Zone1 Could you be Jewish and not even know it?

[Meriweather]

I have to admit that I have felt that call for decades already. I actually priced the cost of a circumcision back in 1999.

I am adamant in the belief that no one should get in the way of the Holy Spirit, so I am merely offering my experience, not trying to knock you off what you feel called to do.

My experience of God left me extremely puzzled by the Old Testament and how God had been depicted in those accounts, which prompted my deep dive into Judaism, leading through the Hebrew language. I found the difference between Hebrew and English astounding. It provided an expanded view of not only the Old Testament, but the New Testament as well--and Jesus, himself.

The turning or decision point is whether one believes Jesus, a man, is also divine and one with God. I respect Judaism too much not to honor their insistence that Jesus was merely a man, and not a very important one at that. I believe the concept known as Trinity that God is Father/Creator; Son/Word; and Holy Spirit--all one, all working together in the Being we as mere humans don't fully understand. I investigated Eucharistic miracles, kept up on the Shroud of Turin studies.

I reject Jews for Jesus (the name is insulting and disrespectful to those of the Jewish faith) and recognize that my faith and understanding of Jesus puts me outside the Jewish faith--yet closer to them that any Jew would accept given my alliance to Jesus.

 

[DennisPTate]

I am adamant in the belief that no one should get in the way of the Holy Spirit, so I am merely offering my experience, not trying to knock you off what you feel called to do.

My experience of God left me extremely puzzled by the Old Testament and how God had been depicted in those accounts, which prompted my deep dive into Judaism, leading through the Hebrew language. I found the difference between Hebrew and English astounding. It provided an expanded view of not only the Old Testament, but the New Testament as well--and Jesus, himself.

The turning or decision point is whether one believes Jesus, a man, is also divine and one with God. I respect Judaism too much not to honor their insistence that Jesus was merely a man, and not a very important one at that. I believe the concept known as Trinity that God is Father/Creator; Son/Word; and Holy Spirit--all one, all working together in the Being we as mere humans don't fully understand. I investigated Eucharistic miracles, kept up on the Shroud of Turin studies.

I reject Jews for Jesus (the name is insulting and disrespectful to those of the Jewish faith) and recognize that my faith and understanding of Jesus puts me outside the Jewish faith--yet closer to them that any Jew would accept given my alliance to Jesus.

Thank you for these highly relevant and helpful comments.

It is my understanding that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus, [Isa the Prophet to Muslims, Shalom be upon Him], made it clear that He Himself was NOT doing the miracles that were happening around his ministry but instead the Heavenly Father was doing those miracles.

Later on Messiah Yeshua - Jesus made it clear that His disciples were far better off if He sent them The Holy Spririt - ]the Ruach ha Kodesh to Jews], as opposed to He Himself living on and on and on and on and on!?

To my thinking that means that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus stated that there was a minimum of two Divine Personages who were more powerful than He was?

Some sincere Trinitarians would tend to find that assertion grievously offensive but, I believe that this idea could play a role in Christians in general getting along a little better with Jewish and Islamic scholars?

 

[GLASNOST]

... I would love it if you did talk about your own convictions?

Are you sure?

Yes, you will find that it is quite difficult to offend me.

OK. I am an Agnostic therefore I neither believe nor disbelieve in a Creator, consequently I have no idea what the Meaning of Life can be. The only thing I am definitely convinced of is that no one else knows either. But just for the sake of discussion let us assume there is a Creator and he/she/it has a plan and a meaning for what we refer to as “life”. Let me take one step back. I have travelled the whole world and I have met people from all walks of life. I personally, think that peace and harmony is a pretty good way to spend this time on earth. Why? Because pain and suffering just isn’t very much fun. I’ve experienced some of that. I am not alone. My experience tells me that the vast majority of people on this earth share my thoughts about peace and harmony: Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Sun Worshippers, Believers, Dis-Believers, Agnostics, you name it. I am guessing that they all dislike pain and suffering as much as I do. So, God’s plan? I’ll bet that when (or if} we find out it won’t have anything to do with anything we’ve ever dreamed up. And the original question? Anyone or any Thing that might have Created life doesn’t give a shit if we are Christian or Jew or Muslim or anything else. Such a trivial concern it must be!

 

[DennisPTate]

OK. I am an Agnostic therefore I neither believe nor disbelieve in a Creator, consequently I have no idea what the Meaning of Life can be. The only thing I am definitely convinced of is that no one else knows either. But just for the sake of discussion let us assume there is a Creator and he/she/it has a plan and a meaning for what we refer to as “life”. Let me take one step back. I have travelled the whole world and I have met people from all walks of life. I personally, think that peace and harmony is a pretty good way to spend this time on earth. Why? Because pain and suffering just isn’t very much fun. I’ve experienced some of that. I am not alone. My experience tells me that the vast majority of people on this earth share my thoughts about peace and harmony: Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Sun Worshippers, Believers, Dis-Believers, Agnostics, you name it. I am guessing that they all dislike pain and suffering as much as I do. So, God’s plan? I’ll bet that when (or if} we find out it won’t have anything to do with anything we’ve ever dreamed up. And the original question? Anyone or any Thing that might have Created life doesn’t give a shit if we are Christian or Jew or Muslim or anything else. Such a trivial concern it must be!

Excellent!


I would truly be honored if I could lure you over into this other discussion where your comments fit in perfectly.

I could be termed a believer in a variation of "Theistic Evolutionary Theory." I believe that the Being of Light of near death experience fame "learned and evolved" over something like INFINITE time in the past, [which is a lot more than a mere fourteen billion years or so].

Lately it appears to me as if this Being of Light of near death experience fame has gotten into the production of eight billion reality films and has invested astonishing audio video recording technology in that Life Review that I assume all of us will eventually experience.

Zone1 Thread 'New information on "Old Earth Creationism" and on "Theistic Evolutionary Theory?"'

Nov 26, 2025

As of last year new information came out related to Old Earth Creationism. Near death experiencer Robert Marshall was brain dead for ninety minutes and in a coma for forty four hours. During the last forty three hours and twenty eight minutes, he claims that Jesus filled him in on astonishing details such as"
1. The earth itself is three point six BILLION years old
2. Satan BEGAN to fall roughly seventy million years ago.
3. Satan had fully fallen by about sixty five million years ago.

I believe that this information is highly relevant to Pope Leo and I would suggest to Pope Leo that he...

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Here are several paragraphs that I take as evidence that our Creator has in a sense "learned or evolved."

[Former Atheist and near death experiencer Mellen Thomas Benedict] :

6. The Void​

At this point of my NDE, I found myself in a profound stillness, beyond all silence. I could see or perceive FOREVER, beyond Infinity. I was in the Void.

I was in pre-creation, before the Big Bang. I had crossed over the beginning of time / the First Word / the First vibration. I was in the Eye of Creation. I felt as if I was touching the Face of God. It was not a religious feeling. Simply, I was at one with Absolute Life and Consciousness. When I say that I could see or perceive forever, I mean that I could experience all of creation generating itself. It was without beginning and without end. That’s a mind-expanding thought, isn’t it? Scientists perceive the Big Bang as a single event that created the Universe. I saw during my life after death experience that the Big Bang is only one of an infinite number of Big Bangs creating Universes endlessly and simultaneously. The only images that even come close in human terms would be those created by super computers using fractal geometry equations.

The ancients knew of this. They said God had periodically created new Universes by breathing out, and recreated other Universes by breathing in. These epochs were called Yugas. Modern science called this the Big Bang. I was in absolute, pure consciousness. I could see or perceive all the Big Bangs or Yugas creating and recreating themselves. Instantly I entered into them all simultaneously. I saw that each and every little piece of creation has the power to create. It is very difficult to try to explain this. I am still speechless about this.

Mellen-Thomas Benedict's Near-Death Experience - Near-Death Experiences and the Afterlife

Near-Death Experiences and the Afterlife profiles Mellen-Thomas Benedict's Near-Death Experience . Did you enjoy reading this post, we have more!

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I have already gotten the impression that YOU could write a book on this topic that might just shift how many of us view our place in this universe or multiverse?

 

[GLASNOST]

.... Lately it appears to me as if this Being of Light of near death experience fame has gotten into the production of eight billion reality films and has invested astonishing audio video recording technology in that Life Review that I assume all of us will eventually experience.

I believe you.

I have already gotten the impression that YOU could write a book on this topic ...

My English isn't good enough and what I have to say today probably won't be worth a dime by the time the book is published.

 

[Hafar1014]

I am adamant in the belief that no one should get in the way of the Holy Spirit, so I am merely offering my experience, not trying to knock you off what you feel called to do.

My experience of God left me extremely puzzled by the Old Testament and how God had been depicted in those accounts, which prompted my deep dive into Judaism, leading through the Hebrew language. I found the difference between Hebrew and English astounding. It provided an expanded view of not only the Old Testament, but the New Testament as well--and Jesus, himself.

The turning or decision point is whether one believes Jesus, a man, is also divine and one with God. I respect Judaism too much not to honor their insistence that Jesus was merely a man, and not a very important one at that. I believe the concept known as Trinity that God is Father/Creator; Son/Word; and Holy Spirit--all one, all working together in the Being we as mere humans don't fully understand. I investigated Eucharistic miracles, kept up on the Shroud of Turin studies.

I reject Jews for Jesus (the name is insulting and disrespectful to those of the Jewish faith) and recognize that my faith and understanding of Jesus puts me outside the Jewish faith--yet closer to them that any Jew would accept given my alliance to Jesus.

I learned to read the Pentateuch In Hebrew. There is no original sin or fall of man in Genesis. Adam was always supposed to eat the fruit as that was Gods plan. You cant sin when you do as God expects you to do. What followed is called the trial for mans freedom. Adam after eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge of morals must admit his act to God. He must prove he has free will and also moral values. He does and outgrows the garden and must leave.
The story is an allgory and Adam is metaphor.

The problem for Christians is since there is no original sin there is no need for Jesus to save us form what bever existed.

 

[BreezeWood]

Rabbi Alon Anava's point is that there are Jews all over the world who don't even know that they are Jewish.

what a joke, all's that is needed is for an individual to claim they are heavenly special to be a jew ... believe a messiah is sent by the heavens to save them - a christian.

without their phony books no one would believe them - so to go to heaven, just write a book.

end of story.

 

[DennisPTate]

I believe you.

My English isn't good enough and what I have to say today probably won't be worth a dime by the time the book is published.

I truly do appreciate your humility but I had the privilege to teach English as a Second Language in Quito, Ecuador in 2001 and 2002. Much of the squabbling that I get into online is me attempting to put out ideas that would perhaps grab the attention of some of my former students from Ecuador, and get them them thinking and questioning, [and I love it when a bright person starts to argue with me]!

Your book could be in your first language first. Then it could be turned into a film production cooperative or kibbutz along with your most enthusiastic readers as members of that cooperative.

I was born in Antigonish, Nova Scotia, Canada and Dr. Moses Coady got us red necks from the back woods of Nova Scotia out of poverty by teaching us how we could pool our skills and resources and get things done that could not be done if we all attempted to be totally independent of each other.

Moses Coady - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[GLASNOST]

Your book could be in your first language first. Then it could be turned into a film production cooperative

I'm too old for all of that. I'm nearing the end and I think that's OK.

or kibbutz along with your most enthusiastic readers as members of that cooperative.

I am not Israeli and anyway I am an Agnostic. Besides all of that I have nothing to say that will make any difference to anyone. I only say what I think but at least I give it a lot of thought before I say it.

 

[Meriweather]

I learned to read the Pentateuch In Hebrew. There is no original sin or fall of man in Genesis. Adam was always supposed to eat the fruit as that was Gods plan. You cant sin when you do as God expects you to do. What followed is called the trial for mans freedom. Adam after eating the fruit from the tree of knowledge of morals must admit his act to God. He must prove he has free will and also moral values. He does and outgrows the garden and must leave.
The story is an allgory and Adam is metaphor.

The problem for Christians is since there is no original sin there is no need for Jesus to save us form what bever existed.

Is your position Adam and Eve were obeying God when they ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil? Therefore it follows there is no sin, and as there is no sin, no one needs redemption from what we have mistakenly termed sin?

 

[Meriweather]

Thank you for these highly relevant and helpful comments.

It is my understanding that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus, [Isa the Prophet to Muslims, Shalom be upon Him], made it clear that He Himself was NOT doing the miracles that were happening around his ministry but instead the Heavenly Father was doing those miracles.

Later on Messiah Yeshua - Jesus made it clear that His disciples were far better off if He sent them The Holy Spririt - ]the Ruach ha Kodesh to Jews], as opposed to He Himself living on and on and on and on and on!?

To my thinking that means that Messiah Yeshua - Jesus stated that there was a minimum of two Divine Personages who were more powerful than He was?

Some sincere Trinitarians would tend to find that assertion grievously offensive but, I believe that this idea could play a role in Christians in general getting along a little better with Jewish and Islamic scholars?

John's Gospel gives another perspective of Jesus:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God. All things came to be through him, and without him nothing came to be.
What came to be through him was life, and this life was the light of the human race; the light shines in the darkness,
and the darkness has not overcome it.
In Chapter 5, John continues:

"So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing on his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, the Son does likewise" Jesus continued that his purpose was to do the will of the Father.

It appears that while the Father is Creator, without the Word (Jesus) nothing came to be.

In Chapter 14, John writes of the Holy Spirit. Basically, the purpose of the Holy Spirit includes:

To be a permanent Helper and Advocate
To teach and remind
To guide into all truth
To testify about Jesus
To provide power and strength
To offer peace
To help in weakness

Personally, I do not see Jesus as less powerful, but in fact the power of God. Different purposes noted in the Trinity does not signify power, but how all work together.

 

[Polishprince]

I know for a fact that I am 0.5% Jewish based on the DNA test my sister sent for.

That means I'm a lot more Jewish than Pocahontas is Indian Squaw.

But I still don't walk around bragging about it, like I'm one of the learned elders of Zion.

 

[fncceo]

If your mother is Jewish, you’re Jewish

If she’s not, you’re not.

It’s not rocket science.

 

[onefour1]

Could you be Jewish and not even know it?​

Some consider themselves Jewish if they believe in the Jewish religion while others consider themselves Jewish if they have ancestors who can be traced back to the tribe of Judah. There are people who do not know their genealogy and may have ancestors who are of the tribe of Judah.

 

[BreezeWood]

If your mother is Jewish, you’re Jewish

If she’s not, you’re not.

It’s not rocket science.

so who was their first mother ... its the auditory hallucinations of abraham that started it, his mother.

 

[fncceo]

Could you be Jewish and not even know it?

No

It's not like being Trans. You either ARE or ARE not Jewish and that (except in rare cases on conversion) is determined at birth.

You can trace your lineage back to the Big Bang if you want but if your mother isn't Jewish ... then you're NOT Jewish according to Halakha, Jewish Law.

There is no such thing as 1/2 or 1/3rd or 1/2073rd Jewish ... it's a Binary State.

 

[Polishprince]

No

It's not like being Trans. You either ARE or ARE not Jewish and that (except in rare cases on conversion) is determined at birth.

You can trace your lineage back to the Big Bang if you want but if your mother isn't Jewish ... then you're NOT Jewish according to Halakha, Jewish Law.

There is no such thing as 1/2 or 1/3rd or 1/2073rd Jewish ... it's a Binary State.

Sure.

But if your mum's maternal grandmother's maternal grandmother was Jewish, so are you, even if this information has been forgotten.

 

[onefour1]

No

It's not like being Trans. You either ARE or ARE not Jewish and that (except in rare cases on conversion) is determined at birth.

You can trace your lineage back to the Big Bang if you want but if your mother isn't Jewish ... then you're NOT Jewish according to Halakha, Jewish Law.

There is no such thing as 1/2 or 1/3rd or 1/2073rd Jewish ... it's a Binary State.

The key words is "KNOW". If you haven't traced any of your lineage back, you many not KNOW if you are Jewish. You could also have a very small bit of lineage that is Jewish but if you are not aware of it, then you most certainly can be Jewish and not even know it.

 

[fncceo]

The key words is "KNOW". If you haven't traced any of your lineage back, you many not KNOW if you are Jewish. You could also have a very small bit of lineage that is Jewish but if you are not aware of it, then you most certainly can be Jewish and not even know it.

For the benefit of the learning impaired --- it has NOTHING to do with lineage further back than your own mother.

If you don't know if your own mother is Jewish or not then, she's probably NOT, and you don't worry need to worry about it.

You might have had ancestors running around Jerusalem back in 1500 BCE ... that doesn't make you Jewish any more than having a circumcision.

 

[fncceo]

Sure.

But if your mum's maternal grandmother's maternal grandmother was Jewish, so are you, even if this information has been forgotten.

Again, for the learning impaired ... it's your mother. If your mother forgot she's Jew, then find a nice nursing home.

If her mother was a Jew, she's a Jew ... like an infinite stack of turtles.