Confronting your history

[Tommy Tainant]

A famous writer called Lytton Strachey once wrote a book called "Eminent Victorians" in which he re-examined the lives of the great Victorian figures such as Florence Nightingale.He found that they fell well short of their mythical status and in some cases they were downright monsters .

Of course this approach to history was not welcomed and in most cases, the stereotypes exist till this day. The media, Hollywood et al like simple truths to feed to simple people and this nonsense is backed up in school curriculums where kids are force fed a series of not quite truths and bullshit.

This starts to be a problem when it feeds a moronic sense of exceptionalism amongst the uneducated.

So the "empire" saw britain conquer a grateful world to bring them God, railways and cricket. Those darkies must love us because we stopped them eating each other. Our inbuilt racist superiority is stroked.

So we learn about Africa and India but we dont learn about America cos we got beaten over there and it spoils the narrative. The attitudes fostered by this ignorance become enshrined in things like Brexit where we clearly didnt need the EU because we were brits and better than a load of greasy frogs and spics.

It also taught us to look down on our darker skinned neighbours because it was the natural way of things. A whole sense of entitled britishness has been built around something that is a lot more nuanced than the standard history books would tell you.

A lot of our current problems can be traced back to this.

I see the opposition to the 1619 project in similar terms.There are uncomfortable truths being spelt out and they challenge the cosy notions that the likes of Tom Cotton has grown up with. It seems that the American right must be enormously fragile that it cannot admit that there are inconsistencies in the narrative.

That a slave owning nation is not the "land of the free" That the aspiration and the reality were two different things. I suspect that you need to confront this in the same way that we need to examine the baggage of empire. Because we will never move on until we do so.

Tom Cottonâs war on the 1619 Project is the real 'cancel culture' | Malaika Jabali

Conservatives like Cotton prefer we avoid looking critically at America at all, and anyone that falls out of line must be cancelled

www.theguardian.com

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

All aboard !
White guilt trip Station is our next stop

Zzzzzzz

 

[Mac-7]

A famous writer called Lytton Strachey

Who?

Famous you say?

 

[Darkwind]

you sure do like to write fiction.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Three posters with nothing to say about the subject. I wonder why you bother to display your ignorance. Its like you revel in your right to not know.

 

[eagle1462010]

Three posters with nothing to say about the subject. I wonder why you bother to display your ignorance. Its like you revel in your right to not know.

Glad we threw your sorry asses out............Britain used to be the shit..........stood alone in WWII against Hitler............now they listen to idiots like you.........Social Justice Warriors saying WE SUCK just like the left here...........perhaps we can take the English whose Back bone hasn't been removed yet ....and trade you for these nutbag PROGS here.............

That would be swell.

 

[there4eyeM]

Yes, people have been people throughout history. The Sumerians, Israelites, Greeks, Romans, Chinese, Europeans, etc. have all repeated basic human exercises in excess. We have all failed to understand ourselves. The exception is that today we know so much more about physics, linguistics, psychology that the excuses are gone. It isn't that "whites" were or are worse than anyone else, simply no better.
There are two categories in two groupings that are important:
1) male and female
2) above and below average intelligence
These are what we need to address. The rest is all symptoms.

 

[fncceo]

we clearly didnt need the EU because we were brits and better than a load of greasy frogs and spics.

You may have a point.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Three posters with nothing to say about the subject. I wonder why you bother to display your ignorance. Its like you revel in your right to not know.

Glad we threw your sorry asses out............Britain used to be the shit..........stood alone in WWII against Hitler............now they listen to idiots like you.........Social Justice Warriors saying WE SUCK just like the left here...........perhaps we can take the English whose Back bone hasn't been removed yet ....and trade you for these nutbag PROGS here.............

That would be swell.

You really havent read my post.

 

[eagle1462010]

Three posters with nothing to say about the subject. I wonder why you bother to display your ignorance. Its like you revel in your right to not know.

Glad we threw your sorry asses out............Britain used to be the shit..........stood alone in WWII against Hitler............now they listen to idiots like you.........Social Justice Warriors saying WE SUCK just like the left here...........perhaps we can take the English whose Back bone hasn't been removed yet ....and trade you for these nutbag PROGS here.............

That would be swell.

You really havent read my post.

You are projecting HATE ..........White Guilt...........I don't have any........I never owned a slave......You didn't either..........and the blacks protesting kill their own at a higher rate than anyone else........but ignore it.

History is written by WINNERS and not losers...............We need to break their heads and end this current Social Warrior BS.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Three posters with nothing to say about the subject. I wonder why you bother to display your ignorance. Its like you revel in your right to not know.

Glad we threw your sorry asses out............Britain used to be the shit..........stood alone in WWII against Hitler............now they listen to idiots like you.........Social Justice Warriors saying WE SUCK just like the left here...........perhaps we can take the English whose Back bone hasn't been removed yet ....and trade you for these nutbag PROGS here.............

That would be swell.

You really havent read my post.

You are projecting HATE ..........White Guilt...........I don't have any........I never owned a slave......You didn't either..........and the blacks protesting kill their own at a higher rate than anyone else........but ignore it.

History is written by WINNERS and not losers...............We need to break their heads and end this current Social Warrior BS.

You seem intent on perpetuating lies. Why are you so afraid to accept the truth ?

 

[eagle1462010]

Three posters with nothing to say about the subject. I wonder why you bother to display your ignorance. Its like you revel in your right to not know.

Glad we threw your sorry asses out............Britain used to be the shit..........stood alone in WWII against Hitler............now they listen to idiots like you.........Social Justice Warriors saying WE SUCK just like the left here...........perhaps we can take the English whose Back bone hasn't been removed yet ....and trade you for these nutbag PROGS here.............

That would be swell.

You really havent read my post.

You are projecting HATE ..........White Guilt...........I don't have any........I never owned a slave......You didn't either..........and the blacks protesting kill their own at a higher rate than anyone else........but ignore it.

History is written by WINNERS and not losers...............We need to break their heads and end this current Social Warrior BS.

You seem intent on perpetuating lies. Why are you so afraid to accept the truth ?

You are a constant liar on these boards...........your purpose to stir the pot and create CHAOS and anger...........nothing more.............Your purpose now is to try to be COY and throw gas on the fire for the BLM nonsense.

 

[there4eyeM]

Look on the bright side! If it hadn't been the Brits doing all those stupid things, it could well have been even worse! It could be you phuked up phuking up.

 

[fncceo]

All societies tend to gild the lily of their histories to put a positive spin on their most distinguished sons and daughters. Not just Europeans (and those of us descended of from Europeans) but all societies.

Japanese History enshrined their national origins to heavenly intervention and didn't demote their Emperor from demi-god status until the mid 20th Century.

The Chinese word for China -- Chung Kuo -- literally means, nation at the heart of all others and they looked down on all nations (even that of Gordon) as inferior barbarians -- and idea that is still prominent in Chinese policies.

America refers to itself in song and history as "The Land of the Free" not because all men in it have always been free -- Blacks, Irish, and Asians can attest to the inaccuracy of that. It refers to itself that way because for most of the people seeking opportunities in the New World, it was a much more free society than the class and caste structures nations of Europe and elsewhere. A society that continuously evolves to embrace more freedoms.

Putting your Historical icons on a pedestal is a poetic license of course, but it very useful in setting a standard for others to attempt to follow in their footsteps, guided by their forward progress, and not distracted by their missteps.

Perhaps Ms Nightingale did look down on the fuzzy-wuzzies. One can hardly fault her with that considering the attitudes of the time. But, she did lay down many of the principles of modern nursing. Nursing that today is practiced in every country in the world by women and men of every race, creed, and color. Not because of the bad things she thought, but because of the good things she did.

You can say some really abysmal things about Gandhi. If you look closely, he was a bit of a bastard. So was Mother Theresa. But, we don't hold them up as examples of good because of their faults. We do so because of their many, many positive achievements.

If you degrade every name in History, every statue, every shrine to people who did a lot of good because, heaven forbid, they once didn't tip their servants, or held perfectly legitimate (from a contemporary perspective) opinions on unrelated subjects, then you remove all inspiration from their achievements.

Part of moving forward is acknowledging our mistakes. But, if we dwell on our mistakes to the point where we ignore the achievements, we make no progress at all.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

A famous writer called Lytton Strachey once wrote a book called "Eminent Victorians" in which he re-examined the lives of the great Victorian figures such as Florence Nightingale.He found that they fell well short of their mythical status and in some cases they were downright monsters .

Of course this approach to history was not welcomed and in most cases, the stereotypes exist till this day. The media, Hollywood et al like simple truths to feed to simple people and this nonsense is backed up in school curriculums where kids are force fed a series of not quite truths and bullshit.

This starts to be a problem when it feeds a moronic sense of exceptionalism amongst the uneducated.

So the "empire" saw britain conquer a grateful world to bring them God, railways and cricket. Those darkies must love us because we stopped them eating each other. Our inbuilt racist superiority is stroked.

So we learn about Africa and India but we dont learn about America cos we got beaten over there and it spoils the narrative. The attitudes fostered by this ignorance become enshrined in things like Brexit where we clearly didnt need the EU because we were brits and better than a load of greasy frogs and spics.

It also taught us to look down on our darker skinned neighbours because it was the natural way of things. A whole sense of entitled britishness has been built around something that is a lot more nuanced than the standard history books would tell you.

A lot of our current problems can be traced back to this.

I see the opposition to the 1619 project in similar terms.There are uncomfortable truths being spelt out and they challenge the cosy notions that the likes of Tom Cotton has grown up with. It seems that the American right must be enormously fragile that it cannot admit that there are inconsistencies in the narrative.

That a slave owning nation is not the "land of the free" That the aspiration and the reality were two different things. I suspect that you need to confront this in the same way that we need to examine the baggage of empire. Because we will never move on until we do so.

Tom Cottonâs war on the 1619 Project is the real 'cancel culture' | Malaika Jabali

Conservatives like Cotton prefer we avoid looking critically at America at all, and anyone that falls out of line must be cancelled

www.theguardian.com

Why the fuck are you still alive? If you are so "white guilt" then the only solution is..

Oh and by the way you Rag Head Camel Jockey lover, it was Great Britain who brought US the slaves of 1619. White, and Black...

 

[harmonica]

Three posters with nothing to say about the subject. I wonder why you bother to display your ignorance. Its like you revel in your right to not know.

blacks and Native Americans murdered/warred on/displaced/decimated/etc other tribes long before evil whitey came along...the NAs even TORTURED per cultural policy--even the kids participated
..so they did the same things as the whites

 

[Correll]

A famous writer called Lytton Strachey once wrote a book called "Eminent Victorians" in which he re-examined the lives of the great Victorian figures such as Florence Nightingale.He found that they fell well short of their mythical status and in some cases they were downright monsters .

Of course this approach to history was not welcomed and in most cases, the stereotypes exist till this day. The media, Hollywood et al like simple truths to feed to simple people and this nonsense is backed up in school curriculums where kids are force fed a series of not quite truths and bullshit.

This starts to be a problem when it feeds a moronic sense of exceptionalism amongst the uneducated.

So the "empire" saw britain conquer a grateful world to bring them God, railways and cricket. Those darkies must love us because we stopped them eating each other. Our inbuilt racist superiority is stroked.

So we learn about Africa and India but we dont learn about America cos we got beaten over there and it spoils the narrative. The attitudes fostered by this ignorance become enshrined in things like Brexit where we clearly didnt need the EU because we were brits and better than a load of greasy frogs and spics.

It also taught us to look down on our darker skinned neighbours because it was the natural way of things. A whole sense of entitled britishness has been built around something that is a lot more nuanced than the standard history books would tell you.

A lot of our current problems can be traced back to this.

I see the opposition to the 1619 project in similar terms.There are uncomfortable truths being spelt out and they challenge the cosy notions that the likes of Tom Cotton has grown up with. It seems that the American right must be enormously fragile tha
dt it cannot admit that there are inconsistencies in the narrative.

That a slave owning nation is not the "land of the free" That the aspiration and the reality were two different things. I suspect that you need to confront this in the same way that we need to examine the baggage of empire. Because we will never move on until we do so.

Tom Cottonâs war on the 1619 Project is the real 'cancel culture' | Malaika Jabali

Conservatives like Cotton prefer we avoid looking critically at America at all, and anyone that falls out of line must be cancelled

www.theguardian.com

deconstructionalism has been the standard since the freaking 70s. you are ignoring the fact that the process you are referring to have been going on for over 50 years.

you know, just deconstructing shit, is, wait for it, wait for it, not constructive.


the masses are not fed a sense of superiority. they are indoctrinated in the oppose, so that they feel shame about themselves and their culture and their "history".


which is part of the reason that your people in the uk, can't even argue against the invasion of your territory by hostile outsiders or, for one limited examiple, industrial scale rape rings that prey upon your white children.


you are a barbarian.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

All societies tend to gild the lily of their histories to put a positive spin on their most distinguished sons and daughters. Not just Europeans (and those of us descended of from Europeans) but all societies.

Japanese History enshrined their national origins to heavenly intervention and didn't demote their Emperor from demi-god status until the mid 20th Century.

The Chinese word for China -- Chung Kuo -- literally means, nation at the heart of all others and they looked down on all nations (even that of Gordon) as inferior barbarians -- and idea that is still prominent in Chinese policies.

America refers to itself in song and history as "The Land of the Free" not because all men in it have always been free -- Blacks, Irish, and Asians can attest to the inaccuracy of that. It refers to itself that way because for most of the people seeking opportunities in the New World, it was a much more free society than the class and caste structures nations of Europe and elsewhere. A society that continuously evolves to embrace more freedoms.

Putting your Historical icons on a pedestal is a poetic license of course, but it very useful in setting a standard for others to attempt to follow in their footsteps, guided by their forward progress, and not distracted by their missteps.

Perhaps Ms Nightingale did look down on the fuzzy-wuzzies. One can hardly fault her with that considering the attitudes of the time. But, she did lay down many of the principles of modern nursing. Nursing that today is practiced in every country in the world by women and men of every race, creed, and color. Not because of the bad things she thought, but because of the good things she did.

You can say some really abysmal things about Gandhi. If you look closely, he was a bit of a bastard. So was Mother Theresa. But, we don't hold them up as examples of good because of their faults. We do so because of their many, many positive achievements.

If you degrade every name in History, every statue, every shrine to people who did a lot of good because, heaven forbid, they once didn't tip their servants, or held perfectly legitimate (from a contemporary perspective) opinions on unrelated subjects, then you remove all inspiration from their achievements.

Part of moving forward is acknowledging our mistakes. But, if we dwell on our mistakes to the point where we ignore the achievements, we make no progress at all.

The issue here is that Cotton and his mates do not want to move forward. They want to glory in a past that didnt exist. I would agree with your interpretation of land of the freeand certainly the US was a shining light when compared to Russia for example. Why are folk so sensitive about the rest of it ? We have the same issue over her amongst the uneducated. They cant accept a past that is not black and white.

 

[Mikeoxenormous]

All societies tend to gild the lily of their histories to put a positive spin on their most distinguished sons and daughters. Not just Europeans (and those of us descended of from Europeans) but all societies.

Japanese History enshrined their national origins to heavenly intervention and didn't demote their Emperor from demi-god status until the mid 20th Century.

The Chinese word for China -- Chung Kuo -- literally means, nation at the heart of all others and they looked down on all nations (even that of Gordon) as inferior barbarians -- and idea that is still prominent in Chinese policies.

America refers to itself in song and history as "The Land of the Free" not because all men in it have always been free -- Blacks, Irish, and Asians can attest to the inaccuracy of that. It refers to itself that way because for most of the people seeking opportunities in the New World, it was a much more free society than the class and caste structures nations of Europe and elsewhere. A society that continuously evolves to embrace more freedoms.

Putting your Historical icons on a pedestal is a poetic license of course, but it very useful in setting a standard for others to attempt to follow in their footsteps, guided by their forward progress, and not distracted by their missteps.

Perhaps Ms Nightingale did look down on the fuzzy-wuzzies. One can hardly fault her with that considering the attitudes of the time. But, she did lay down many of the principles of modern nursing. Nursing that today is practiced in every country in the world by women and men of every race, creed, and color. Not because of the bad things she thought, but because of the good things she did.

You can say some really abysmal things about Gandhi. If you look closely, he was a bit of a bastard. So was Mother Theresa. But, we don't hold them up as examples of good because of their faults. We do so because of their many, many positive achievements.

If you degrade every name in History, every statue, every shrine to people who did a lot of good because, heaven forbid, they once didn't tip their servants, or held perfectly legitimate (from a contemporary perspective) opinions on unrelated subjects, then you remove all inspiration from their achievements.

Part of moving forward is acknowledging our mistakes. But, if we dwell on our mistakes to the point where we ignore the achievements, we make no progress at all.

The issue here is that Cotton and his mates do not want to move forward. They want to glory in a past that didnt exist. I would agree with your interpretation of land of the freeand certainly the US was a shining light when compared to Russia for example. Why are folk so sensitive about the rest of it ? We have the same issue over her amongst the uneducated. They cant accept a past that is not black and white.

Forward? To a New World Order? Do you think, you Muslim lover, that you are too gifted to be spared from the progressives plan?

NWO Plans To Depopulate The Earth

There are many means and methods of depopulation that are being employed today, the 3 primary of which include; unsustainable/exploitative international development, which leads to massive hunger, starvation and famine worldwide (at least 40 million deaths annually), the fomentation of war, hatred and military procurements throughout the nations leading to millions of deaths worldwide, and finally, the creation and spread of infectious diseases leading to global pandemic, plague and pestilence on an unprecedented scale.

 

[Street Juice]

A famous writer called Lytton Strachey once wrote a book called "Eminent Victorians" in which he re-examined the lives of the great Victorian figures such as Florence Nightingale.He found that they fell well short of their mythical status and in some cases they were downright monsters .

Of course this approach to history was not welcomed and in most cases, the stereotypes exist till this day. The media, Hollywood et al like simple truths to feed to simple people and this nonsense is backed up in school curriculums where kids are force fed a series of not quite truths and bullshit.

This starts to be a problem when it feeds a moronic sense of exceptionalism amongst the uneducated.

So the "empire" saw britain conquer a grateful world to bring them God, railways and cricket. Those darkies must love us because we stopped them eating each other. Our inbuilt racist superiority is stroked.

So we learn about Africa and India but we dont learn about America cos we got beaten over there and it spoils the narrative. The attitudes fostered by this ignorance become enshrined in things like Brexit where we clearly didnt need the EU because we were brits and better than a load of greasy frogs and spics.

It also taught us to look down on our darker skinned neighbours because it was the natural way of things. A whole sense of entitled britishness has been built around something that is a lot more nuanced than the standard history books would tell you.

A lot of our current problems can be traced back to this.

I see the opposition to the 1619 project in similar terms.There are uncomfortable truths being spelt out and they challenge the cosy notions that the likes of Tom Cotton has grown up with. It seems that the American right must be enormously fragile that it cannot admit that there are inconsistencies in the narrative.

That a slave owning nation is not the "land of the free" That the aspiration and the reality were two different things. I suspect that you need to confront this in the same way that we need to examine the baggage of empire. Because we will never move on until we do so.

Tom Cottonâs war on the 1619 Project is the real 'cancel culture' | Malaika Jabali

Conservatives like Cotton prefer we avoid looking critically at America at all, and anyone that falls out of line must be cancelled

www.theguardian.com

Why the fuck are you still alive? If you are so "white guilt" then the only solution is..

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Oh and by the way you Rag Head Camel Jockey lover, it was Great Britain who brought US the slaves of 1619. White, and Black...

Actually, I think it was a Portuguese ship. But who cares? The first persons on the planet to denounce slavery in moral terms were white Christians in Europe and North America even though slavery is condoned in the Bible. Tommy Tainted is like the worst kind of human.