Debunking Liberal Myths About the Rich and the Capital Gains Tax

Both left and right wing ideologies end up resorting to mass murder as their 'solutions' to all economic and social problems; for the unwashed masses there is no practical difference between the two.
 
That's a baby-brained argument. Before the Industrial Revolution capitalism never happened. I agree, there has never been a country with a communist economy for the simple reason that communism as defined by Marx and Engels, is a stateless society, without socioeconomic classes or the need for money. The USSR had a state, a currency and one might argue that there were indeed classes, although not exactly how they exist under capitalism. Wikipedia, which is a source everyone has access to, defines communism as:

"A communist society would entail the absence of private property and social classes,[1] and ultimately money[6] and the state (or nation state).[7][8][9]"


No state, no classes, no need for money.


The only way for communism to exist and flourish is when the technology is available to provide consumers with what they need and want. The advanced automation, artificial intelligence, the computing power, has to be available, for there to be a marketless, non-profit, centrally planned, more democratic, system of mass production. Without the technology, it's simply unfeasible. Why do I and other socialists, call ourselves communists as well? It's because communism is the objective. We identify with the goal of socialism, which is communism.

The USSR was the:


UNION OF SOVIET SOCIALIST REPUBLICS.

Do you see the word "Communist" there anywhere? Nope.

Your claim that communism will never exist is stupid. Communism is inevitable, it will happen, within the next 60 years. Socialism will come before communism, and that's just a decade or two away.

You're ignorant about what is happening in the technological sphere, with respect to automation and artificial intelligence. Without human wage-labor there's no capitalism. Markets collapse without a human workforce, earning a wage. Do I have to explain why to you? I'll let you figure it out. Think. Go ahead, impress me. Tell me why, without human wage-labor there's no market. It's simple, think.

All your heroes are going to do is end up just killing off all the 'useless humans', same as right wingers will if they get on top. All wingnuts are poxes on humanity.
 
All your heroes are going to do is end up just killing off all the 'useless humans', same as right wingers will if they get on top. All wingnuts are poxes on humanity.
Eliminate wages with robots= No paying consumers = No Market = No Capitalism = Democratic Socialism/Communism
 
And again you refuse to acknowledge you don't have squat to refute anything I said. You just babble some more stuff and change the topic, along with a new slate of strawmen. That's because you know you're full of shit like the rest of your peers, and would starve to death if there ever was a real 'free market system'. Your slogan is 'socialize the costs and privatize the profits'. A 'privately owned' monopoly is exactly the same as a state owned one, they're distinctions without a difference. Your only point is 'people suck, so let's just let them run amuck with zero regulations and laws', then try to validate that with some rubbish or other that 'commies are worse n stuff'; they're not they're exactly like you, they just babble different rhetoric.

You and your peers calling anybody else 'communists' is just hilarious projection.
Okay, I'll focus it. Do you ever argue above a 5-year-old level?
 
A fair amount, in my opinion.

You want shareholders to have a fair amount of liability for corporate actions?
Yes, they should have some distributed accountability.
Limited liability relieves investors of the responsibility to invest prudently.

Investors who don't invest prudently can lose 100% of their investment.
Not when you throw in bankruptcy laws and other investor protections.
If a sole proprietor of a business hires a manager for that business, and says "Do whatever you have to turn a profit. I don't wanna hear about the details, just do it." And then that manager does heinous things, illegal things, to make it happen - you can bet the proprietor will be held accountable to some extent.

Well, yeah, the proprietor could lose their house and all their assets.
Yep. And if the company was own by several partners, they'd all be on the line to some extent.
Why should it be any different when there are multiple owners?

Presumably, the sole proprietor can keep a better eye on the operations than
a grandmother who owns 100 shares of Exxon Mobil
Yes. The level of responsibility is decidedly different. But there should be a real downside to investing in companies that break the law. Just as there would be if you funded any other criminal enterprise.
 
DEfeated , hell it has never happened , there has never been a communist country ever. and there never will be. The only way you can make it so is if you get to define what communism is yourself. Problem is it already has a definition and that definition karl Marx and that definition says your definition is brain dead stupid. This is probably the ultimate MAGA stupidity test, since they see communist around every corner. Funny when there has never been a communist state and their never will be.
someone should have told Joe McCarthy!!!!

 
Eliminate wages with robots= No paying consumers = No Market = No Capitalism = Democratic Socialism/Communism
There is no such thing as democratic socialism/communism. Marxism is always about slavery and tyranny

No one will use robots for free with no profit therefore always a market and always capitalism
 
Yes, they should have some distributed accountability.

Not when you throw in bankruptcy laws and other investor protections.

Yep. And if the company was own by several partners, they'd all be on the line to some extent.

Yes. The level of responsibility is decidedly different. But there should be a real downside to investing in companies that break the law. Just as there would be if you funded any other criminal enterprise.

Yes, they should have some distributed accountability.

Why should grandma be accountable for Exxon behavior? What does that accomplish?

Not when you throw in bankruptcy laws and other investor protections.

Bankruptcy mostly protects creditors.

Yep. And if the company was own by several partners, they'd all be on the line to some extent.


Yes. Now why is that a good idea for much larger corporations and their shareholders?

But there should be a real downside to investing in companies that break the law.

There is. If Exxon spilled 100 million barrels on purpose, they'd pay billions and potentially go out of business. Those at fault would be jailed. The shareholders and bondholders potentially lose 100%. Sounds like a bunch of downside.

Just as there would be if you funded any other criminal enterprise.

Grandma didn't know she was doing that. What more do you want to do to her,
after her stock drops to $0?
 
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Yes, they should have some distributed accountability.

Why should grandma be accountable for Exxon behavior?
Because she's profiting from their actions.
What does that accomplish?
Encourages people to vet the companies they invest in.
Yep. And if the company was own by several partners, they'd all be on the line to some extent.

Yes. Now why is that a good idea for much larger corporations and their shareholders?
For reasons stated above.
Just as there would be if you funded any other criminal enterprise.

Grandma didn't know she was doing that. What more do you want to do to her,
after her stock drops to $0?
In some cases, yeah. It's no different than the liability that any business owner assumes. I don't know exactly how it could be implemented. And it would be extremely rare. It would take a court case proving that the investors were, or should have been, aware that the company was up to no good. But I see no reason for the blanket law protecting corporate investors. It's just there to stroke Wall Street and pump up investment activity artificially.
 
Because she's profiting from their actions.

Encourages people to vet the companies they invest in.

For reasons stated above.

In some cases, yeah. It's no different than the liability that any business owner assumes. I don't know exactly how it could be implemented. And it would be extremely rare. It would take a court case proving that the investors were, or should have been, aware that the company was up to no good. But I see no reason for the blanket law protecting corporate investors. It's just there to stroke Wall Street and pump up investment activity artificially.

Because she's profiting from their actions.

So?

Encourages people to vet the companies they invest in.

How does grandma "vet" Exxon?

I don't know exactly how it could be implemented.

No kidding. Something so expensive and harmful with no benefit would be difficult.

It would take a court case proving that the investors were, or should have been, aware that the company was up to no good.

And the 99% who weren't aware? What happens to them?

But I see no reason for the blanket law protecting corporate investors.

Obviously. You're not too bright.
 
Was already taxed when it was Gross Income.
That's what is considered "expenses and other costs" after overhead, etc. have been deducted.

What is needed is for parasitic leeches like yourself who exist living off of redistributed(stolen) wealth to get your lazy, slimy ass out working to create wealth/make money rather than live off of others'.
 
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