Delegitimising Israel: Nobody does it better than the Israelis themselves

[fanger]

While America stifles free speech, Ireland opens up the debate on Israel’s legitimacy and exceptionalism

The laugh is that Israel does a splendid job of delegitimising itself without any outside help. In the wake of the 1947 United Nations Partition Plan, which granted the Jews territory within defined borders, they declared statehood in 1948 without borders, grabbing as much extra land as they could by armed terror and ethnic cleansing. The new state of Israel’s admission to the UN in 1949 was conditional upon honouring the UN Charter and implementing UN General Assembly Resolutions 181 and 194. It failed to do so and to this day repeatedly violates provisions and principles of the charter.

Israel even fails to comply with the provisions of the European Union-Israel Association Agreement of 1995 which requires adherence to the principles of the UN Charter and states that “respect for human rights and democratic principle constitute an essential element of this agreement”, in return for trading privileges. It gets the privileges without delivering on the obligations.

In 2004 the International Court of Justice (ICJ) at The Hague ruled that construction of what’s often referred to as the Apartheid Wall breaches international law and Israel must dismantle it and make reparation. Israel nevertheless continues building its hideous wall with American tax dollars. The ICJ also ruled that

all states are under an obligation not to recognise the illegal situation resulting from the construction of the wall and not to render aid or assistance in maintaining the situation created by such construction.
Delegitimising Israel: Nobody does it better than the Israelis themselves

Israel and it's little helper's

 

[fanger]

 

[SassyIrishLass]

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

While America stifles free speech, Ireland opens up the debate on Israel’s legitimacy and exceptionalism

The laugh is that Israel does a splendid job of delegitimising itself without any outside help. In the wake of the 1947 United Nations Partition Plan, which granted the Jews territory within defined borders, they declared statehood in 1948 without borders, grabbing as much extra land as they could by armed terror and ethnic cleansing. The new state of Israel’s admission to the UN in 1949 was conditional upon honouring the UN Charter and implementing UN General Assembly Resolutions 181 and 194. It failed to do so and to this day repeatedly violates provisions and principles of the charter.

Israel even fails to comply with the provisions of the European Union-Israel Association Agreement of 1995 which requires adherence to the principles of the UN Charter and states that “respect for human rights and democratic principle constitute an essential element of this agreement”, in return for trading privileges. It gets the privileges without delivering on the obligations.

In 2004 the International Court of Justice (ICJ) at The Hague ruled that construction of what’s often referred to as the Apartheid Wall breaches international law and Israel must dismantle it and make reparation. Israel nevertheless continues building its hideous wall with American tax dollars. The ICJ also ruled that

all states are under an obligation not to recognise the illegal situation resulting from the construction of the wall and not to render aid or assistance in maintaining the situation created by such construction.
Delegitimising Israel: Nobody does it better than the Israelis themselves

Israel and it's little helper's

Still mad because that Jewish guy fucked you and never called you again?

 

[esthermoon]

I can't see the video

 

[fanger]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=1k9IlR3-_-A
esthermoon

 

[esthermoon]

Thank you fanger
Very kind

 

[xyz]

I can't see the video

You should also be able to click the "YouTube" logo at the lower right of the imbedded video, it'll open the video in a new tab.

 

[Ringel05]

Thank you fanger
Very kind

The video is from a TV series and fanger is a low class nutjob. Base your conclusions on those facts.

 

[turzovka]

While America stifles free speech, Ireland opens up the debate on Israel’s legitimacy and exceptionalism

The laugh is that Israel does a splendid job of delegitimising itself without any outside help. In the wake of the 1947 United Nations Partition Plan, which granted the Jews territory within defined borders, they declared statehood in 1948 without borders, grabbing as much extra land as they could by armed terror and ethnic cleansing. The new state of Israel’s admission to the UN in 1949 was conditional upon honouring the UN Charter and implementing UN General Assembly Resolutions 181 and 194. It failed to do so and to this day repeatedly violates provisions and principles of the charter.

Israel even fails to comply with the provisions of the European Union-Israel Association Agreement of 1995 which requires adherence to the principles of the UN Charter and states that “respect for human rights and democratic principle constitute an essential element of this agreement”, in return for trading privileges. It gets the privileges without delivering on the obligations.

In 2004 the International Court of Justice (ICJ) at The Hague ruled that construction of what’s often referred to as the Apartheid Wall breaches international law and Israel must dismantle it and make reparation. Israel nevertheless continues building its hideous wall with American tax dollars. The ICJ also ruled that

all states are under an obligation not to recognise the illegal situation resulting from the construction of the wall and not to render aid or assistance in maintaining the situation created by such construction.
Delegitimising Israel: Nobody does it better than the Israelis themselves

Israel and it's little helper's

You and they are so eager to believe what you want to believe. Of course it's the usual B.S.

Map of the U.N. Partition Plan | Jewish Virtual Library

(September 1947)

The Peel Commission in 1937 concluded the only logical solution to resolving the contradictory aspirations of the Jews and Arabs was partition of Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states. The Arabs rejected the plan because it would have forced them to accept the creation of a Jewish state and required some Palestinians to live under "Jewish domination." The Zionists opposed the Peel Plan's boundaries because they would have been confined to little more than a ghetto of 5,000 out of the 26,700 square kilometers remaining in Palestine. Nevertheless, the Zionists decided to negotiate with the British, while the Arabs refused to consider any compromises.

Again, in 1939, the British White Paper called for the establishment of an Arab state in Palestine within 10 years, and for limiting Jewish immigration to no more than 75,000 over the following five years. Afterward, no one would be allowed in without the consent of the Arab population. Though the Arabs had been granted a concession on Jewish immigration, and been offered independence — the goal of Arab nationalists — they repudiated the White Paper.

As World War II ended, the magnitude of the Holocaust became known. This accelerated demands for a resolution to the question of Palestine so the survivors of Hitler's "Final Solution" might find sanctuary in a homeland of their own.

The UN Steps In

The British tried to work out an agreement acceptable to both Arabs and Jews, but their insistence on the former's approval guaranteed failure. They subsequently turned the issue over to the UN in February 1947.

The UN established a Special Commission on Palestine (UNSCOP) to devise a solution. Delegates from 11 nations* went there and found what had long been apparent: The conflicting national aspirations of Jews and Arabs could not be reconciled.

Although most of the Commission's members acknowledged the need to find a compromise solution, it was difficult for them to envision one given the parties' intractability. At a meeting with a group of Arabs in Beirut, the Czechoslovakian member of the Commission told his audience: "I have listened to your demands and it seems to me that in your view the compromise is: We want our demands met completely, the rest can be divided among those left."

When they returned, the delegates of seven nations — Canada, Czechoslovakia, Guatemala, The Netherlands, Peru, Sweden and Uruguay — recommended the establishment of two separate states, Jewish and Arab, to be joined by economic union, with Jerusalem an internationalized enclave. Three nations — India, Iran and Yugoslavia — recommended a unitary state with Arab and Jewish provinces. Australia abstained.

The Jews of Palestine were not satisfied with the small territory allotted to them by the Commission, nor were they happy that Jerusalem was severed from the Jewish State; nevertheless, they welcomed the compromise. The Arabs rejected the UNSCOP's recommendations.

As the partition vote approached, it became clear little hope existed for a political solution to a problem that transcended politics: the Arabs' unwillingness to accept a Jewish state in Palestine and the refusal of the Zionists to settle for anything less. The implacability of the Arabs was evident when Jewish Agency representatives David Horowitz and Abba Eban made a last-ditch effort to reach a compromise in a meeting with Arab League Secretary Azzam Pasha on September 16, 1947. Pasha told them bluntly:

The Arab world is not in a compromising mood. It's likely, Mr. Horowitz, that your plan is rational and logical, but the fate of nations is not decided by rational logic. Nations never concede; they fight. You won't get anything by peaceful means or compromise. You can, perhaps, get something, but only by the force of your arms. We shall try to defeat you. I am not sure we'll succeed, but we'll try. We were able to drive out the Crusaders, but on the other hand we lost Spain and Persia. It may be that we shall lose Palestine. But it's too late to talk of peaceful solutions.

The ad hoc committee of the UN General Assembly rejected the Arab demand for a unitary Arab state. The majority recommendation for partition was subsequently adopted 33-13 with 10 abstentions on November 29, 1947 (click here for breakdown of vote).

The Map is Drawn

The partition plan took on a checkerboard appearance. This was largely because Jewish towns and villages were spread throughout Palestine. This did not complicate the plan as much as the fact that the high living standards in Jewish cities and towns had attracted large Arab populations. This demographic factor insured that any partition would result in a Jewish state that included a substantial Arab population. Recognizing the need to allow for additional Jewish settlement, the majority proposal allotted the Jews land in the northern part of the country, Galilee, and the large, arid Negev desert in the south. The remainder was to form the Arab state.

These boundaries were based solely on demographics. The borders of the Jewish State were arranged with no consideration of security; hence, the new state's frontiers were virtually indefensible. Overall, the Jewish State was to be comprised of roughly 5,500 square miles and the population was to be 538,000 Jews and 397,000 Arabs. The Arab State was to be 4,500 square miles with a population of 804,000 Arabs and 10,000 Jews. Though the Jews were allotted more total land, the majority of that land was in the desert.

Further complicating the situation was the UN majority's insistence that Jerusalem remain apart from both states and be administered as an international zone. This arrangement left more than 100,000 Jews in Jerusalem isolated from their country and circumscribed by the Arab state.

Critics claim the UN gave the Jews fertile land while the Arabs were allotted hilly, arid land. This is untrue. Approximately 60 percent of the Jewish state was to be the arid desert in the Negev.

The Arabs constituted a majority of the population in Palestine as a whole-1.2 million Arabs versus 600,000 Jews. The Jews never had a chance of reaching a majority in the country given the restrictive immigration policy of the British. By contrast, the Arabs were free to come-and thousands did-to take advantage of the rapid development stimulated by Zionist settlement. Still, the Jews were a majority in the area allotted to them by the resolution and in Jerusalem.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The part left out is that the Security Council never implemented the plan.

 

[Phoenall]

While America stifles free speech, Ireland opens up the debate on Israel’s legitimacy and exceptionalism

The laugh is that Israel does a splendid job of delegitimising itself without any outside help. In the wake of the 1947 United Nations Partition Plan, which granted the Jews territory within defined borders, they declared statehood in 1948 without borders, grabbing as much extra land as they could by armed terror and ethnic cleansing. The new state of Israel’s admission to the UN in 1949 was conditional upon honouring the UN Charter and implementing UN General Assembly Resolutions 181 and 194. It failed to do so and to this day repeatedly violates provisions and principles of the charter.

Israel even fails to comply with the provisions of the European Union-Israel Association Agreement of 1995 which requires adherence to the principles of the UN Charter and states that “respect for human rights and democratic principle constitute an essential element of this agreement”, in return for trading privileges. It gets the privileges without delivering on the obligations.

In 2004 the International Court of Justice (ICJ) at The Hague ruled that construction of what’s often referred to as the Apartheid Wall breaches international law and Israel must dismantle it and make reparation. Israel nevertheless continues building its hideous wall with American tax dollars. The ICJ also ruled that

all states are under an obligation not to recognise the illegal situation resulting from the construction of the wall and not to render aid or assistance in maintaining the situation created by such construction.
Delegitimising Israel: Nobody does it better than the Israelis themselves

Israel and it's little helper's

BULLSHIT


they were never offered defined borders as the arab muslims vetoed the plan, so the Jews went back to the international law of 1922 that did define borders and declared to those borders.

There is no mention of Israel having to implement UN General Assembly Resolutions 181 and 194, try reading the resolution again, here it is for you



Having received the report of the Security Council on the application of Israel for membership in the United Nations,[1]

Noting that, in the judgment of the Security Council, Israel is a peace-loving State and is able and willing to carry out the obligations contained in the Charter,

Noting that the Security Council has recommended to the general Assembly that it admit Israel to membership in the United Nations,

Noting furthermore the declaration by the State of Israel that it "unreservedly accepts the obligations of the United Nations Charter and undertakes to honour them from the day when it becomes a member of the United Nations",[2]

Recalling its resolutions of 29 November 1947[3] and 11 December 1948[4] and taking note of the declarations and explanations made by the representative of the Government of Israel[5] before the Ad Hoc Political Committee in respect of the implementation of the said resolutions,


The General Assembly,

Acting in discharge of its functions under Article 4 of the Charter and rule 125 of its rules of procedure,

1. Decides that Israel is a peace loving State which accepts the obligations contained in the Charter and is able and willing to carry out those obligations;

2. Decides to admit Israel to membership in the United Nations.






YOU LOSE AGAIN

 

[Phoenall]

The part left out is that the Security Council never implemented the plan.

Which is a LIE as you have been shown they did, just as you have been shown that the resolution did not need arab acceptance to proceed

 

[P F Tinmore]

The part left out is that the Security Council never implemented the plan.

Which is a LIE as you have been shown they did, just as you have been shown that the resolution did not need arab acceptance to proceed

That is neither here nor there. The non binding General Assembly resolution recommended that the Security Council partition Palestine.

The Security Council did not.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The part left out is that the Security Council never implemented the plan.

Which is a LIE as you have been shown they did, just as you have been shown that the resolution did not need arab acceptance to proceed

That is neither here nor there. The non binding General Assembly resolution recommended that the Security Council partition Palestine.

The Security Council did not.

Arab losers keep losing. It's what they do best.

 

[rhodescholar]

...

This [[Mod Edit - XXXX -- one of our few "banned" words"]] sig should read "arab nationalism is the lunatic idea that arab muslim filth can form countries on the lands of the civilizations they destroyed".

 

[montelatici]

The Jewish Virtual Library is not an objective source, for obvious reasons.

1. The UN admitted in the partition plan A/354, linked below, that the creation of a Jewish National Home ran counter to the Charter of the LON with respect to the principle of self-determination of the inhabitants of Palestine.

"176. With regard to the principle of self-determination, although international recognition was extended to this principle at the end of the First World War and it was adhered to with regard to the other Arab territories, at the time of the creation of the "A" Mandates, it was not applied to Palestine, obviously because of the intention to make possible the creation of the Jewish National Home there. Actually, it may well be said that the Jewish National Home and the sui generis Mandate for Palestine run counter to that principle."

​

2. There was little to no Arab immigration to Palestine.

General Assembly

A/364

3 September 1947

OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF

THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

SUPPLEMENT No. 11

UNITED NATIONS

SPECIAL COMMITTEE

ON PALESTINE

REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1

Lake Success

New York

Chapter 2.​

"(b)IMMIGRATION AND NATURAL INCREASE

15. These changes in the population have been brought about by two forces: natural

increase and immigration. The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main

to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into

Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year. The flow has not

been regular, however, being fairly high in 1924 to 1926, falling in the next few years

(there was a net emigration in 1927) and rising to even higher levels between 1933 and

1936 as a result of the Nazi persecution in Europe. Between the census year of 1931

and the year 1936, the proportion of Jews to the total population rose from 18 per cent to

nearly 30 per cent.

16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births

over deaths.

A/364 of 3 September 1947

3. The correct population breakdown from the same UN document linked above. In fact, with the bedouins, the Jewish state was virtually 50/50 Jews to Non-Jews.

So, the partition would have resulted in nearly 500 thousand non-Jews, equal in number to the Jews at the time of partition, to be ruled by Jews in perpetuity. And your Jewish Virtual Library complained of the 100,000 Jews that would have remained separated from fellow Jews in the International sector of Jerusalem. It did not occur to them that the 500 million non-Jews in the Jewish sector would be separated from their fellow non-Jews?

 

[Hollie]

The Jewish Virtual Library is not an objective source, for obvious reasons.

1. The UN admitted in the partition plan A/354, linked below, that the creation of a Jewish National Home ran counter to the Charter of the LON with respect to the principle of self-determination of the inhabitants of Palestine.

"176. With regard to the principle of self-determination, although international recognition was extended to this principle at the end of the First World War and it was adhered to with regard to the other Arab territories, at the time of the creation of the "A" Mandates, it was not applied to Palestine, obviously because of the intention to make possible the creation of the Jewish National Home there. Actually, it may well be said that the Jewish National Home and the sui generis Mandate for Palestine run counter to that principle."

​

2. There was little to no Arab immigration to Palestine.

General Assembly

A/364

3 September 1947

OFFICIAL RECORDS OF THE SECOND SESSION OF

THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

SUPPLEMENT No. 11

UNITED NATIONS

SPECIAL COMMITTEE

ON PALESTINE

REPORT TO THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY

VOLUME 1

Lake Success

New York

Chapter 2.​

"(b)IMMIGRATION AND NATURAL INCREASE

15. These changes in the population have been brought about by two forces: natural

increase and immigration. The great increase in the Jewish population is due in the main

to immigration. From 1920 to 1946, the total number of recorded Jewish immigrants into

Palestine was about 376,000, or an average of over 8,000 per year. The flow has not

been regular, however, being fairly high in 1924 to 1926, falling in the next few years

(there was a net emigration in 1927) and rising to even higher levels between 1933 and

1936 as a result of the Nazi persecution in Europe. Between the census year of 1931

and the year 1936, the proportion of Jews to the total population rose from 18 per cent to

nearly 30 per cent.

16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births

over deaths.

A/364 of 3 September 1947

3. The correct population breakdown from the same UN document linked above. In fact, with the bedouins, the Jewish state was virtually 50/50 Jews to Non-Jews.


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So, the partition would have resulted in nearly 500 thousand non-Jews, equal in number to the Jews at the time of partition, to be ruled by Jews in perpetuity. And your Jewish Virtual Library complained of the 100,000 Jews that would have remained separated from fellow Jews in the International sector of Jerusalem. It did not occur to them that the 500 million non-Jews in the Jewish sector would be separated from their fellow non-Jews?

It's a hoot that you selectively and dishonestly edit the articles you cat and paste. From your link:

16. The Arab population has increased almost entirely as a result of an excess of births over deaths. Indeed, the natural rate of increase of Moslem Arabs in Palestine is the highest in recorded statistics,1 a phenomenon explained by very high fertility rates coupled with a marked decline in death rates as a result of improved conditions of life and public health, The natural rate of increase of Jews is also relatively high, but is conditioned by a favorable age distribution of the population due to the high rate of immigration.

 

[Hollie]

The part left out is that the Security Council never implemented the plan.

Which is a LIE as you have been shown they did, just as you have been shown that the resolution did not need arab acceptance to proceed

That is neither here nor there. The non binding General Assembly resolution recommended that the Security Council partition Palestine.

The Security Council did not.

Your whining is really pointless. Establishment of the Jewish National Home was in concert the intent of the Mandate. A Security Council partition of Palestine was not necessarily required as the Jewish people exercised their right of self-determination, something the Arabs-Moslems did not and still can not achieve.

 

[montelatici]

176. With regard to the principle of self-determination, although international recognition was extended to this principle at the end of the First World War and it was adhered to with regard to the other Arab territories, at the time of the creation of the "A" Mandates, it was not applied to Palestine, obviously because of the intention to make possible the creation of the Jewish National Home there. Actually, it may well be said that the Jewish National Home and the sui generis Mandate for Palestine run counter to that principle