customers at all Oregon locations.” Additionally, he is asking for unspecified punitive damages.
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2015 ORS 659A.403¹
Discrimination in place of public accommodation prohibited
Except as provided in subsection (2) of this section, all persons within the jurisdiction of this state are entitled to the full and equal accommodations, advantages, facilities and privileges of any place of public accommodation, without any distinction, discrimination or restriction on account of race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, national origin, marital status or age if the individual is of age, as described in this section, or older.
Looks like those fascist PA laws are coming back to haunt some people
No shirts, no shoes, no serve. This will be an interesting case--but I think private business & industry in this country have the U.S. Constitutional right to refuse service to anyone they choose.
The Right to Refuse Service: Can a Business Refuse Service to Someone?Under federal anti-discrimination laws, businesses can refuse service to any person for any reason, unless the business is discriminating against a protected class. At the national level, protected classes include: Race or color.Mar 21, 2017
IOW--if wedding cake and pizza joints can refuse service to gays and get away with it, I would presume that Dick's sporting goods and Walmart &-(since they are both national companies) located in more than one state can refuse service on all gun sales to people under 21, regardless of Oregon state law.
You have to be 21 years old in this country to qualify for purchase of a handgun. Is that discrimination? AR-15's AK'S & others are not classified as military assault weapons or semi-automatics, they are simply classified as "rifles."
Kroger to raise age limit on gun sales to 21
It doesn't matter if they have a state law, the U.S. Constitution will always "TRUMP" state law. IOW--if this got as far as the U.S. Supreme Court--the Oregon law would be overruled. Business's can refuse service to anyone they choose, as long as it's not about race or color. The second issue with this is that they are both national corporations, and therefore not necessarily controlled by a single state law.
You should know by now--that if wedding cake makers and pizza joints can refuse service to gays--then guns sales by private business can also be discretional according to age.
The Right to Refuse Service: Can a Business Refuse Service to Someone?
The Right to Refuse Service: Can a Business Refuse Service to Someone?Under federal anti-discrimination laws, businesses can refuse service to any person for any reason, unless the business is discriminating against a protected class. At the national level, protected classes include: Race or color.Mar 21, 2017
well yes they are. It's going to SCOTUSis it refusing service or not? Cash vs credit card.sure they can afford it, they merely don't carry a credit card. Instead, they have cash, not allowed.Right, refusing service to someone who is unable to pay is the exact same thing as refusing service for the color of one's skin.
This is such a stupid conversation and I blame myself for replying to you. The credit card is to cover damages beyond whatever the car rental rate is, usually to fill the insurance deductible gap.
Again, this is a truly pointless and I have no idea why I'm responding to such a waste of time.
Did someone ever make the point that a business can never refuse service? Again, pointless.
why does it matter why one refuses service? refusing it is still refusing it. then one can never refuse servicerefusing service is refusing service.So if a gay person orders a Whopper at BK, they have to sell it to him, but if a gay person orders a Whopper without cheese,
BK can refuse because they don't do special orders for gays?
lol
Only if they order a special gay burger and want the restaurant to deliver, when the restaurant doesn't do gay burgers.
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Totally doesn't match up with the bakery but OK.
Whatever that means.
I asked you where it said that in the Constitution.Where does the Constitution mention race or color?they have a state law that includes age in discrimination lawshttps://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...420060cb7bd_story.html?utm_term=.aad35c23c783
PORTLAND, Ore. — An Oregon man filed suits Monday claiming Dick’s Sporting Goods and Walmart discriminated against the 20-year-old when they refused to sell him a rifle.
Dick’s and Walmart restricted gun sales to adults 21 and older in the wake of the Florida high school massacre. The 19-year-old accused in the school slaying bought the AR-15 used in the attack legally.
Oregon law allows residents to buy shotguns or rifles starting at age 18.
Watson is asking judges to force Dick’s and Walmart “to stop unlawfully discriminating against 18, 19, and 20 year-old customers at all Oregon locations.” Additionally, he is asking for unspecified punitive damages.
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2015 ORS 659A.403¹
Discrimination in place of public accommodation prohibited
Except as provided in subsection (2) of this section, all persons within the jurisdiction of this state are entitled to the full and equal accommodations, advantages, facilities and privileges of any place of public accommodation, without any distinction, discrimination or restriction on account of race, color, religion, sex, sexual orientation, national origin, marital status or age if the individual is of age, as described in this section, or older.
Looks like those fascist PA laws are coming back to haunt some people
No shirts, no shoes, no serve. This will be an interesting case--but I think private business & industry in this country have the U.S. Constitutional right to refuse service to anyone they choose.
The Right to Refuse Service: Can a Business Refuse Service to Someone?Under federal anti-discrimination laws, businesses can refuse service to any person for any reason, unless the business is discriminating against a protected class. At the national level, protected classes include: Race or color.Mar 21, 2017
IOW--if wedding cake and pizza joints can refuse service to gays and get away with it, I would presume that Dick's sporting goods and Walmart &-(since they are both national companies) located in more than one state can refuse service on all gun sales to people under 21, regardless of Oregon state law.
You have to be 21 years old in this country to qualify for purchase of a handgun. Is that discrimination? AR-15's AK'S & others are not classified as military assault weapons or semi-automatics, they are simply classified as "rifles."
Kroger to raise age limit on gun sales to 21
It doesn't matter if they have a state law, the U.S. Constitution will always "TRUMP" state law. IOW--if this got as far as the U.S. Supreme Court--the Oregon law would be overruled. Business's can refuse service to anyone they choose, as long as it's not about race or color. The second issue with this is that they are both national corporations, and therefore not necessarily controlled by a single state law.
You should know by now--that if wedding cake makers and pizza joints can refuse service to gays--then guns sales by private business can also be discretional according to age.
The Right to Refuse Service: Can a Business Refuse Service to Someone?
I just posted it, here it is again. It's federal anti-discrimation law.
The Right to Refuse Service: Can a Business Refuse Service to Someone?Under federal anti-discrimination laws, businesses can refuse service to any person for any reason, unless the business is discriminating against a protected class. At the national level, protected classes include: Race or color.Mar 21, 2017
Nope. Never. Unless it is coming from the government.why does it matter why one refuses service? refusing it is still refusing it. then one can never refuse servicerefusing service is refusing service.Only if they order a special gay burger and want the restaurant to deliver, when the restaurant doesn't do gay burgers.
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Totally doesn't match up with the bakery but OK.
Whatever that means.
I know I'm going to regret this. So, you're point is that no one should be refused service, ever?
well yes they are. It's going to SCOTUSis it refusing service or not? Cash vs credit card.sure they can afford it, they merely don't carry a credit card. Instead, they have cash, not allowed.
This is such a stupid conversation and I blame myself for replying to you. The credit card is to cover damages beyond whatever the car rental rate is, usually to fill the insurance deductible gap.
Again, this is a truly pointless and I have no idea why I'm responding to such a waste of time.
Did someone ever make the point that a business can never refuse service? Again, pointless.
Well yes they are make the point that a business can never refuse service? What?
The Right to Refuse Service: Can a Business Refuse Service to Someone?Under federal anti-discrimination laws, businesses can refuse service to any person for any reason, unless the business is discriminating against a protected class. At the national level, protected classes include: Race or color.Mar 21, 2017
Republicans should just change their name to the Socialist Party of America now that they want to tell private businesses what to do.
Nope. Never. Unless it is coming from the government.why does it matter why one refuses service? refusing it is still refusing it. then one can never refuse servicerefusing service is refusing service.Totally doesn't match up with the bakery but OK.
Whatever that means.
I know I'm going to regret this. So, you're point is that no one should be refused service, ever?
