Conservative consider liberals are young and naive

[billyerock1991]

I wonder if most conservatives are old people? Or did they have an experience of being liberal. I don't understand how they've equated being liberal with being young and having no idea what you're talking about. i tend to disagree with them. Liberals are not welcome of late.
But why do we have such prejudices about them?

have you ever spoke to a young liberal?

totally brainwashed zombies

I wonder if most conservatives are old people? Or did they have an experience of being liberal. I don't understand how they've equated being liberal with being young and having no idea what you're talking about. i tend to disagree with them. Liberals are not welcome of late.
But why do we have such prejudices about them?

have you ever spoke to a young liberal?

totally brainwashed zombies

To be honest, being on forums like this in various countries, having lived in 5 foreign countries, traveled to over 50 countries on 5 continents, I find that most people's views are pretty much brainwashed by someone or other.

One thing you can see when you talk to someone on here, do they speak in simple sentences and don't bother backing themselves up, or do they speak intelligently? I'd say I've found some people who are the latter, but most are the former. Most of the people, doesn't matter which side they're from, they're just here for the fight. They'll fling shit like "liberals are stupid" or "conservatives are stupid" or "brainwashed" or any of that stuff, but most likely those throwing the shit are also part of the shit.

In the USA the FACTS are most liberals are brainwashed by the liberal biased MSM that supports their biased unsubstantiated hyperbolic statements.
Look at Cecil the Lion uproar. Then compare to the Planned Parenthood stories:
Simple comparison shows the bias:
About 9,080,000 results (0.30 seconds) after a "news" search for exactly this: "Cecil the lion"..
BUT for "planned parenthood sells baby parts" a news search : About 355,000 results
255 times as many news search for Cecil as for the selling of baby parts.
What better example of how our general public gets concerned over the killing of an animal BUT very little concern over the selling of baby parts.
Seems to be a classic example of USA MSM bias at play here!

Except that selling baby parts is a federal offense. No one has been charged because no laws have been broken.
You have to stop believing the nonsense right wingers tell you. Makes you look bad.

you would think if these republicans would have a clue in what was being said.... if we dems/liberals put a video on line that was edited as much as these videos are, they would be screaming fowl play ... but they believe what they want to believe and never really look up the whole source ... Let me ask you this republicans ... Why didn't they release the entire video uncut without and edits ??? whys that republicans??? I seen the videos they said they had that were supposed to be uncut ... they were cut ... so why is that ??? can you give us a real truthful answer ??? why they didn't they put the whole video out ??? Could it be they are distorting the facts again ???

 

[healthmyths]

Sad... you see me that way because at 72 years I see more ways to teach people how to be independent yet people like you want to make more people W2T i.e. "womb2tomb" dependent.
For example if anyone wants to help me develop a business that will make over $30 million a year I'm open but it is hard to find people who as you described think the only way to security is via being a W2T person.

Actually the "myth" of greedy people like you described is again a product of MSM ignorance and bias.
Rather then recognize that teaching people how to be independent is better for society as a whole ignorant MSM continues
the myth about "single payer" about federal government being capable of handling all people's needs. Truly sad that people like
you want to make mindless slaves to the socialist state.

Was it four for the price of one on assumptions down at the supermarket today or what?

Firstly, this isn't about being independent or not.

You're telling me that only right wing teaches people to be independent. Rubbish. Good education, which is generally more supported by the left than the right, is education which teaches independence of mind.

I didn't say greedy people. I said people who no longer cared. People who had their position in life and didn't want to lose it. Doesn't mean they're greedy.

Also, I didn't say the govt was the only body capable of handling all of people's needs.

So "people like you" as you referred me to, isn't people like me at all. It's people you pretend I am because you're jumping all over assumptions like there's no tomorrow.

"Good education" like this:
Why Oklahoma Lawmakers Voted to Ban AP U.S. History
The conservative lawmakers' issues with the course, which was taken by 344,938 students in 2013, can be traced back to retired high-school history teacher Larry S. Krieger. Two years ago, the College Board released a revised framework for the exam, which took effect this fall. Krieger was incensed by the changes. "As I read through the document, I saw a consistently negative view of American history that highlights oppressors and exploiters," he said during a conference call in August, according toNewsweek.

Krieger complained that the framework portrays the Founding Fathers as "bigots" and suggests that Manifest Destiny was "built on a belief in white racial superiority and a sense of American cultural superiority," rather than "the belief that America had a mission to spread democracy and new technology across the continent," as he put it. And instead of discussing the "the valor or heroism of American soldiers" during World War II, the course outline mentions U.S. internment camps and moral questions raised by the dropping of the atomic bomb.
These included everything from more focus on minorities to a reference to President Reagan's "bellicose rhetoric." Their effort got a huge boost when the Republican National Committee adopted a resolution last August that said the framework "reflects a radically revisionist view of American history.
Why Oklahoma Lawmakers Want to Ban AP US History -- NYMag

This "good education" that teaches the valor of our prior generations was for bad purposes... our soldiers killed people needlessly,etc. all the things that make the USA look like the bad guys... that's a "good education"???

Frankly when people talk about "good education" I immediately think of this product of a "good education" who told us he had to fool us and trick us to get his way! I'm sure you are a FFO by your attitude and responses...

Obama told us in his book..."Dreams of My Father"
"It was usually an effective tactic, another one of those tricks I had learned.
People were satisfied so long as you were courteous and smiled and made no sudden moves.
They were more than satisfied.
They were revealed.
Such a pleasant surprise to find a well-mannered young black man who didn't seem angry all the time.”

 

[billyerock1991]

it's not that only the Right teaches people to be independent; but it is a fact that only the pandering Left fosters, condones, and even promotes dependency

can you say one sided??? sure we can ... after all coming from a guy who doesn't know the difference between the welfare program and the food stamp program, we really can't take your remarks as non-biased... how about this ... Why do the red states rely on more handouts as you call them then the blue states ... can ya tell us that bwedowin62 ???? we would love to hear your answer there....

 

[bedowin62]

it's not that only the Right teaches people to be independent; but it is a fact that only the pandering Left fosters, condones, and even promotes dependency

can you say one sided??? sure we can ... after all coming from a guy who doesn't know the difference between the welfare program and the food stamp program, we really can't take your remarks as non-biased... how about this ... Why do the red states rely on more handouts as you call them then the blue states ... can ya tell us that bwedowin62 ???? we would love to hear your answer there....

YAWN


dont you ever get enough of making a fool of yourself?

i showed you food stamps is considered welfare by THE OBAMA DHS

you're a freaking joke

 

[bedowin62]

ultra-blue DC has the most food stamp

Blue new mexico is the state most reliant on federal government

try again

 

[bedowin62]

During the last few years, a key liberal talking point has been "red state welfare." The argument is that the states that get more from the federal government than they pay in taxes tend to be red states, whereas the states that give more to the federal government than they pay in taxes tend to be blue states. This "red state welfare" hypothesis falls completely apart when we look at the data.
The so-called top 10 "red states" on welfare are New Mexico, Mississippi, Alaska, Louisiana, West Virginia, North Dakota, Alabama, South Dakota, Virginia, and Kentucky.
The purportedly bottom 10 "blue states" not on welfare are New Jersey, Nevada, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Illinois, Delaware, California, New York, and Colorado.
To show how mindless this liberal proposition is, the "red state welfare" argument appears to be entirely based only on how each state voted in the most recent presidential election. This results in entirely junk science.


Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/09/the_myth_of_red_state_welfare.html#ixzz3hqRlMGtv
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[billyerock1991]

it's not that only the Right teaches people to be independent; but it is a fact that only the pandering Left fosters, condones, and even promotes dependency

can you say one sided??? sure we can ... after all coming from a guy who doesn't know the difference between the welfare program and the food stamp program, we really can't take your remarks as non-biased... how about this ... Why do the red states rely on more handouts as you call them then the blue states ... can ya tell us that bwedowin62 ???? we would love to hear your answer there....

YAWN


dont you ever get enough of making a fool of yourself?

i showed you food stamps is considered welfare by THE OBAMA DHS

you're a freaking joke

no its not any part of the welfare program ... thats why you haven't a clue what your are talking about ... you can apply for food stamps and never be on welfare ....because its not part of the welfare program ... you can be on ssdi or ss and get food stamps... you can be working a job and get food stamps ... ask anyone at walmart

 

[bedowin62]

california by far spends the most on welfare

libs are losers who lie to themselves

 

[bedowin62]

it's not that only the Right teaches people to be independent; but it is a fact that only the pandering Left fosters, condones, and even promotes dependency

can you say one sided??? sure we can ... after all coming from a guy who doesn't know the difference between the welfare program and the food stamp program, we really can't take your remarks as non-biased... how about this ... Why do the red states rely on more handouts as you call them then the blue states ... can ya tell us that bwedowin62 ???? we would love to hear your answer there....

YAWN


dont you ever get enough of making a fool of yourself?

i showed you food stamps is considered welfare by THE OBAMA DHS

you're a freaking joke

no its not any part of the welfare program ... thats why you haven't a clue what your are talking about ... you can apply for food stamps and never be on welfare ....because its not part of the welfare program ... you can be on ssdi or ss and get food stamps... you can be working a job and get food stamps ... ask anyone at walmart

you are a complete loser making a fool of himself

i SHOWED YOU THE GOVERNMENT REPORT
that says THE GOVERNMENT DEFINES a welfare recipient as ANYONE getting a benefit FROM ANY ONE OF THREE government programas

try again

 

[bedowin62]

you can apply for food stamps and never be on TANF you moron
but food stamps themselves are considered welfare BY THIS ADMINISTRATION

 

[bedowin62]

According to the DHS, Dept of Human Services; a welfare recipient is defined as anybody on ANY ONE of these programs, TANF, SNAP, or SSI


try again idiot

 

[billyerock1991]

During the last few years, a key liberal talking point has been "red state welfare." The argument is that the states that get more from the federal government than they pay in taxes tend to be red states, whereas the states that give more to the federal government than they pay in taxes tend to be blue states. This "red state welfare" hypothesis falls completely apart when we look at the data.
The so-called top 10 "red states" on welfare are New Mexico, Mississippi, Alaska, Louisiana, West Virginia, North Dakota, Alabama, South Dakota, Virginia, and Kentucky.
The purportedly bottom 10 "blue states" not on welfare are New Jersey, Nevada, Connecticut, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Illinois, Delaware, California, New York, and Colorado.
To show how mindless this liberal proposition is, the "red state welfare" argument appears to be entirely based only on how each state voted in the most recent presidential election. This results in entirely junk science.


Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/09/the_myth_of_red_state_welfare.html#ixzz3hqRlMGtv
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nothing like right wing sites for your source ... how about going to a government site and get the real information instead of some right wing site to justify your means ... you know, if anyone here who keeps making a fool of themselves, that would be you ... using biased web sites says it all ... you haven't idea what you're talking about ... you want to be told your right by some right wing site just so you can say "what a good boy am I" according to the CBO and the welfare site on states there is more people on welfare in the red states then the blue states

To show how mindless this liberal proposition is, the "red state welfare" argument appears to be entirely based only on how each state voted in the most recent presidential election. This results in entirely junk science.
bedowin52 wrote ... I'm still laughing

 

[bedowin62]

YAWN
so typical of a left-wing coward

the "right-wing site" links to the ACTUAL GOVERNMENT REPORT
and that is where you look stupid

when you cowards and losers cant make your argument you resort to attacking the messeenger

 

[bedowin62]

i'm finding it again for you loser


maybe this time you will be man enough to admit you're wrong?

 

[bedowin62]

http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/14/indicators/rpt_indicators.pdf

 

[bedowin62]

As defined in the report ("Welfare Indicators and Risk Factors"), a welfare recipient is any person living in a family where someone received benefits from any of just three programs—Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (formerly Aid to Families With Dependent Children), Supplemental Security Income, and the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (or food stamps).

 

[bedowin62]

http://aspe.hhs.gov/hsp/14/indicators/rpt_indicators.pdf

PAGE 13 of the PDF; under "Executive Summary" defines welfare dependency; someone who is welfare dependent

this is the government's report idiot, not the "right-wing website" that referenced it

 

[healthmyths]

I wonder if most conservatives are old people? Or did they have an experience of being liberal. I don't understand how they've equated being liberal with being young and having no idea what you're talking about. i tend to disagree with them. Liberals are not welcome of late.
But why do we have such prejudices about them?

have you ever spoke to a young liberal?

totally brainwashed zombies

I wonder if most conservatives are old people? Or did they have an experience of being liberal. I don't understand how they've equated being liberal with being young and having no idea what you're talking about. i tend to disagree with them. Liberals are not welcome of late.
But why do we have such prejudices about them?

have you ever spoke to a young liberal?

totally brainwashed zombies

To be honest, being on forums like this in various countries, having lived in 5 foreign countries, traveled to over 50 countries on 5 continents, I find that most people's views are pretty much brainwashed by someone or other.

One thing you can see when you talk to someone on here, do they speak in simple sentences and don't bother backing themselves up, or do they speak intelligently? I'd say I've found some people who are the latter, but most are the former. Most of the people, doesn't matter which side they're from, they're just here for the fight. They'll fling shit like "liberals are stupid" or "conservatives are stupid" or "brainwashed" or any of that stuff, but most likely those throwing the shit are also part of the shit.

In the USA the FACTS are most liberals are brainwashed by the liberal biased MSM that supports their biased unsubstantiated hyperbolic statements.
Look at Cecil the Lion uproar. Then compare to the Planned Parenthood stories:
Simple comparison shows the bias:
About 9,080,000 results (0.30 seconds) after a "news" search for exactly this: "Cecil the lion"..
BUT for "planned parenthood sells baby parts" a news search : About 355,000 results
255 times as many news search for Cecil as for the selling of baby parts.
What better example of how our general public gets concerned over the killing of an animal BUT very little concern over the selling of baby parts.
Seems to be a classic example of USA MSM bias at play here!

Except that selling baby parts is a federal offense. No one has been charged because no laws have been broken.
You have to stop believing the nonsense right wingers tell you. Makes you look bad.

you would think if these republicans would have a clue in what was being said.... if we dems/liberals put a video on line that was edited as much as these videos are, they would be screaming fowl play ... but they believe what they want to believe and never really look up the whole source ... Let me ask you this republicans ... Why didn't they release the entire video uncut without and edits ??? whys that republicans??? I seen the videos they said they had that were supposed to be uncut ... they were cut ... so why is that ??? can you give us a real truthful answer ??? why they didn't they put the whole video out ??? Could it be they are distorting the facts again ???

"fowl"??? See your ignorance is so blatant in comprehension. Word you should have used is "foul" but again thanks once more
for showing how dumb people like you are in simple things like how to use the right words. Very simple. Very small detail but see
that's the problem with people like you! You use terms you don't comprehend. You think your elitists educated "leaders" can handle "BIG" plans when they have totally screwed up some really simple things i.e. "foul up" dummy!

 

[Pete7469]

I wonder if most conservatives are old people? Or did they have an experience of being liberal. I don't understand how they've equated being liberal with being young and having no idea what you're talking about. i tend to disagree with them. Liberals are not welcome of late.
But why do we have such prejudices about them?

That's not true a all.

All liberals are stupid of course, but plenty of them are the decrepit remains of the baby boomer generation.

For example here is the illustration under the definition of "old hag" in the dictionary.

 

[candycorn]

I likely spent more in hotel/motel, sales, and rental car taxes on my last two vacations than you'll pay to Uncle Sam next year sonny. The difference is that I will not see one benefit from THOSE taxes that stay in their municipality. Federal taxes stoke the fires that warm the entire society. People who paid taxes before you kept the fires going and your taxes keep the fires going for those who will be warmed by them after we leave.

It has zero to do with what one person is able to pull off on his or her own but it is telling that a lot of the billionaires who make it known, are often liberal on their politics and are often spending their own monies to start foundations or contribute to those that were founded by other liberals. I'm sure there are a lot of conservatives that do the same thing but are not open about it; the founders of Hobby Lobby are one such family according to Time magazine.

First of all, let me assure you that I undoubtedly paid more federal taxes than you earned in total last year. I’m not sure you want to get into a ‘… whose dick is bigger …“ argument with me.

Doubtful you know anything about taxes other than what you hear actual taxpayers say. Listen more closely next time skippy.

Secondly, the haughtiness of your post is offensive at least, arrogant at best, and definitely incredibly annoying.

I debate in the manner on which I'm engaged.

Now … we’ll try to talk like adults, won’t we? You’re going to put away your nasty little attitude and we’re going to discuss the issues rationally, aren’t we?

Go find me an adult and I can have an adult conversation.

“… taxes stoke the fires that warm the entire society …” Cute little turn of the phrase, but it is both ideologically and factually incorrect. Federal taxes are the monies removed from the economic engine in order to solidify the hold on power by the current structure. You’re aware, I assume, that 38% of every dollar received by the federal government does NOT go back into the economy. You DID know that, right? This money serves no function other to facilitate the grasp on power of the federal government. It doesn’t build roads, it doesn’t build schools, it doesn’t build anything – it is just consumed.

Your analogy that the people before kept the ‘fires burning’ is naïve. You’re aware, I assume, that we didn’t even HAVE an income tax until 1862, and, even then, it was eliminated in 1868. Income tax did not become a permanent reality until 1913. So, spare me the “you didn’t build that … “ nonsense.

As for your ‘telling’ dissertation about billionaires … here is what it tells you. It tells you that conservatives are basically, caring, compassionate people who recognize their responsibilities to their fellow man. It is also telling that those very same billionaires actively support conservatives for election. To equate their compassion with liberalism is a fool’s game. Why is it, pray tell, that conservatives have supported charitable causes more consistently than liberals?

You'd have to support that with facts; not just your jilted juvenile opinion.

As for the taxes not going for the greater good, chart for me--using all of your adult insight rofl America since 1913 and other nations that pay zero taxes. How is their economy? How many Nobel Prizes do they have in their trophy case? Any moon landings? Any patents for cutting edge discoveries? No? Gee, I wonder why.

To try to correlate opposition to abortion with the liberal regimentation of the American way of life is an insult to any thinking person.

So why are you insulted?

It is the continued liberal insistence that all problems should be solved by the government that has resulted in the centralization of power.

No, it's history repeating itself. You guys said you'd handle school integration and then we ended up with separate but equal. Now you guys say you can tell the women in your state what rights they have. Uh, no you can't.

When you take the bully pulpit away from a conservative, they scream that it's state's rights that are being taken away to try to give their 1800's stance some sort of glorious meaning. Nobody buys it. If you want to point to an insult of someone else's intelligence...that is it loser. It flies in the face of the the 1950s mentality so of course you oppose it. Basically conservatives hate the idea of women having sex for pleasure. I really can't explain the schism or why they think that way. Rick Santorum--the #2 delegate recipient in 2012 put it best, I suppose and it gives us a little insight into just how warped the conservative mindset is:

2. "One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country....Many of the Christian faith have said, well, that's okay, contraception is okay. It's not okay. It's a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be." —Rick Santorum, interview with CaffeinatedThoughts.com (October 2011)

--supposed to be-- that says it all.

Liberals have an inherent belief in the sanctity of their approach. They believe they are smarter than everybody else, and that the whole country should bow down in recognition of their inherent superiority. In order to facilitate this, they support programs that celebrate mediocrity, rather than those who support excellence. Whether it be our educational system, or their vaunted wealth inequality, it is their goal that all be rewarded equally, not necessarily in accordance with their ability or their contribution. The liberal mindset is based on the relativism of atheism – they believe that they are the most superior, and are capable of making decisions much better than those affected by those decisions.

Our education system penalizes high-performers, and rewards those who don’t perform.

This I agree with (the first part). Not sure of any rewards being handed out to those who don't perform...but it would be unusual for you to give examples.

Our welfare system penalizes those are successful, and rewards those who don’t perform.

The successful are usually not the target of welfare programs dumbass. As for "rewarding" those who don't perform, we reward a lot of people who are not performing:
Farm Bill 2014 It s Even Worse Than the Old Farm Bill The New Republic
Both major political parties willingly signed on to the part where we subsidize farmers billions of dollars but of course only the GOP raised a hue and cry when some poor folks were getting a tad bit more money on the back end--something like $9 a person if I recall.

The same thing happened after 9/11. Almost immediately the banks and the airlines were taken care of. And almost as instantly, those institutions laid off staff to capitalize on the windfall.

Our taxation system penalizes those who are successful, and rewards those who fail. Under the guise of ‘helping those who need help’, liberals have created a system that stifles ingenuity and hard work, and rewards those who stay in their place. Liberal programs have created a permanent underclass of poor – and have created programs to keep them there.

From USA Today:

1. United States

> Millionaire Households: 5,220,000
> Ultra High Net Worth Households: 2,692
> GDP (millions of USD): 14,657,800 (highest)

The United States has by far the largest amount of millionaire households, as well as ultra-high-net-worth-households. The U.S. is home to the largest economy in the world — almost three times the size of China's, the next biggest. There is also a growing income gap in the country. In 2009, the top 20% of earners, or those making $100,000 or more a year, made half of all income generated in the country, according to the US Census. The bottom 20% made only 3.4%.

You were saying?

Liberalism is having the ultimate in confidence that your nation, your neighbors, and it's institutions are for the most part good and for whatever the failings of the past (and those to happen in the future as well) the US is still the greatest nation on earth; bar none. Again, you make me laugh.

Your own leader swore to fundamentally change America. Liberals have made every effort to obliterate two pillars upon which America is built: personal responsibility and personal opportunity. Individualism dies a slow death on the skewer of liberalism.

The leftist philosophy of regimenting all business and personal decisions has virtually gutted the initiative and ingenuity of the US economy. When coupled with onerous taxes and catastrophic over-regulation, businesses are forced to move overseas or close.

If liberals had confidence in their neighbors, why do they feel it necessary to federalize all charitable programs? If liberals had confidence in our institutions, why do they feel it necessary to legislate their behavior?

Simply not true.

The Title X and XX funding is given to the States to be managed by the States. You can look it up if you don't believe me. Feel free.

What is true is the old adage that charity begins at home. In a market society, there are upswings and downturns. During downturns, less charity will be delivered to organizations. If the charity was in the business of helping you rig your yacht, it wouldn't be important. People are counting on aid in many cases so reliance upon the Baptist Church Pantry having full funding during a recession is a precarious position. Reliance upon school lunch programs being fully funded by uncle Sam through the States is more secure.