Zone1 Could you be Jewish and not even know it?

[westwall]

which horns?

'tis an old joke

 

[Zebra]

'tis an old joke

good!

 

[fncceo]

but I dont see how DNA can tell if anybody is a JEW

The NAZIs believe it did ... and they were quite ruthless about it.

 

[Zebra]

The NAZIs believe it did ... and they were quite ruthless about it.

they were not interested in religion, but in the ethnic part.

 

[fncceo]

they were not interested in religion, but in the ethnic part.

They didn’t know the difference and neither do most people. In order to obliterate one, they will gleefully obliterate the other.

 

[Hafar1014]

Is your position Adam and Eve were obeying God when they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil? Therefore it follows there is no sin, and as there is no sin, no one needs redemption from what we have mistakenly termed sin?

Correct and thats the position of the Rabbis who study the Pentateuch. It also clear if you can read Hebrew

 

[Meriweather]

Correct and thats the position of the Rabbis who study the Pentateuch. It also clear if you can read Hebrew

Rabbis agree there is no sin in the world now and never has been? No one has ever disobeyed God, or if they did it is because God wanted them to?

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Am I incorrect to have the belief that by abandoning the seventh day Sabbath as well as the annual Jewish High Sabbath, this eventually led to the lost ten tribes of Israel losing their identity as being Jewish?

On that note, what do you think of the prediction in the Roman Catholic Bible that the Lost Tribes of Israel are scheduled to be "restored" in the near future, [I believe that this happens significantly before the literal fulfillment of Zechariah cha

It's the message og the Two Witnesses ARE during the Tribulation.
They will not reveal that "we' are "Jews", but ISRAEL

 

[Hafar1014]

Hold on a second. Judaism is a religion. How the **** can a DNA test prove what anyone past, present, or future believes? Someone is lying and there are three choices who it might be.

Its also a culture and DNA is important

 

[Calgon]

Jesus already came. Judaism is on its way toward obsolescence.

 

[onefour1]

i have a link that goes back to Adam and Eve

Yes, we all link back to Adam and Eve.

 

[BreezeWood]

Yes, we all link back to Adam and Eve.

some are different ...

ask a jew and their mother whichever is the first one - obviously not eve.

 

[Carl in Michigan]

Its also a culture and DNA is important

"Jewish" is an ethnicity. Judaism is the very prevalent religion. But most Jews identify by the religion with two main exceptions

1. Atheist can still be ethnic Jews
2. Christians lose their Jewish identity

 

[there4eyeM]

It is not a question of "suspicion". Certainly, everyone has Jewish ancestors. That does not make one "Jewish", and no one is authentically any religion without knowing it. Despite what anything anyone would like to claim, no other person is any religion by anything other than conscious choice. The expression "born (fill in the name of a religion)" is a disservice to intellect and intelligence. That some faith may consider its members born into that faith does not bind the rest of us from recognizing a higher truth.

 

[DennisPTate]

It is not a question of "suspicion". Certainly, everyone has Jewish ancestors. That does not make one "Jewish", and no one is authentically any religion without knowing it. Despite what anything anyone would like to claim, no other person is any religion by anything other than conscious choice. The expression "born (fill in the name of a religion)" is a disservice to intellect and intelligence. That some faith may consider its members born into that faith does not bind the rest of us from recognizing a higher truth.

Well said there4eyeM!

My belief is that all of us in the year 2025 should be well aware that medical miracles have been happening that, in my opinion, offer proof of an afterlife and of some sort of "Being of Light of near death experience fame" Who has the power to resurrect the dead and totally heal even a destroyed brain and body after oxygen deprivation to the brain has been for such a long time that that person should not even be able to talk coherently?!


Now that we have proof that medical miracles do certainly happen this raises the question of a Spiritual Awakening in our near future that will produce results that will defy all logic or reason.

For example, the Roman Catholic Church borrowed a writing from the Jewish people that is relevant for all of the Middle East but also for all nations.

And Elias the prophet stood up, as a fire, and his word burnt like a torch. 2 He brought a famine upon them, and they that provoked him in their envy, were reduced to a small number, for they could not endure the commandments of the Lord. 3 By the word of the Lord he shut up the heaven, and he brought down fire from heaven thrice. 4 Thus was Elias magnified in his wondrous works. And who can glory like to thee? 5 Who raisedst up a dead man from below, from the lot of death, by the word of the Lord God.

6 Who broughtest down kings to destruction, and brokest easily their power in pieces, and the glorious from their bed. 7 Who heardest judgment in Sina, and in Horeb the judgments of vengeance. 8 Who anointedst kings to penance, and madest prophets successors after thee. 9 Who wast taken up in a whirlwind of fire, in a chariot of fiery horses. 10 Who art registered in the judgments of times to appease the wrath of the Lord, to reconcile the heart of the father to the son, and to restore the tribes of Jacob.

[Ecclesiasticus 48]

Douay-Rheims Bible, Ecclesiasticus (Sirach) Chapter 48

Catholic Bible Study Online, Douay-Rheims Version. Complete text, index, search, Bible verse, bible story, scripture, book, prophesy, christian ...

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I personally was made aware that the EIGHTH Century edition of the Roman Catholic Encyclopaedia has an article in Latin that verifies every major prediction in Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, the Minor Prophets and in the Law of Moses that the entire world is going to return significantly toward Judaism over the coming several centuries.

A friend of mine who had graduated from Ambassador College had a friend at the college who translated the article "The Anti-Christ" from LATIN into English. Essentially the Roman Catholic Prophecy from a minimum of 1400 or so years ago stated that "Jesus would come first" but then the Anti-Christ would come to the earth and soon the veneration of Mary would cease and most Catholics would begin to keep the Jewish Sabbaths and Holy Days, [which is exactly what is predicted in the Jewish scriptures].

After this predicted Roman Catholic "Anti-Christ" comes to the earth this Anti-Christ person throws "Jesus" into hell. That would fit with all the world accepting a certain somebody as being much more than what he really is, but there is even another way of looking at all of this, what if the world generally accepts the final "Elijah" person as being "Jesus" due to all the miracles that happen? So that prophecy could certainly fit with "The Beast and the False Prophet" being thrown into hell, or it might perhaps mean something even stranger. Judaism predicts the coming of a final "Elijah" as well as a "Moshiach ben Yosef - Messiah son of Joseph" who is a mere human political leader like ancient King Cyrus. This Moshiach ben Ephrayim person is predicted to accomplish a lot, including the construction of at least one literal temple for the Jewish people.

Orthodox Jewish scholar and Historian Mr. Yair Davidiy adds some amazing details on how this ancient Jewish apocalyptic prediction could fit with The United States and / The British Commonwealth?

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MOSHIACH BEN YOSEPH​

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by Yair Davidiy[ ​

The Two Messiahs​ <<Our Sacred Sages had a tradition that in the beginning [of the End Times] there would arise a Messiah [i.e. Anointed Saviour] from the house of Joseph who will reign over the Ten Tribes. He will wage wars and all of Israel will be gathered together under his banner. [This will continue] until later on, a descendant of David will appear and he will reign over them.... <<A transformation will take place. The Ten Tribes and the stick of Joseph will draw themselves closer unto the stick of Judah, and this too, will be through the agency of a Prophet and by miracles>>. The Commentary of "Malbim" on Ezekiel 37:15​ The story of Joseph in the Bible is an historical account of what really did happen to Joseph, the ancestor of people in Britain and America, as well as other areas. The story of Joseph, in addition to being an historical account of what happened to a particular person named Joseph, is also symbolic of what will happen to his descendants. In Rabbinical tradition we have the concept of the “Mashiach ben Yoseph” (Messiah, son of Joseph), who will be a DESCENDANT OF JOSEPH. “Mashiach ben Yoseph” also represents the actions of the descendants of Joseph in the Last Days and the times leading up to these last days. In Jewish tradition there will be two Messiahs: “Mashiach ben Yoseph” (Messiah, son of Joseph), and “Mashiach ben David” (Messiah, son of David).​ ]The Two Messiahs​ Since the founding of the State of Israel in 1948 the USA has often helped protect the State of Israel from destruction. The USA has not however really helped Israel expand her borders. On the contrary the USA has often forced Israel to give up territories it had liberated and to constrict her borders, but maybe that will change. Maybe the USA and Britain will help Israel expand her borders in the future as the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is supposed to do. Ingathers the Exiles “Kol HaTor” says [2.40] “His [i.e. Joseph’s] bow abode in strength” (Genesis 49;24). This should be an important principle for us. We have to stand obstinately strong in the holy work of gathering in the exiles which is the task of the first redeemer [i.e. of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH]. Purifies the Land of Israel “Kol HaTor” says [2.41] “And Joseph was governor over the land” (Genesis 42;6). This means he will overcome all the forces of impurity. This is one of the great tasks of the First Redeemer [of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH]: to extirpate the spirit of impurity from the country by means of settling the Holy Land. When the Holy Land is not settled [with Israelites] a spirit of impurity settles over it. [When the Holy Land is settled with Israelites the Land becomes pure]. Joshua ben Nun Was a Forerunner “Kol HaTor” says [2.44] The First Redeemer [MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH] fights against Amalek with total warfare…[he fights against the forces of anti-Semitism]. This was the task of Joshua ben Nun who was [a forerunner and ancestor of] the Messiah Son of Joseph. Aroused by Elijah “Kol HaTor” says [2.71] “Behold I will send you my prophet Elijah…and he will return the hearts of the fathers to their sons” (Malachi 4). One of the tasks of Elijah is to arouse the spirit of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. Comment: [Malachi 4:5] BEHOLD, I WILL SEND YOU ELIJAH THE PROPHET BEFORE THE COMING OF THE GREAT AND DREADFUL DAY OF THE LORD: [Malachi 4:6] AND HE SHALL TURN THE HEART OF THE FATHERS TO THE CHILDREN, AND THE HEART OF THE CHILDREN TO THEIR FATHERS, LEST I COME AND SMITE THE EARTH WITH A CURSE.

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Messiah son of Joseph

 

[shockedcanadian]

Jesus already came. Judaism is on its way toward obsolescence.

Errr, this has been the case for over 2000 years. How many.said the same? Judaism isn't going anywhere as long.as America and Israel exist. I am certain though that particular regions of the world would like such an outcome.

 

[Hafar1014]

"Jewish" is an ethnicity. Judaism is the very prevalent religion. But most Jews identify by the religion with two main exceptions

1. Atheist can still be ethnic Jews
2. Christians lose their Jewish identity

Jews are a culture a religion and an ethnicity all together.
An atheist cant be Jew
Christians never were Jews

 

[DennisPTate]

Jews are a culture a religion and an ethnicity all together.
An atheist cant be Jew
Christians never were Jews

Or could Rabbi Akiva been INCORRECT on some rather large decisions that he made?

I have read that Rabbi Akiva taught Simon Bar Kochba that as soon as he got rid of the Roman Soldiers out of the Roman Province of Judaea that he would need to get rid of those "aposTate" Messianic Jews who followed Rabbi Yeshua -Jesus.

Apparently this decision did not work out so well because around four hundred thousand or so Messianic Jews, DID NOT join in the Bar Kochba Revolt and thus were NOT expelled by the Roman Legions after the Bar Kochba Revolt was crushed. The Tsvi Misinai research indicates that the Palestinian people could significantly be the grandchildren of the Messianic Jewish community of the second century.

On the other hand the great, great, Messianic Jewish grandparents of the Palestinian people would be mortified to see how far their grandchildren had fallen from the way that they taught and lived in the second century?


I believe that this is a huge and critical topic that needs to be understood at this time in history.

Thread 'Were the four hundred thousand Messianic Jews of the Bar Kochba Revolt grandparents to Palestinians?'

Nov 8, 2025

Messianic Jewish author Sid Roth gives the statistic of 400,000 for the number of Messianic Jews, [followers of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus], living in the Roman Province of Judaea at the time of the Bar Kochba Revolt.

If Sid Roth's statistic is correct could the Palestinians of this last century be largely descended from the first century followers of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus who DID NOT join in the Bar Kochba Revolt and thus were allowed to stay in Roman Judaea and grow olive oil and grain and wine and pay taxes to Rome?

[Sid Roth] :
The first Church was Jewish. If a Gentile wanted to...

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[fncceo]

Who has the power to resurrect the dead and totally heal even a destroyed brain and body after oxygen deprivation to the brain has been for such a long time

George Romero

 

[DennisPTate]

George Romero

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Good point, but it seems to me as if that Being of Light of near death experience fame is getting into the production of reality film projects that are seen in the Life Review, [that I assume all of us are facing when we either die or have a near death experience]?


The Life Review of John J. Davis was very interesting but so is his entire account that is from a different perspective than most NDE's?


www.johnjdavisnde.com/

Life Review​

There is a building in Turkey called the Temple of Artemis, which looked very much like the orientation building—this beautiful Greek building with columns. I don’t know why, but so many of the buildings my guide took me to looked like they were made of marble. The places he took me to seemed almost like being on a college campus, with separate buildings for each department. My guide only took me to a small area of the other side, so what I saw wasn’t everything in totality—it was only a small part. A lot of the buildings he took me to looked like they were made of marble in the Greek type of design.

He took me to many different places. The first place he took me to was another beautiful Greek-looking building. It was rectangular and had columns all along the sides and the front. I cannot express how large these buildings were, but we have nothing like them here on Earth. They were absolutely gigantic.

He took me to the outside so I could see what it looked like, and then he took me inside into one of the rooms there. I was in a large, round room that looked like a traditional theater that we have here. Instead of having a screen in the front, the movie screens were all on the top in a big circle. There must have been fifteen or twenty of these screens.

My guide said, “Everybody has a life review.” As soon as he said that, all of a sudden, each one of these screens lit up. It looked like there was a movie playing. As I looked closer, I realized that every one of these screens had a different period of my lifetime. One was of me as a little toddler. Another screen showed me as an adolescent. Another screen showed me the first day of kindergarten. Every screen was playing a different aspect of my life up to the age that I was at 21.

The reason for that is you want to see how you did. Did you accomplish everything that you set out to accomplish?

Here is the wonderful thing about my experience: I was raised Catholic, and I had a lot of worries and fears about judgment. I found out that nobody judges your life except for you. You are the only judge of your life. The only person who goes with you during your life review is your spirit guide, because they are the ones who helped you plan your life. It was an amazing thing to realize that your lifetime isn’t judged—you’re the only one who judges it."
[John J. Davis]

Life Review - John J. Davis Near-Death Experience

There is a building in Turkey called the Temple of Artemis, which looked very much like the orientation building—this beautiful Greek building with columns...

johnjdavisnde.com