Condemning Fascism

[boedicca]

YOu dont like my answer, so that makes me a liar in your eyes. You're pathetic.

^^^ Diagnosis: Terminal Projection and Chronic Halitosis ^^^

 

[sartre play]

No one wants to consider or give an inch, the fact that we will all lose if we don't stop thinking in absolutes, To many people are trapped in hate. Winning being better than useful solutions, solutions made possible by opened minded thinking. it has become very difficult to not buy into the hate.

 

[surada]

The ones who don't want blacks and hispanics to have Civil Rights are the leftists......they believe they need to be cared for, cradle to grave, by rich, white democrat leftists and their minority allies....

The DOJ right now is not independent....they are actually going after parents who go to school board meetings to oppose racism being taught to their children....... leftists, such as yourself, are the actual racists....which is why you fight so hard to segregate society by race....

What an assinine accusation. I mean really. How dumb can you get?

You want your children taught racism?

 

[Correll]

Conservatives do not support any form of socialism....either national socialism ( fascism) or international socialism (communism).

Socialism in either form is evil...and shouldn't be defended by rational people.

You sure you don't need to know what my personal definition of fascism is, and argue about the semantics of it, for a couple of days, before you rush to judgement?

 

[Correll]

Pretty much everyone condemns Fascism and Nazism.. Is it really an issue? Why are we tilting at windmills and accusing other Americans?

I'm holding up a mirror to see if righties behave the same as the lefties, in the other thread.


Do you personal condemn Fascism? Do you need to talk about what you think I think of fascism, before you make your call?

 

[Correll]

Liberals have condemned fascism since the beginning of the last Century; and liberals continue to oppose and condemn fascism today – as it manifests in Europe, South America, and the United States.

In fact, liberals and progressives are among the first victims of fascist regimes as they pose the greatest threat to fascist despots and dictators.

Blah, blah, blah, yes, sort of, as per the op. THis is a test of righties to see if they will condemn it, or defend it.


Aren't you curious?

 

[Leo123]

Joe Biden is acting like a Facist and a Communist. But then, both are really the same thing but dressed up differently.

 

[Correll]

Dems are not communist. Repubs are not facists. Just stop with this shit.

If true, then both will NOT defend those ideologies with deflection(s), evasion(s) or semantic games.


We can all just condemn them and realize that we are closer to each other than we realized and move on, and live happily ever after.


Check out the other thread, to see if your assumptions about lefties is borne out by their behavior.


How do you think the righties are doing on this thread?

 

[justinacolmena]

It's definitely a Corporatocracy-Government partnership. I'm not sure if what we have now is the government controlling corporations, or the corporations controlling the government. I am inclined towards the latter.

That's why the Bill of Rights is subject to incorporation and corporate personhood, and as such deemed by the courts inapplicable to the rights of actual individual human beings.

incorporation doctrine

www.law.cornell.edu

Incorporation | Bill of Rights Institute

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What is Incorporation? | Bill of Rights Institute Resources | Free Lesson Plans

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And as it turns out, corporations and states have rights, but human beings do not, by permanently established and irrevocable precedent of the Supreme Court.

 

[Correll]

Well righties are already arguing definitions..

BIg difference between condemning it, and discussing definitions and not condemning it because of supposed questions about definitions.

But yes, I was a little surprised by the talk of definitions. I will grant you that.

 

[john doe 101]

If true, then both will NOT defend those ideologies with deflection(s), evasion(s) or semantic games.


We can all just condemn them and realize that we are closer to each other than we realized and move on, and live happily ever after.


Check out the other thread, to see if your assumptions about lefties is borne out by their behavior.


How do you think the righties are doing on this thread?

I think there are a lot of dumb and/or mentally ill people on this board in general. LOL thinking this is some type of competition.

 

[Rigby5]

Conservatives do not support any form of socialism....either national socialism ( fascism) or international socialism (communism).

Socialism in either form is evil...and shouldn't be defended by rational people.

Wrong.
Everyone support socialism because it is always more efficient to do common projects, like roads, schools, etc.

But National Socialism is a declaration of being intensely "anti-socialist".
National Socialism was fascist, which was an adoption of the symbolism of the wealthy elite of ancient Rome.
It is a coalition of the aristocracy, military, and originally priesthood that got replaced by the technology priests, the corporates.
Ancient Rome was an Oligarchy, not democratic.

Socialism implies common equality, of democracy.
Fascism implies the totalitarianism of the wealthy elite.

Socialism and fascism are polar opposites.
Socialism is decentralized majority.
Fascism is centralized minority.

 

[Rigby5]

The OP makes the mistake of equating Fascism with Conservatism. This is false.

Fascism is on the same end of the totalitarian vs. liberty spectrum as Communism, Socialism, Dictatorship and all the other "isms" and "archies" in which individuals are slaves, serfs and de facto owned by the state.

Originally conservatism meant preserving the constitutional protections that prevent abuses of individual rights.
But as the frontier disappeared, individuals need more economic guarantees in order to survive and succeed in their pursuit of happiness.
So those who oppose laws preventing abusive monopolies, price gouging, unsafe work conditions, collective bargaining of unions, price controls, etc., are no longer conservative, but are oppressive and attempting to use economics to force people into losing their individual rights.

 

[Rigby5]

Communism has nothing to do with gay marriage and everything to do with a ubiquitous state.

Statutory marriage is an integral part of the ubiquitous State....In numerous Murican states, it's illegal for a church official to consecrate a marriage without a license (i.e permission) from The State.

Don't try 'splaining this to the homos, though....They think that their rights come from pieces of paper issued by bureaucrats.

Not really.
Communism has nothing to do with a ubiquitous state really.
Communism is where people collectively pool resource in order to create the means of production they need.
That does not preclude any individual creating any means of production they want.
It is just that when individuals start to impact others, they have to follow the rules that prevent abuses.

 

[Rigby5]

The Righties do not support and defend fascism, which essentially is gov't control of the economy and the country.

Many of them actually do, with their support of bailouts, corproprate welfare, etcetera.....What they profess from their mouths doesn't match up at all with their actions.

Wrong.
Fascism has always meant an authoritarian government, but one controlled by the wealthy elite.
Since the wealthy elite also tend to be industrialists and corporate owners, with fascism the gov't almost never controls the economy at all, in any way.
In fact, the hallmark of fascism is a total lack of any control over the economy or industry in any way.
Which quickly leads to monopolies, slave labor, etc.

 

[Rigby5]

American conservatives today are the exact opposite of fascists.....fascism is simply one type of socialism..the government control of the means of production.....

Wrong.
Fascism is an oligarchy, where the wealthy elite rule.
And since the wealthy elite gain their wealth through industry, they prevent any and all government control over the means of production.
Fascism means no laws to protect labor or customers from abusive marketing or other intimidation, like monopolies, price gouging, firing workers who complain about unsafe conditions, using forced labor, child labor, etc.
Fascism has always mean zero control over the means of production.

Go back to the only examples in existence, Ancient Rome, Mussolini's Italy, and Hitler's Germany.
You will find zero government control over anything the industrialist and aristocracy wanted to do.
The industrialists and aristocracy were the ones totally in charge, and front men like Hitler and Mussolini were just hired speech readers.
They had zero power in reality.

 

[Rigby5]

Nope. Because of the part you left out. The end game - "Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

But that's not the point. Those are actual stated goals from the Communist Manifesto. Communism has nothing to do with gay marriage and everything to do with a ubiquitous state. I'm essentially agreeing with you - the reasons Trumpsters call people "communist" have nothing to do with reality. It's just a pejorative, a shorthand for "not one of us". They use "nazi" and "fascist" in the same way.

Wrong.
The "communist manifesto" says "the state should wither away and die".
The foolish and idealistic belief was that once the corrupting influence of force was removed, that people would naturally share.
As foolish as that may be, it is what Karl Marx likely really did believe, and it is the exact opposite of a ubiquitous or coercive state.

 

[Rigby5]

No...they don't...cutting taxes is what you guys call bail outs.....

GM, Chrysler, and banks got cash bail outs.
I don't mind the car makers being bailed out since they paid it back, but we should have bailed out the home buyers, not the banks.
Cost the same, but prevents all the hardship of losing down payments, having to move, becoming renters, etc.

 

[Rigby5]

I'm holding up a mirror to see if righties behave the same as the lefties, in the other thread.


Do you personal condemn Fascism? Do you need to talk about what you think I think of fascism, before you make your call?

Fascism is not subjective.
It was defined by ancient Rome as an oligarchy of the aristocracy, military, and priesthood (now corporations), to deliberately suppress the majority.

Hitler and Mussolini did not change the definition at all, in anyway.

 

[Rigby5]

That's why the Bill of Rights is subject to incorporation and corporate personhood, and as such deemed by the courts inapplicable to the rights of actual individual human beings.

incorporation doctrine

www.law.cornell.edu

Incorporation | Bill of Rights Institute

billofrightsinstitute.org

What is Incorporation? | Bill of Rights Institute Resources | Free Lesson Plans

resources.billofrightsinstitute.org

And as it turns out, corporations and states have rights, but human beings do not, by permanently established and irrevocable precedent of the Supreme Court.

Whoa,
Lets not get incorporation and corporations confused, as they are totally separate concepts.

Originally the Constitution and Bill of Rights were really just restrictions on the federal government, and the defining of the few areas where the federal government was allowed jurisdiction.
The civil war brought up the 14th amendment, which then needed someone to enforce.
This then totally shifted the balance of power towards the federal government defining and protecting all individual rights.
That shift is called "incorporation", to imply that the Bill of Rights now also restrict the states and municipalities against abuse of individual rights.

But this judicial process of "incorporation" of the Bill of Rights to now also restrict states can cities, has nothing to do with corporations.
The only way these disparate concepts at all intersect, is over campaign finance.
The "Citizens United" court ruling claimed that there should be protection of anonymous political campaign donations through corporations.
The result would be for corporations to then start having rights, just like individuals.
Which is reprehensible to me, because it then allows corporations to launder foreign campaign contributions, which obviously should be illegal.