Dick Cheney would be considered brilliant if

[concept]

Dick Cheney would have been considered brilliant if:
There would have been weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq.

If the Americans would have been greeted as liberators by the Iraquis after throwing over Saddam.

If an exemplerary Democracy would have been able to be set up in Iraq.

If that Iraq democracy would have had a domino effect resulting in democracies through out the middle east.

If the over throw of Saddam would not have strengthened Iran in the middle east.

If torture had actually provided better intelligence than the proven tactic previously used by our intelligence community.

I could go on but I do not want to kick a dead horse.

History has shown Dick Cheney to be absolutely wrong on the vast majority of assumptions he based his policies on. His incompetence has harmed the US and the entire world.

He will go down as the most powerful vice president and the worst vice president in history.

Very few human beings have had such a negative effect on the world. History will not be kind to Dick Cheney.

if.... he were a democrat.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Dick Cheney would have been considered brilliant if:
There would have been weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq.

If the Americans would have been greeted as liberators by the Iraquis after throwing over Saddam.

If an exemplerary Democracy would have been able to be set up in Iraq.

If that Iraq democracy would have had a domino effect resulting in democracies through out the middle east.

If the over throw of Saddam would not have strengthened Iran in the middle east.

If torture had actually provided better intelligence than the proven tactic previously used by our intelligence community.

I could go on but I do not want to kick a dead horse.

History has shown Dick Cheney to be absolutely wrong on the vast majority of assumptions he based his policies on. His incompetence has harmed the US and the entire world.

He will go down as the most powerful vice president and the worst vice president in history.

Very few human beings have had such a negative effect on the world. History will not be kind to Dick Cheney.

Your premises are wrong

• There were WMD in Iraq
  
• America was greated by liberators, not by Al Qaida though.
  
• At least one major state sponsor of terrorism is no longer sponsoring terrorism. Also, having 100,000 american troops right near Syria, and Iran, gives them a clear message too.
  
• Waterboarding was used on only 3 arch terrorists. Because of it two major terrorists attacks within America were foiled, and thousands of american lives were saved.
  
• Cheney was spot on

Your premises are completely wrong

Hey.....Chump Mike........

There were ZERO WMD's in Iran. It was a war for oil and profit for Cheney and Bush Jr. All they ever found were some aluminum tubing, not WMD's.

America wasn't greeted as liberators. Why? We weren't wanted there as AQ had already been there and scared the population. We didn't start to get friendly with the people until after we'd been there for a while and the TROOPS ON THE GROUND, not the idiots running the war are the ones that started to turn it around by going out and actually interacting and staying with the local people rather than leave the base at day and return at night.

Who is the major state sponsor of terrorism that dropped out?

The attacks that waterboarding prevented was a total fabrication. The dates don't match up.

Cheney was spot on? Really? About what? The old dumb fucker has been wrong about every decision he's made with the exception of the greedy ones that benefited only himself.

By the way Chump Mike, did you ever serve?

 

[froggy]

Dick Cheney would have been considered brilliant if:
There would have been weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq.

If the Americans would have been greeted as liberators by the Iraquis after throwing over Saddam.

If an exemplerary Democracy would have been able to be set up in Iraq.

If that Iraq democracy would have had a domino effect resulting in democracies through out the middle east.

If the over throw of Saddam would not have strengthened Iran in the middle east.

If torture had actually provided better intelligence than the proven tactic previously used by our intelligence community.

I could go on but I do not want to kick a dead horse.

History has shown Dick Cheney to be absolutely wrong on the vast majority of assumptions he based his policies on. His incompetence has harmed the US and the entire world.

He will go down as the most powerful vice president and the worst vice president in history.

Very few human beings have had such a negative effect on the world. History will not be kind to Dick Cheney.

And his idiot puppet Bush played a major role.

But Bush was definitely the puppet and Cheney pulled the strings.

Toward the end of Bush's second term he realized Cheney's advise was not working. Bush was not real quick.

Since Bush was incapable of decisions on his own he started to let others than Cheney pull his strings and the last 2 years of his presidency was his best. That is a relative analysis.

I think Bushes daddy sent cheney along to ward off him embaressing the Bush name, but it didn't work. Nothing would've helped Dubba.

 

[Charles Stucker]

FDR and Churchill defeated possibly the greatest tyrant the world has seen, Adolph Hitler.

That's like saying Stalin helped defeat Hitler.
The Russians did more to defeat Hitler than the allies. Look at German casualties to confirm this. But George Zhukov played the pivotal role there, not Stalin. In fact Stalin's interference in military matters made things harder on the Russians; much like Hitler's interference cost Germany any hope of victory or even stalemate.

FDR destroyed constitutional balances to aggrandize his own office. He sought out war because his socialist policies had failed and that was the only cure he could see for the economy - kill thousands of young Americans. FAR FAR worse than the offenses of Cheney.

Churchill BUNGLED during WWI note that is the FIRST WW. HE could have taken steps to reduce the chance of a second war and failed. Miserably.

And frankly talking about evil done in 'few' as percentage of the hundred billion or so humans ever to live, then Obama and most of our elected officials could easily qualify for that same level of evil. Either FEW means a dozen or so, or it has so little meaning as to be another weasel word used here by left wing parasites to press their agenda of BLAME BOOOOOOOOOOSH

 

[ElmerMudd]

And his idiot puppet Bush played a major role.

But Bush was definitely the puppet and Cheney pulled the strings.

Toward the end of Bush's second term he realized Cheney's advise was not working. Bush was not real quick.

Since Bush was incapable of decisions on his own he started to let others than Cheney pull his strings and the last 2 years of his presidency was his best. That is a relative analysis.

I think Bushes daddy sent cheney along to ward off him embaressing the Bush name, but it didn't work. Nothing would've helped Dubba.

agreed

 

[ElmerMudd]

FDR and Churchill defeated possibly the greatest tyrant the world has seen, Adolph Hitler.

That's like saying Stalin helped defeat Hitler.
The Russians did more to defeat Hitler than the allies. Look at German casualties to confirm this. But George Zhukov played the pivotal role there, not Stalin. In fact Stalin's interference in military matters made things harder on the Russians; much like Hitler's interference cost Germany any hope of victory or even stalemate.

FDR destroyed constitutional balances to aggrandize his own office. He sought out war because his socialist policies had failed and that was the only cure he could see for the economy - kill thousands of young Americans. FAR FAR worse than the offenses of Cheney.

Churchill BUNGLED during WWI note that is the FIRST WW. HE could have taken steps to reduce the chance of a second war and failed. Miserably.

And frankly talking about evil done in 'few' as percentage of the hundred billion or so humans ever to live, then Obama and most of our elected officials could easily qualify for that same level of evil. Either FEW means a dozen or so, or it has so little meaning as to be another weasel word used here by left wing parasites to press their agenda of BLAME BOOOOOOOOOOSH

Charley, come on buddy, what history books do you read

Stalin and Russia did help defeat Hitler. The tyrannical leadership of Stalin over road his success in WW II. History is looking at the biggest affect he had on his country and the world, that was his tyrannical leadership after the war.

Churchill is best known for saving the UK, Europe and the world from the tyranny of Hitler. Britain was one of the few countries to enter WW II without being attacked. Nothing Churchill did surpassed his success in WW II. The success in WWII over rides smaller mistakes he made.

FDR sought out war? That just shows how you ignore the facts. We were attacked you idiot!!! Did you ever hear about Pearl Harbor. Up to that point FDR had refused to enter the war.
FDR did make big government reforms to pull us out of the depression. He made the changes well within the constitution. The lack of government regulation created the great depression. The solution required more government reform and it worked. If it had not worked history would not be kind to FDR.

Cheney did nothing bigger than how he bungled Iraq. History will judge him accordingly.

 

[txlonghorn]

thank God we don't have to worry having an Obama Jr fiasco

 

[Charles Stucker]

Did you ever hear about Pearl Harbor.

Did you ever hear about Oil embargoes? Saber rattling? Positioning the fleet for a quick strike at Honshu?
It was the American People who refused to go to war, Roosevelt wanted, nay NEEDED an excuse. Because his unconstitutional socialist policies had FAILED to end the recession and in fact deepened it to a great depression.

You're too ignorant to be believable, except for the simple fact that education in America is at a nadir.
Is that your excuse?

 

[George Costanza]

You all do realize that they have quite successfully deflected the entire purpose of this thread, right?

 

[CMike]

Liberals are intellectually challenged so I will repost this.

To get to the supporting links, you need to go to the the link right below.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/1978892-post1.html

Top Ten Liberal Lies

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

There are a lot of them, here are some

1) Hussein had no ties with Al Qaida.

Wrong! According to the DOD and CIA Hussein had ties with Al Qaida that went back a decade.

Case Closed | The Weekly Standard

2) Hussein had no WMD

Wrong.

Obviously, Hussein had WMD, he used them.

According to Iraq's 2nd in command of the airforce and Israel's chief of intelligence they were moved to Syria.

Iraq's WMD Secreted in Syria, Sada Says - January 26, 2006 - The New York Sun

http://www.nysun.com/foreign/saddams...li-says/24480/

3) Pres. Bush lied about WMD and therefore is guilty of war crimes.

Wrong.

Pres. Bush just got into office when 911 occurred. The whole democrat leadership spoke of Hussein's WMD and his biological and nuclear program. This includes Bill Cinton, Hillary, Gore, Barney Frank, John Kerry, among others. If Pres. Bush lied your entire democrat leadership lied too.

What Democrats said about Weapons of Mass Destruction

4) Pres. Bush were torturing terrorist left and right.

Wrong.

Waterboarding was done only to 3 arch Al Qaida terrorists

5) Wateboarding was not only evil it also didn't didn't get any information out of the terrorists

Wrong.

According to a CIA declassifed memo by Obama, the three terrorists didn't cooperate before being waterboarded. When asked about terrroist attacks, they simply responded ominously "soon you will know."

Because of the wateboarding a terrorist attack of a plane crashing into a Los Angeles building was thwarted.

JEFFREY: Waterboarding saved L.A. - Washington Times

6) Global warming is a fact that is undisputed

Wrong.

According to the founder of the weather channel, global is a hoax that is centered around getting money

FOXNews.com - Weather Channel Founder Blasts Gore Over Global Warming Campaign

7) Small business is not taxed enough, and they are rich anyway, they can afford it

Wrong.

Small businesses are made up of people, believe it or not. Those that had the balls to take a risk and go on their own. They are the ones who provide the jobs.

When the government confiscates more of their money, that is less money they have to operate, which could mean laying off people or closing

8) We are better off when the wealthy pay more taxes

Wrong.

The only time you are better off is if you benefit. Unless you directly benefit from someone else being punished there is nothing good that comes from other people being "punished".

Raising taxes does not create jobs, it hurts jobs.

9) Republicans stopped Obama's agenda. They are obstructionists

Wrong.

The democrats had supermajorities. They could have passed anything they wanted without one republican vote.

10) We are not in a war with Al Qaida

Wrong.

Yes we are.

I suppose you think the world is flat and 9/11 was an inside job.

I can always rely on liberals to make up their own facts and live in their own reality.

 

[CMike]

Dick Cheney would have been considered brilliant if:
There would have been weapons of mass destruction found in Iraq.

If the Americans would have been greeted as liberators by the Iraquis after throwing over Saddam.

If an exemplerary Democracy would have been able to be set up in Iraq.

If that Iraq democracy would have had a domino effect resulting in democracies through out the middle east.

If the over throw of Saddam would not have strengthened Iran in the middle east.

If torture had actually provided better intelligence than the proven tactic previously used by our intelligence community.

I could go on but I do not want to kick a dead horse.

History has shown Dick Cheney to be absolutely wrong on the vast majority of assumptions he based his policies on. His incompetence has harmed the US and the entire world.

He will go down as the most powerful vice president and the worst vice president in history.

Very few human beings have had such a negative effect on the world. History will not be kind to Dick Cheney.

Your premises are wrong

• There were WMD in Iraq
  
• America was greated by liberators, not by Al Qaida though.
  
• At least one major state sponsor of terrorism is no longer sponsoring terrorism. Also, having 100,000 american troops right near Syria, and Iran, gives them a clear message too.
  
• Waterboarding was used on only 3 arch terrorists. Because of it two major terrorists attacks within America were foiled, and thousands of american lives were saved.
  
• Cheney was spot on

Your premises are completely wrong

Hey.....Chump Mike........

There were ZERO WMD's in Iran. It was a war for oil and profit for Cheney and Bush Jr. All they ever found were some aluminum tubing, not WMD's.

That's because the war was in Iraq, dummy.

Based on Hussein's 2nd in command in the air force and the chief of Israeli counterintelligence they were moved to Syria.

There was also sarin and mustard gas found in Iraq.

America wasn't greeted as liberators. Why?

Your premise is wrong. Who do you think knocked down that big statue of Hussein? Democraps?

We weren't wanted there as AQ had already been there and scared the population. We didn't start to get friendly with the people until after we'd been there for a while and the TROOPS ON THE GROUND, not the idiots running the war are the ones that started to turn it around by going out and actually interacting and staying with the local people rather than leave the base at day and return at night.

Who is the major state sponsor of terrorism that dropped out?

Could you please write in english? Hussein who was a major sponsor of terrorism is no longer there.

The attacks that waterboarding prevented was a total fabrication. The dates don't match up.

You guys are so silly. I can show you a Obama declassified memo of the DOJ to the CIA, and you just don't care because it totally destroys your silly arguments.

Here it is...again.

http://luxmedia.vo.llnwd.net/o10/clients/aclu/olc_05302005_bradbury.pdf

Cheney was spot on? Really? About what? The old dumb fucker has been wrong about every decision he's made with the exception of the greedy ones that benefited only himself.

By the way Chump Mike, did you ever serve?

Pres. Bush was the greatest president in my lifetime. He did something no other president ever did. He took the fight to the terrorists. Instead of answering terrorist attacks within America with impotence such as shooting missiles at empty tents, he eliminated two major state sponsors of terrorism, and made the battlefield where the terrorists have been hiding and not within America.

It's a shame that liberals are just too stupid and ignorant to realize it.

 

[Charles Stucker]

You all do realize that they have quite successfully deflected the entire purpose of this thread, right?

Right we moved away from
Blame Boooooooooooooosh
the purpose of this thread in all but name

 

[CMike]

The World - Germs, Atoms and Poison Gas - The Iraqi Shell Game - NYTimes.com


The authors, Gary Milhollin and Kelly Nugent, based their work principally on reports from the United Nations Special Commission and the International Atomic Energy Agency, and statements by Richard Butler, the commission's chief inspector. POISON GAS

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- At least 3.9 tons of VX nerve gas. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits producing this amount in 1988 and 1990. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- The gas was low quality and the effort to make it failed.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- VX nerve gas put into warheads. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- U.S. and French tests found traces of nerve gas on warhead remnants. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- The evidence was planted.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- About 600 tons of ingredients for VX gas. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Out of 805 tons on hand, only 191 could be verified as destroyed. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- Everything was destroyed or consumed in production.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Up to 3,000 tons of other poison gas agents. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits producing agents in the 1980's. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- They were used, thrown away or destroyed by U.S. bombs during the 1991 gulf war.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Several hundred additional tons of poison gas agents that Iraq may have produced. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq had enough ingredients to make more poison gas than it admits producing. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- All poison gas production has been declared.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- 4,000 tons of ingredients to make poison gas. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits importing or producing them. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- No records of what happened to them are available.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- 500 bombs with parachutes to deliver gas or germ payloads. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits producing them. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- They were secretly destroyed.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- About 550 artillery shells filled with mustard gas. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits they existed. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- They were lost shortly after the gulf war.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- 107,500 casings for chemical arms HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits producing or importing them. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- No records are available.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- 31,658 filled and empty chemical munitions. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits producing or importing them. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- They were thrown away, destroyed secretly or destroyed by U.S. bombs.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- An Iraqi Air Force document showing how much poison gas was used against Iran, and thus how much Iraq has left. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- A U.N. inspector held the document briefly in her hands before Iraq confiscated it. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- Inspectors might be able to see it, but only in the presence of the Secretary General's personal envoy.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- The results of a project to make binary artillery shells for sarin nerve gas. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits it ran such a project and made experimental shells. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- There are no records or physical traces of the program.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Production procedures for making poison gas. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Such proceedures are needed for large-scale production. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- No documents containing these procedures can be found.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Documents showing the overall size of the chemical weapons program. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Inspectors determined that specific documents are still missing. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- No such documents can be found.

GERM WARFARE AGENTS UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- At least 157 aerial bombs filled with germ agents. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits filling this many. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- They were secretly destroyed. UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- At least 25 missile warheads containing germ agents (anthrax, aflotoxin and botulinum). HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits producing them. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- They were secretly destroyed.


UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Excess germ warfare agent. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits producing more of the agent than was used to fill munitions. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- The excess was secretly destroyed.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Spraying equipment to deliver germ agents by helicopter. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits it tested such equipment. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- Iraq refuses to explain what happened to it.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- The results of a project to deliver germ agents by drop tanks. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits the project existed, but inspectors cannot verify Iraq's account. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- Everything has been accounted for.


UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Growth media to produce three or four times the amount of anthrax Iraq admits producing. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- U.N. inspectors discovered that this much was imported. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- Either the material was not imported or it went to a civilian lab.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Equipment to produce germ agents. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq provided an incomplete inventory. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- Everything has been accounted for.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Program to dry germ agents so they are easier to store and use. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Inspectors saw a document revealing the program's existence. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- No such program existed.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Log book showing purchases for the germ warfare program. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Inspectors saw the log book in 1995. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- The book cannot be found.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- List of imported ingredients for germ agents. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits the document exists. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- The document cannot be found.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- List of ingredients for germ agents stored at Iraq's main germ facility. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits the document exists. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- The document cannot be found.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- The total amount of germ agents Iraq produced (anthrax, botulinum, gas gangrene, aflatoxin). HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Production capacity far exceeds the amount Iraq admits producing. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- Iraq did not use full capacity.

NUCLEAR WEAPONS UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Components for three to four implosion-type nuclear weapons, lacking only uranium fuel. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Intelligence gathered by the former U.N. inspector Scott Ritter. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- Such weapons do not exist.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Drawings showing the latest stage of Iraq's nuclear weapon design. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Inspectors determined the drawings must exist. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- Cannot explain why the drawings are missing.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Design drawings of individual nuclear weapon components, including the precise dimensions of explosive lenses. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Other drawings show that these drawings. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- Iraq no longer has these drawings exist.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Drawings of how to mate a nuclear warhead to a missile. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Other drawings show that these drawings exist. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- Iraq no longer has these drawings.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Documents detailing cooperation among various Iraqi nuclear weapon and missile groups. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- The cooperation must have generated a paper trail. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- No response.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Documents revealing how far Iraq got in developing centrifuges to process uranium to weapons grade. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq tested one or two prototypes. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- The documents were secretly destroyed.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- 170 technical reports explaining how to produce and operate these centrifuges. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits a German supplier provided them, and a few were found. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- The documents were secretly destroyed.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Materials and equipment belonging to Iraq's most advanced nuclear weapon design team. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Inspectors have determined that important items are still missing. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- Iraq has provided everything it can find.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Materials and equipment belonging to the group trying to process uranium to nuclear weapons grade. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Inspectors have determined that important items are still missing WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- Iraq has provided everything it can find.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- The name and whereabouts of a foreign national who offered to help Iraq's nuclear program. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Inspectors were informed that the offer was made. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- Inspectors should consult an Iraqi expatriate who might provide a lead. (They did; it was a dead end.)

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Documents proving Iraq's claim that it abandoned its secret nuclar-bomb program. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Inspectors determined that such a step must have been recorded. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- No records can be found. BALLISTIC MISSILES U

NACCOUNTED FOR -- Seven, locally-produced ballistic missiles. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits it had them. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- They were secretly destroyed in 1991. UNACCOUNTED FOR -- Two operational missiles that Iraq imported. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits it had them. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- They were secretly destroyed in 1991.

UNACCOUNTED FOR -- Components for missile guidance that Iraq imported. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq supplied an inventory but it was incomplete. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- They were secretly destroyed.

UNACCOUNTED FOR -- Up to 150 tons of material for missile production. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits it had it; destruction could not be verified. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- It was secretly melted or dumped into rivers and canals.

UNACCOUNTED FOR -- Liquid fuel for long-range missiles. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits it had them. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- It was secretly destroyed and will not be discussed further.

UNACCOUNTED FOR -- Up to 50 Scud-type missile warheads, presumably for high exposives. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits it had them. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- They were secretly destroyed.

UNACCOUNTED FOR -- Drawings showing how to together a Scud missile. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq needed such drawings to produce these missiles. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- All available drawings were provided.

 

[CMike]

Which liberal lie are we dealing with first? WMD?

 

[Charles Stucker]

Which liberal lie are we dealing with first? WMD?

But that gets away from the entire point of this thread, namely
Blame Boooooooooooosh

 

[George Costanza]

The World - Germs, Atoms and Poison Gas - The Iraqi Shell Game - NYTimes.com


The authors, Gary Milhollin and Kelly Nugent, based their work principally on reports from the United Nations Special Commission and the International Atomic Energy Agency, and statements by Richard Butler, the commission's chief inspector. POISON GAS

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- At least 3.9 tons of VX nerve gas. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits producing this amount in 1988 and 1990. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- The gas was low quality and the effort to make it failed.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- VX nerve gas put into warheads. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- U.S. and French tests found traces of nerve gas on warhead remnants. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- The evidence was planted.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- About 600 tons of ingredients for VX gas. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Out of 805 tons on hand, only 191 could be verified as destroyed. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- Everything was destroyed or consumed in production.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Up to 3,000 tons of other poison gas agents. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits producing agents in the 1980's. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- They were used, thrown away or destroyed by U.S. bombs during the 1991 gulf war.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Several hundred additional tons of poison gas agents that Iraq may have produced. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq had enough ingredients to make more poison gas than it admits producing. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- All poison gas production has been declared.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- 4,000 tons of ingredients to make poison gas. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits importing or producing them. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- No records of what happened to them are available.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- 500 bombs with parachutes to deliver gas or germ payloads. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits producing them. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- They were secretly destroyed.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- About 550 artillery shells filled with mustard gas. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits they existed. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- They were lost shortly after the gulf war.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- 107,500 casings for chemical arms HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits producing or importing them. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- No records are available.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- 31,658 filled and empty chemical munitions. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits producing or importing them. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- They were thrown away, destroyed secretly or destroyed by U.S. bombs.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- An Iraqi Air Force document showing how much poison gas was used against Iran, and thus how much Iraq has left. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- A U.N. inspector held the document briefly in her hands before Iraq confiscated it. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- Inspectors might be able to see it, but only in the presence of the Secretary General's personal envoy.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- The results of a project to make binary artillery shells for sarin nerve gas. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits it ran such a project and made experimental shells. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- There are no records or physical traces of the program.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Production procedures for making poison gas. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Such proceedures are needed for large-scale production. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- No documents containing these procedures can be found.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Documents showing the overall size of the chemical weapons program. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Inspectors determined that specific documents are still missing. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- No such documents can be found.

GERM WARFARE AGENTS UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- At least 157 aerial bombs filled with germ agents. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits filling this many. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- They were secretly destroyed. UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- At least 25 missile warheads containing germ agents (anthrax, aflotoxin and botulinum). HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits producing them. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- They were secretly destroyed.


UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Excess germ warfare agent. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits producing more of the agent than was used to fill munitions. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- The excess was secretly destroyed.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Spraying equipment to deliver germ agents by helicopter. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits it tested such equipment. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- Iraq refuses to explain what happened to it.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- The results of a project to deliver germ agents by drop tanks. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits the project existed, but inspectors cannot verify Iraq's account. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- Everything has been accounted for.


UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Growth media to produce three or four times the amount of anthrax Iraq admits producing. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- U.N. inspectors discovered that this much was imported. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- Either the material was not imported or it went to a civilian lab.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Equipment to produce germ agents. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq provided an incomplete inventory. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- Everything has been accounted for.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Program to dry germ agents so they are easier to store and use. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Inspectors saw a document revealing the program's existence. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- No such program existed.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Log book showing purchases for the germ warfare program. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Inspectors saw the log book in 1995. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- The book cannot be found.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- List of imported ingredients for germ agents. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits the document exists. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- The document cannot be found.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- List of ingredients for germ agents stored at Iraq's main germ facility. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits the document exists. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- The document cannot be found.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- The total amount of germ agents Iraq produced (anthrax, botulinum, gas gangrene, aflatoxin). HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Production capacity far exceeds the amount Iraq admits producing. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- Iraq did not use full capacity.

NUCLEAR WEAPONS UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Components for three to four implosion-type nuclear weapons, lacking only uranium fuel. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Intelligence gathered by the former U.N. inspector Scott Ritter. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- Such weapons do not exist.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Drawings showing the latest stage of Iraq's nuclear weapon design. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Inspectors determined the drawings must exist. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- Cannot explain why the drawings are missing.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Design drawings of individual nuclear weapon components, including the precise dimensions of explosive lenses. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Other drawings show that these drawings. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- Iraq no longer has these drawings exist.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Drawings of how to mate a nuclear warhead to a missile. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Other drawings show that these drawings exist. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- Iraq no longer has these drawings.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Documents detailing cooperation among various Iraqi nuclear weapon and missile groups. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- The cooperation must have generated a paper trail. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- No response.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Documents revealing how far Iraq got in developing centrifuges to process uranium to weapons grade. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq tested one or two prototypes. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- The documents were secretly destroyed.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- 170 technical reports explaining how to produce and operate these centrifuges. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits a German supplier provided them, and a few were found. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- The documents were secretly destroyed.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Materials and equipment belonging to Iraq's most advanced nuclear weapon design team. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Inspectors have determined that important items are still missing. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- Iraq has provided everything it can find.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Materials and equipment belonging to the group trying to process uranium to nuclear weapons grade. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Inspectors have determined that important items are still missing WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- Iraq has provided everything it can find.

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- The name and whereabouts of a foreign national who offered to help Iraq's nuclear program. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Inspectors were informed that the offer was made. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- Inspectors should consult an Iraqi expatriate who might provide a lead. (They did; it was a dead end.)

UNACCOUNTED FOR IN IRAQ -- Documents proving Iraq's claim that it abandoned its secret nuclar-bomb program. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Inspectors determined that such a step must have been recorded. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- No records can be found. BALLISTIC MISSILES U

NACCOUNTED FOR -- Seven, locally-produced ballistic missiles. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits it had them. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- They were secretly destroyed in 1991. UNACCOUNTED FOR -- Two operational missiles that Iraq imported. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits it had them. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- They were secretly destroyed in 1991.

UNACCOUNTED FOR -- Components for missile guidance that Iraq imported. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq supplied an inventory but it was incomplete. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- They were secretly destroyed.

UNACCOUNTED FOR -- Up to 150 tons of material for missile production. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits it had it; destruction could not be verified. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- It was secretly melted or dumped into rivers and canals.

UNACCOUNTED FOR -- Liquid fuel for long-range missiles. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits it had them. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- It was secretly destroyed and will not be discussed further.

UNACCOUNTED FOR -- Up to 50 Scud-type missile warheads, presumably for high exposives. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq admits it had them. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- They were secretly destroyed.

UNACCOUNTED FOR -- Drawings showing how to together a Scud missile. HOW INSPECTORS KNOW -- Iraq needed such drawings to produce these missiles. WHAT IRAQ SAYS -- All available drawings were provided.

I'm sorry - I missed that. Could you repeat it please?

 

[Nosmo King]

FDR, Winston Churchill .....

Amazing, how so few read history. Any knowledge at of all of the period has to make both men among the smartest politicians of all time.



"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." Winston Churchill

"Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but usually manages to pick himself up, walk over or around it, and carry on." Winston S. Churchill

"A fanatic will not change his mind, or the conversation."- Sir Winston Curchill

 

[elvis]

not sure where your hatred for churchill and FDR are coming from.

Churchill was responsible in large part for British bumbling at the end of WWI - if he had handled his part of the diplomacy better WWII might have been averted. During WWII Churchill did OK, but he should have pushed the Germans more in '42 - Yugoslavia caused more havoc for the German command than Britain because they coordinated their attacks to relieve pressure around Stalingrad.

FDR - hello, the father of American socialism. His inept handling of the Depression made it longer and worse than any other. Saddled taxpayers with social security. What more need be said against him.

And both of my grandfathers and my father and mother, who lived through the First Great Republican Depression, thought that FDR did very well.

Your revision of history simply won't fly. Been done too many times by other ideological wingnuts.

that's funny, numbnuts. you call it the republican depression and yet you want to fix this current situation the same way Hoover tried to.

 

[Soggy in NOLA]

Wow.. I stumbled in to the "guys who obsess over Dick Cheney" forum, wonderful.

Is it the "Dick" part that gets you sissies going?

 

[elvis]

Wow.. I stumbled in to the "guys who obsess over Dick Cheney" forum, wonderful.

Is it the "Dick" part that gets you sissies going?

and since they obsess about Bush the other half the time, that would make them....bisexual?