Zone1 Could you be Jewish and not even know it?

[fncceo]

I know for a fact that I am 0.5% Jewish

Since there is NO SUCH THING, then you're not.

Fractional Judaism was invented by some German guys back in the day so they could figure out who went to the camps and who went to the Army.

 

[GLASNOST]

I know for a fact that I am 0.5% Jewish based on the DNA test my sister sent for.

That means I'm a lot more Jewish than Pocahontas is Indian Squaw.

But I still don't walk around bragging about it, like I'm one of the learned elders of Zion.

Hold on a second. Judaism is a religion. How the **** can a DNA test prove what anyone past, present, or future believes? Someone is lying and there are three choices who it might be.

 

[GLASNOST]

I know for a fact that I am 0.5% Jewish based on the DNA test my sister sent for.
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"Fact"? If you or your sister bought that load of codswollop then that's one thing but if you want to push that crap to others .......

Since there is NO SUCH THING,

Thank you.

 

[onefour1]

Hold on a second. Judaism is a religion. How the **** can a DNA test prove what anyone past, present, or future believes? Someone is lying and there are three choices who it might be.

You need to study your Bible. Abraham had a son named Isaac. Isaac had a son named Jacob. Jacob's name was changed to Israel. Jacob or Israel had 12 sons. One of his sons was named Judah. It is from the lineage of Judah that the Jews originated. Thus if you have a lineage that links back to Judah, then you are partly Jewish in a genealogical way if not completely Jewish.

 

[my2¢]

I don't see being Jewish as something that is hereditary and so in answer to the question in the thread's title, I'll answer no.

As for the second question about my ancestors and whether they could have been Jewish, I wouldn't rule it considering the six degrees of separation.

 

[DennisPTate]

John's Gospel gives another perspective of Jesus:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was in the beginning with God. All things came to be through him, and without him nothing came to be.
What came to be through him was life, and this life was the light of the human race; the light shines in the darkness,
and the darkness has not overcome it.
In Chapter 5, John continues:

"So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing on his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, the Son does likewise" Jesus continued that his purpose was to do the will of the Father.

It appears that while the Father is Creator, without the Word (Jesus) nothing came to be.

In Chapter 14, John writes of the Holy Spirit. Basically, the purpose of the Holy Spirit includes:

To be a permanent Helper and Advocate
To teach and remind
To guide into all truth
To testify about Jesus
To provide power and strength
To offer peace
To help in weakness

Personally, I do not see Jesus as less powerful, but in fact the power of God. Different purposes noted in the Trinity does not signify power, but how all work together.

All of this is absolutely true. All of that information about Messiah Yeshua - Jesus is true which can be quite confusing for theologians. I am glad that I am merely an amateur so it is easier for me to admit that I might be somewhat off in my theories.

 

[DennisPTate]

I don't see being Jewish as something that is hereditary and so in answer to the question in the thread's title, I'll answer no.

As for the second question about my ancestors and whether they could have been Jewish, I wouldn't rule it considering the six degrees of separation.

My wife knows pretty much for certain that she is Sephardic Jewish. She could apply for her Spanish citizenship based simply on her mom's last name. If she were to obtain her Spanish citizenship based on her mom's last name, that would be one relevant piece of evidence that could be used for her to apply for her Israeli citizenship, [but she would need to contact a Rabbi and take matters a step or two further].

 

[GLASNOST]

Hold on a second. Judaism is a religion. How the **** can a DNA test prove what anyone past, present, or future believes? Someone is lying and there are three choices who it might be.

You need to study your Bible.

You need to study DNA.

.... if you have a lineage that links back to Judah, then you are partly Jewish in a genealogical way if not completely Jewish.

"in a genealogical way"? You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Read my lips: GENES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU BELIEVE. How is that not clear to you?

 

[onefour1]

You need to study DNA.

"in a genealogical way"? You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Read my lips: GENES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU BELIEVE. How is that not clear to you?

They have in the past to a great extent. However, I never argued that your genes determine your religious beliefs. I argue that the Jews began as a race of people from the loins of Judah the son of Jacob or Israel. So if you have the genes of Judah you have a Jewish heritage. The 12 sons of Israel became the 12 tribes of Israel and that is how the house of Israel began. Many of the tribes of Israel were carried off by the Assyrians and were lost. They are known today as the lost tribes of Israel. Judah was not one of the tribes that were carried off. They were the dominant tribe that remained and their belief system is rooted in the law of Moses. However, after the days of Christ, the Jews also were scattered throughout the earth and today their belief system is known as Judaism. However, they began and continue to this day to have a lineage that can be taken back to Judah the father of their race. Ask any Jew if this is not correct. Yes, those who convert to Judaism may call themselves Jews but the term originated with Judah, one of the sons of Jacob, aka Israel. I have genes that go back to the tribe of Judah as well as other genes not related to Judah. Spend some time researching your genealogy and you may find that you too have Jewish ancestry.

 

[BreezeWood]

GENES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU BELIEVE. How is that not clear to you?

theirs is not a religion - they, who they chose to believe abraham who heard voices, claim they are chosen for their charming personalities as superior beings and are special - just that for some reason they are who need a savior they on their own are waiting for.

- all news to the heavens who are suppose to be sending them their messiah and it wasn't jesus.

 

[GLASNOST]

.... GENES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU BELIEVE. ....

They have in the past ..... that the Jews began as a race

I am having a discussion with someone who thinks DNA can prove your religion and that Judaism is a race. This is ridiculous.

 

[GLASNOST]

Let me shoot straight from the hip and address the sort of thing that makes people believe this madness such as:

I know for a fact that I am 0.5% Jewish based on the DNA test my sister sent for.

So ..... according to the idiocy of percent tweakage regarding "beliefs/religion" if my father worshipped the devil I'd be 50% Satanist.

 

[Zebra]

Could you be Jewish and not even know it?​

Some consider themselves Jewish if they believe in the Jewish religion while others consider themselves Jewish if they have ancestors who can be traced back to the tribe of Judah. There are people who do not know their genealogy and may have ancestors who are of the tribe of Judah.

aren.t we all Jews?

 

[Zebra]

You need to study your Bible. Abraham had a son named Isaac. Isaac had a son named Jacob. Jacob's name was changed to Israel. Jacob or Israel had 12 sons. One of his sons was named Judah. It is from the lineage of Judah that the Jews originated. Thus if you have a lineage that links back to Judah, then you are partly Jewish in a genealogical way if not completely Jewish.

i have a link that goes back to Adam and Eve

 

[Zebra]

Exactly!

I do believe that an extremely high percentage of Italian Americans are partly or very significantly genetically "Jewish" and they do not even know it.

There is a secondary angle on this whole topic that I became aware of in the early 1970's when I was a teenager. Pastor General Herbert W. Armstrong wrote a book entitled "The United States and Britain in Prophecy." In this book he presented parts of the case that the USA and Britain's rise to power, wealth and military super power status was predicted in the Book of Genesis with the predictions about to two sons of Joseph - Yosef, named Ephrayim and Menasseh.

Orthodox Jewish scholar and historian Mr. Yair Davidiy writes up this topic at a level that is far beyond what Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong was able to do.

This article will give you a good idea about what Mr. Yair Davidiy is asserting.

and what does the Bible say about Germany?

 

[Zebra]

Hold on a second. Judaism is a religion. How the **** can a DNA test prove what anyone past, present, or future believes? Someone is lying and there are three choices who it might be.

Jewish has a double meaning

1 ethnic
2 religious

those 2 are mostly together, but not always

 

[Zebra]

but I dont see how DNA can tell if anybody is a JEW

 

[westwall]

After the 1: 06: 00 mark in the following video Rabbi Alon Anava gives a story about his family. His father was born in Lebanon and his father's father had been born in Syria. About a hundred plus years ago it was rather common for Jewish girls to be abducted in Islamic nations, and they would never be seen again. His great grandfather's brother had a daughter who was abducted. Years later because his family were merchants a cousin saw this woman, in Jordan and this girl was grown up and by then was married with children.

Rabbi Alon Anava's point is that there are Jews all over the world who don't even know that they are Jewish. He talks about a story from the town in Israel, where he lives about a synagogue nearby where a man showed up who had been from a Palestinian city. The Rabbi was surprised to find out that a Palestinian was in the synagogue and this man told him a story. He told him that he had grown up being taught that Jews were monsters and they would do this and that and that we should kill them but, when he grew up, he decided to visit Israel to see these "monsters." The Israelis that he met he really liked them and then he decided that that was it he was going to leave the refugee camp and go and live with the Jews. He went back to his home and he told his mother his intentions and his mother told him that he was actually Jewish and his family had moved there about fifty years ago. She even gave him a photograph of an ancestor who was buried in a Jewish cemetery in Israel but she told her son not to tell anybody in the refugee camp, or they would be killed.

Are we at the end of days??? What does the Zohar say about it! - Rabbi Alon Anava​

There is a sentence in the Roman Catholic Bible that was "borrowed" from Jews and it gives a prediction that in our time period that somehow the Lost Tribes of Israel would be restored somehow? I believe that a big part of this will be miraculous but it will also happen so gradually that it may appear to be a natural process.

Mr. Tsvi Misinai has estimated that up to half of the Palestinian people actually know that they have Jewish blood in their veins but the atmosphere is such that they cannot openly talk about this or they would be killed.

I believe that a shift is coming where the Lost Tribes of Israel will be restored and all of us will be amazed. The very fact that the little nation of Israel is already getting close to her seventy eighth birthday is actually pretty amazing if we really think about it.

I thought the horns gave them away?

 

[Zebra]

I thought the horns gave them away?

which horns?

 

[Zebra]

where does the Catholic Bible say anything about Jews in our times?