Damn, that is a lot of Ice out in the Arctic.

[skookerasbil]

Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

The orange lines are where the ice is normally at this time of year. And note that the ice is not only well below two standard deviations from normal, it is below the amount of ice that was present at this time In the record breaking year of 2012. Not only that, but the Antarctic Sea Ice is more that two standard deviations below the norm, also.

You are a fucking liar, prove your claim Old Crock, show us the orange lines from 2005, or 2004, or 2003. If you can not give us a chart for those years, then you have shown everyone on the boards that Old Crock is a fucking liar. Go ahead, lets see all the ice charts that proves the normal.

What Ive been saying for years in this forum............when a progressive posts something up, especially statistics, the first thing you always have to ask is, "As compared to what?"

Almost invariably, when you do, you find the progressive argument falls like a stone in water.


The classic example you see all the time in here is the whole extreme weather bullshit....presented as if extreme weather started a few years ago. But then I post up my historical chronology of extreme weather link ( dating back hundreds of years ) and the cheesedicks are decimated.

 

[Old Rocks]

The ice is not going away instantly. Icebreakers built today will be used for their full normal lifespan. There will also be competition for the resources opened up by the melting of the ice, both on the sea and on land. And, at least at present, Russia is adopting a very aggressive attitude about claiming those resources for Mother Russia. So we need the means of answering their dangerous policies.

 

[skookerasbil]

The ice is not going away instantly. Icebreakers built today will be used for their full normal lifespan. There will also be competition for the resources opened up by the melting of the ice, both on the sea and on land. And, at least at present, Russia is adopting a very aggressive attitude about claiming those resources for Mother Russia. So we need the means of answering their dangerous policies.

Oh.........ok...................


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"Normal lifespan"??

......all the AGW clowns said a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooong time ago that scenes like this above would be things of the past!!

How did that work out??...............

 

[Weatherman2020]

Thanks to Melting Ice, Cruise Ship Travels Northwest Passage

People preparing to take a polar plunge in the Bering Sea in front of the luxury cruise ship Crystal Serenity, which anchored just outside Nome, Alaska last month. Mark Thiessen/AP

By MARK THIESSEN, Associated Press

NOME, Alaska (AP) — The giant luxury cruise liner was anchored just off Nome, too hulking to use the Bering Sea community's docks on its inaugural visit.

Instead, its more than 900 passengers piled into small transport boats and motored to shore, where they snapped photos of wild musk oxen, lifted glasses in the town's colorful bars and nibbled blueberry pie while admiring Alaska Native dancers at Nome's summer celebration.


[PHOTOS: The Real Impact of Climate Change]


The Crystal Serenity's visit to Alaska's western coast is historic. At nearly three football fields long and 13 stories tall, the cruise ship is the largest ever to traverse the Northwest Passage, where its well-heeled guests glimpsed polar bears, kayaked along Canada's north shore, landed on pristine beaches and hiked where few have stepped

Thanks to Melting Ice, Cruise Ship Travels Northwest Passage

Looks like that little sailboat was upstaged by something a bit larger.

Nome is open to shipping every summer for decades, dufus.

 

[Old Rocks]

Well now, dumb fuck, no cruise ship of that size has ever gone through the Northwest Passage before.

 

[skookerasbil]

Well now, dumb fuck, no cruise ship of that size has ever gone through the Northwest Passage before.

Clearly proof of global warming.

BTW.....anybody think we have a chance of seeing Mamooth's emergency ark make a pass through there? Love to see a pic........

 

[Weatherman2020]

Well now, dumb fuck, no cruise ship of that size has ever gone through the Northwest Passage before.

Only because the cruise ship industry has grown, dufus. Tankers and cargo ships have been sailing those waters for decades.

Just another example of how you chicken littles twist the facts to support your cult of lies.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Well now, dumb fuck, no cruise ship of that size has ever gone through the Northwest Passage before.

Hilarious evidence of climate change on your link too. If you chicken littles had a third grade understanding of science you'd be embarrassed at what you call evidence.

 

[elektra]

Figure 3. Monthly September ice extent for 1979 to 2016 shows a decline of 13.3% per decade.

Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center
Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag
Record back to 1979, Ms. Elektra.

Like I said, Old Crock can not support his Graphic of the Ice, beyond 2006! Now Old Crock offers a graph and only to 1979? I guess when one must sell Global Warming one must lie, cherry pick, and be very selective of the years they use.

 

[Old Rocks]

Now Ms. Elektra, once again you reveal your massive ignorance. Satellite data only goes back to 1979, because that is when we put up our first arctic observing satellite.

 

[Old Rocks]

Well now, dumb fuck, no cruise ship of that size has ever gone through the Northwest Passage before.

Only because the cruise ship industry has grown, dufus. Tankers and cargo ships have been sailing those waters for decades.

Just another example of how you chicken littles twist the facts to support your cult of lies.

What a damned liar you are, Weatherman.

Cargo Ship Makes 1st-Ever Solo Trip Through Northwest Passage

The first cargo ship to sail through the Northwest Passage completed the route in September 2013, with an icebreaker escort from the Canadian Coast Guard. And in 2012, a Russian ship sailed from Norway eastward to Japan. Cruise ships and personal yachts have also successfully made the voyage, some unassisted.

 

[MaryL]

Don't think so, Glacier park Montana photos since the 30's on show the glaciers disappearing. It's documented. Fact. Denial wont change that, denial is just THAT.

 

[Old Rocks]

Actually, the photos go back to well before 1900. And when Glacier National Park was designated a National Park, there were 150 glaciers in the park. Today, there are only about 25, and some of those are little more than patches of snow.

 

[elektra]

Now Ms. Elektra, once again you reveal your massive ignorance. Satellite data only goes back to 1979, because that is when we put up our first arctic observing satellite.

And this is where you prove your stupidity, NASA began using satellites to monitor Arctic Sea Ice in 1978, not 1979.

 

[elektra]

Actually, the photos go back to well before 1900. And when Glacier National Park was designated a National Park, there were 150 glaciers in the park. Today, there are only about 25, and some of those are little more than patches of snow.

The Glaciers were melting over a hundred years ago, well before the rise in CO2. How do you explain that?

 

[elektra]

Glaciers today, are growing.

 

[Old Rocks]

Actually, the photos go back to well before 1900. And when Glacier National Park was designated a National Park, there were 150 glaciers in the park. Today, there are only about 25, and some of those are little more than patches of snow.

The Glaciers were melting over a hundred years ago, well before the rise in CO2. How do you explain that?

The CO2 started rising with the advent of the Industrial Revolution. That was more than 100 years ago.

 

[Old Rocks]

Glaciers today, are growing.

During the middle of the 20th century, examination of the maps and photographs from the previous century provided clear evidence that the 150 glaciers known to have existed in the park a hundred years earlier had greatly retreated, and in many cases disappeared altogether.[50] Repeat photography of the glaciers, such as the pictures taken of Grinnell Glacier between 1938 and 2009 as shown, help to provide visual confirmation of the extent of glacier retreat.


1938 1981 1998 2009
In the 1980s, the U.S. Geological Survey began a more systematic study of the remaining glaciers, which has continued to the present day. By 2010, 37 glaciers remained, but only 25 of these were considered to be "active glaciers" of at least 25 acres (0.10 km2) in area.[4][50] If the current warming trend continues, all of the remaining glaciers in the park will be gone by 2030.[48] This glacier retreat follows a worldwide pattern that has accelerated even more since 1980. Without a major climatic change in which cooler and moister weather returns and persists, the mass balance, which is the accumulation rate versus the ablation (melting) rate of glaciers, will continue to be negative and the glaciers have been projected to eventually disappear, leaving behind only barren rock.[51]

After the end of the Little Ice Age in 1850, the glaciers in the park retreated moderately until the 1910s. Between 1917 and 1941, the retreat rate accelerated and was as high as 330 feet (100 m) per year for some glaciers.[50] A slight cooling trend from the 1940s until 1979 helped to slow the rate of retreat and, in a few cases, even advanced the glaciers over ten meters. However, during the 1980s, the glaciers in the park began a steady period of loss of glacial ice, which continues as of 2010. In 1850, the glaciers in the region near Blackfoot and Jackson Glaciers covered 5,337 acres (21.6 km2), but by 1979, the same region of the park had glacier ice covering only 1,828 acres (7.4 km2). Between 1850 and 1979, 73% of the glacial ice had melted away.[52] At the time the park was created, Jackson Glacier was part of Blackfoot Glacier, but the two have separated into two glaciers since.[53]

Glacier National Park (U.S.) - Wikipedia

You consider that evidence of glaciers advancing? LOL

 

[Old Rocks]

Glaciers today, are growing.

Alaska’s Glaciers Are Retreating
Although the mechanisms vary, together the glaciers are losing 75 billion tons of ice annually

Since the 1990s, the retreat of glaciers in Alaska has made a disproportionally large contribution to global sea-level rise. The USGS reports that the state’s glaciers are losing 75 billion tons of ice annually, equal to the amount of water needed to fill Yankee Stadium 150,000 times each year

Alaska's Glaciers Are Retreating

Now that does not look like the glaciers are growing.

 

[elektra]

Glaciers today, are growing.

Alaska’s Glaciers Are Retreating
Although the mechanisms vary, together the glaciers are losing 75 billion tons of ice annually

Since the 1990s, the retreat of glaciers in Alaska has made a disproportionally large contribution to global sea-level rise. The USGS reports that the state’s glaciers are losing 75 billion tons of ice annually, equal to the amount of water needed to fill Yankee Stadium 150,000 times each year

Alaska's Glaciers Are Retreating

Now that does not look like the glaciers are growing.

Lies, and lies, and more lies, the Sea Level has not risen, Isle of the Dead is evidence of that. Remember that thread Old Crock. Anybody notice the local beach disappear, did we lose Santa Monica or Dana Point, here in Rhode Island, all is the same? Nope Old Crock, you go to google and take the first fake answer that confirms your lie, that is hardly proof. Google is the biggest propaganda tool ever created.