Condemning Fascism

[Rigby5]

Irrelevant crap. The point is, that right leaning people, have no problem condemning fascism, while you leftards do have a problem condemning communism.


Would you like to address that, or talk some more shit?

I am saying you don't know what fascism or communism is.
So whether you claim to condemn or support either one is irrelevant.

The reality is that the Romans defined fascism as a coalition of the wealthy elite, the aristocracy, military, and priesthood, and the only difference between them and modern Republicans is that the priesthood has been replaced by corporations.

As far as communism, there is not a single family that is not communist, so why would anyone want to condemn it?

 

[Colin norris]

This is sister thread to one started a bit ago, asking liberals to condemn communism. HEre I will take that thread's op, and just replace "liberals"

with the word "conservatives" and "communism" with "fascism". I am not specifying "nazism" because the other thread was a general question

and I want to give conservatives, just as much chance to get into the details of definitions as liberals have.


Here is the other op, adjusted.





Naturally, on a political discussion site, there is a lot of discussion about fascism. The pattern that I see over and over is condemnation of fascism

from lefties, and support and defense of fascism from righties. Why don't we see lefties condemning fascism? Even in this very thread, we will

see fascism trying to protect fascism with attempts to derail the thread instead of condemning fascism. Why don't fascism condemn it?

Fascism has never got traction in this country because of democracy. It it the left who maintain that.
Trump was the closest thing to a authoritarianist/fascist ever elected. His orchestration of the capitol riots proves he will go to any length and say anything to keep his corrupt dictatorship in tact.

That aside, it was republicans on the whole who vigorously supported everything he did, unquestioned and are yet to ackno selected the seriousness if that riot on democracy.
It all goes back to them being spoon fed the crap about election fraud and refusing to listen to facts because Lord trump was defeated democratically.

So let's not get hung up about liberals not demonizing fascism when clearly the GOP supporters wanted democracy replaced with it.

 

[MisterBeale]

So you have issues with assholes like Orban and Putin?

You forgot to mention President Xi Jinping and President Biden

 

[MisterBeale]

I am saying you don't know what fascism or communism is.
So whether you claim to condemn or support either one is irrelevant.

The reality is that the Romans defined fascism as a coalition of the wealthy elite, the aristocracy, military, and priesthood, and the only difference between them and modern Republicans is that the priesthood has been replaced by corporations.

As far as communism, there is not a single family that is not communist, so why would anyone want to condemn it?

I find it hilarious that you call out the GOP as fascist, but refuse to recognize, that the DNC is not much different. All modern American politicians are the same, no matter which party they belong to. If they are in D.C., they are fascists.


Either you are living in a fantasy world, and believing the lies of the corporate/fascist state, or you do not see, they are, essentially the same.

https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf

 

[Correll]

Fascism is intended to maintain privilege.
It is not supposed to be fair.
.....

That is nonsense. The most iconic fascists, the Nazis, were NOT based in nor allied with the "privileged" class of the German Aristocracy. Their base was the german working class.

You are a buffoon.

 

[Correll]

i don’t know a single Conservative that doesn’t hate National Socialism and their Fascist ideological views. The modern DNC embrace of it is troubling

Agreed. That is part of the point that I was making and made, with the support of the boards conservatives. We are not the mirror of the lefties. The idea that both sides are teh same, is bullshit.

 

[Correll]

Are you fucking BLIND or just STUPID. ANTI-FA is short for "anti-fascism". That's about as "leftist" as groups get and their sole purpose in life is to fight fascists/Republicans/Nazi's.

Republicans are the ones promoting NAZI symbolism and iconography at every turn. Nazi flags at the rallies. Nazi symbols on stage at the Republican convention. Nazi iconography in print ads.
.....

Yet, the Righties, when asked directly, as I have done in this thread, have been pretty clear in condemning fascism unlike the lefties in our "sister thread".

So, the conservatives/republicans of this board, seem to think that they are anti-Fascists.


The actions of your enemies are not fitting in with your expectations based on your views on them.


The obvious implication is, that your assumptions are wrong.


Would you like to address this contradiction between your beliefs and reality?

 

[Correll]

I am saying you don't know what fascism or communism is.
So whether you claim to condemn or support either one is irrelevant.

The reality is that the Romans defined fascism as a coalition of the wealthy elite, the aristocracy, military, and priesthood, and the only difference between them and modern Republicans is that the priesthood has been replaced by corporations.

As far as communism, there is not a single family that is not communist, so why would anyone want to condemn it?

Got it. Talk shit.

 

[Correll]

Fascism has never got traction in this country because of democracy. It it the left who maintain that.
Trump was the closest thing to a authoritarianist/fascist ever elected. His orchestration of the capitol riots proves he will go to any length and say anything to keep his corrupt dictatorship in tact.

That aside, it was republicans on the whole who vigorously supported everything he did, unquestioned and are yet to ackno selected the seriousness if that riot on democracy.
It all goes back to them being spoon fed the crap about election fraud and refusing to listen to facts because Lord trump was defeated democratically.

So let's not get hung up about liberals not demonizing fascism when clearly the GOP supporters wanted democracy replaced with it.

The responses from the conservatives in this thread have proven my point. Conservatives are happy to denounce fascism.

Your panic mongering, shit smearing... is just you trying to spam to distract from my point, which has been demonstrated.


Trump was NOT A GOOD LOSER OR A GOOD SPORT, not a "fascist", you retarded asshole.
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A real "fascist" would have armed that mob on 1/6 and held the capitol and forced Pence, at gun point to decertify the states in question. If Trump had done that, or something of a similar nature, your hysterical shit would be actually be...called for.

As it is, you are just full of shit.

 

[Soupnazi630]

I am saying you don't know what fascism or communism is.
So whether you claim to condemn or support either one is irrelevant.

I am saying you don't know what fascism or communism is.
So whether you claim to condemn or support either one is irrelevant.

The reality is that the Romans defined fascism as a coalition of the wealthy elite, the aristocracy, military, and priesthood, and the only difference between them and modern Republicans is that the priesthood has been replaced by corporations.

As far as communism, there is not a single family that is not communist, so why would anyone want to condemn it?

Families are not communist.

Communism is an ideology of mass slavery and tyranny

 

[Dragonlady]

Yet, the Righties, when asked directly, as I have done in this thread, have been pretty clear in condemning fascism unlike the lefties in our "sister thread".

So, the conservatives/republicans of this board, seem to think that they are anti-Fascists.


The actions of your enemies are not fitting in with your expectations based on your views on them.


The obvious implication is, that your assumptions are wrong.


Would you like to address this contradiction between your beliefs and reality?

You keep posting these bullshit threads as if they have any meaning asking liberals to condemn communism or fascism. You miss the point completely and you don't have any comprehension of the meaning of the words.

• You say the right condemns fascism, while still promoting fascist ideals and goals in every thread you post.
• You want to restrict voting to only those voters who vote for your side - that's a fascist goal.
• You are hyper patriotic - calling yourselves "real Americans". Hyper patriotism is a foundation of fascism.
• You want a white male government to run the country, regardless of how badly they've done thus far, and how much worse it's gotten under Republican white male rule.
• You call Anti-fa - short for Anti-Fascism, your enemy which is a very clear admission that you are pro-fascism.

 

[Soupnazi630]

You keep posting these bullshit threads as if they have any meaning asking liberals to condemn communism or fascism. You miss the point completely and you don't have any comprehension of the meaning of the words.

• You say the right condemns fascism, while still promoting fascist ideals and goals in every thread you post.
• You want to restrict voting to only those voters who vote for your side - that's a fascist goal.
• You are hyper patriotic - calling yourselves "real Americans". Hyper patriotism is a foundation of fascism.
• You want a white male government to run the country, regardless of how badly they've done thus far, and how much worse it's gotten under Republican white male rule.
• You call Anti-fa - short for Anti-Fascism, your enemy which is a very clear admission that you are pro-fascism.

No one is promoting any fascist ideas except ANTIFA

 

[Correll]

You keep posting these bullshit threads as if they have any meaning asking liberals to condemn communism or fascism. You miss the point completely and you don't have any comprehension of the meaning of the words.

THe fact that liberals have trouble condemning communism while conservatives have no problem condemning fascism, is a fact that has been demonstrated and it means something and is worthy of discussion. That you are having a hissy fit, is just you not liking the reality it exposes.

• You say the right condemns fascism, while still promoting fascist ideals and goals in every thread you post.

Irrelevant filler. You think that those you hate are bad people? What a shock. Truly. I am shocked. This is my shocked face.

• You want to restrict voting to only those voters who vote for your side - that's a fascist goal.

I want voter id. and people to vote ON ELECTION DAY, (barring real need). That is not wanting to restrict voting just to my side. YOu are a lying asshole.

• You are hyper patriotic - calling yourselves "real Americans". Hyper patriotism is a foundation of fascism.

We/I am Patriotic. The reason we call ourselves "real Americans" as opposed to you people, is because you are such anti-American assholes. A real hallmark of actual fascist hyper Nationalism, is revanchism, which we do not exhibit. You are a lying asshole. Pointing out that kneeling during the Anthem is anti-American ,is not hyperpatriotism, but just normal healthy patriotism. Did I mention that you were a lying asshole? Because you are one.

• You want a white male government to run the country, regardless of how badly they've done thus far, and how much worse it's gotten under Republican white male rule.

Incorrect. I have in the past supported Presidential candidates who were not white or not male. YOu are a lying asshole. That the one I support NOW, happens to be a white male, means very little to me. You are a lying asshole.

• You call Anti-fa - short for Anti-Fascism, your enemy which is a very clear admission that you are pro-fascism.

No, it's not. Even if they were actually anti-fascist, which is debatable, does not mean that I would be fascist. IMO, they are a violent marxist and anti-American terrorist organization. Opposing them is something any Patriotic American should do. YOu are a lying asshole.


IN summary, you are a lying asshole.

 

[Dragonlady]

No one is promoting any fascist ideas except ANTIFA

Oh really:

Fascism is defined as:

often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

Which aspect of fascism do you disagree with?

THe fact that liberals have trouble condemning communism while conservatives have no problem condemning fascism, is a fact that has been demonstrated and it means something and is worthy of discussion. That you are having a hissy fit, is just you not liking the reality it exposes.



Irrelevant filler. You think that those you hate are bad people? What a shock. Truly. I am shocked. This is my shocked face.



I want voter id. and people to vote ON ELECTION DAY, (barring real need). That is not wanting to restrict voting just to my side. YOu are a lying asshole.




We/I am Patriotic. The reason we call ourselves "real Americans" as opposed to you people, is because you are such anti-American assholes. A real hallmark of actual fascist hyper Nationalism, is revanchism, which we do not exhibit. You are a lying asshole. Pointing out that kneeling during the Anthem is anti-American ,is not hyperpatriotism, but just normal healthy patriotism. Did I mention that you were a lying asshole? Because you are one.



Incorrect. I have in the past supported Presidential candidates who were not white or not male. YOu are a lying asshole. That the one I support NOW, happens to be a white male, means very little to me. You are a lying asshole.


No, it's not. Even if they were actually anti-fascist, which is debatable, does not mean that I would be fascist. IMO, they are a violent marxist and anti-American terrorist organization. Opposing them is something any Patriotic American should do. YOu are a lying asshole.


IN summary, you are a lying asshole.

In summary, you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground. And calling everyone who points out the inconsistencies in your purported beliefs, a "liar" simply proves my point. You're projecting your own basic dishonesty onto others. Not only that, your first instinct is to fling insults at my response.

• I'm not the one having a "hissy fit" here. I'm simply pointing out the inconsistencies in your positions. You seem to be very triggered that liberals are refusing to play your little reindeer games.
• I don't "hate" other people. Not even those who disagree with me. The insults you fling at others say more about YOU that the object of your derision. Hating liberals has no impact on us whatsoever, but it seems to have turned YOU into an angry bitter person.
• The only anti-American assholes I see are Donald Trump and his Cult. He hates everything about America. He says America is NOT a great country. He's going to make it a great country, so obviously he thinks it's not "great" now.
• Since there is no way of telling who you voted for, that's an easy claim for you to make, whether true or not. As for your constant claims that I'm the one who is lying here, those who accuse others of lying, are almost always liars themselves. And with Republicans, they are always claiming others are lying, when they are the most dishonest people there are. You sir, display an open and barefaced lack of candor or honesty.
• Donald Trump personifies revanchism and so does the Republican Party. Look at the ways they've gone after Hillary Clinton and the Democrats. 30 years of investigations against the Clintons - not a single charge produced. They're still investigating Fast and Furious - not a single charge produced. The Dunham Investigation - investigating the investigators - one minor charge produced having NOTHING to do with the principles.
• Your restrictions on voting go far beyond having people vote on the day, with ID. The restrictions being passed are reducing polling place in poor neighbourhoods. More than 1000 polling stations have been closed in low income districts in red states since 2016. Red states are reducing hours and days on which to cast ballots - all of which disenfranchises low income, hourly rated voters and favours those who can vote during business hours - high income voters, and business owners.
• Since your only rebuttable to my post seems to be that I'm a lying asshole, what you have just proven is that you have nothing, but insults and abuse.

You ask for liberals to comment on your thread, for what purpose? So you can insult them and call them liars for demonstrating in spades that you're a fucking hypocrite with nothing to offer the American people but the hate, lies, and destruction of a Trump Presidency.

 

[Colin norris]

The responses from the conservatives in this thread have proven my point. Conservatives are happy to denounce fascism.

Your panic mongering, shit smearing... is just you trying to spam to distract from my point, which has been demonstrated.


Trump was NOT A GOOD LOSER OR A GOOD SPORT, not a "fascist", you retarded asshole.
.


A real "fascist" would have armed that mob on 1/6 and held the capitol and forced Pence, at gun point to decertify the states in question. If Trump had done that, or something of a similar nature, your hysterical shit would be actually be...called for.

As it is, you are just full of shit.

Only ignorant recalcitrant republicans believe he wasn't a fascist. The rest of the world do.

He was behind the riots and you know it.
Why are you protecting him? You'll never have to suck up to him again.
You'd be better suited in North Korea.

 

[Rigby5]

I find it hilarious that you call out the GOP as fascist, but refuse to recognize, that the DNC is not much different. All modern American politicians are the same, no matter which party they belong to. If they are in D.C., they are fascists.


Either you are living in a fantasy world, and believing the lies of the corporate/fascist state, or you do not see, they are, essentially the same.

https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/files/gilens_and_page_2014_-testing_theories_of_american_politics.doc.pdf

I never called the GOP fascist or that the DNC was not.
I actually agree, that both parties are pretty much corrupt and the wealthy elite control them both.
The bi-partisan support for the illegal invasion of Iraq over stealing oil, makes that pretty obvious.
Same with the bi-partisan support for no public health are as well.
I think the parties likely are fake and the public are being swindled by DC full of con men.

 

[Colin norris]

I never called the GOP fascist or that the DNC was not.
I actually agree, that both parties are pretty much corrupt and the wealthy elite control them both.
The bi-partisan support for the illegal invasion of Iraq over stealing oil, makes that pretty obvious.
Same with the bi-partisan support for no public health are as well.
I think the parties likely are fake and the public are being swindled by DC full of con men.

How coincidental all that happened when Biden was appointed. Do you expect me to believe your feeble excuses. Piss off.

 

[Rigby5]

That is nonsense. The most iconic fascists, the Nazis, were NOT based in nor allied with the "privileged" class of the German Aristocracy. Their base was the german working class.

You are a buffoon.

Nonsense.
Hitler worked his way up to becoming noticed through the populist SA, but why did he have the whole SA killed in the "Night of the Long Knives"?
When Hitler was appointed Chancellor by Hindenburg, it was not to support populism.
He was selected by the wealthy elite, and he totally turned his back on the populists, the SA.
The whole German military, the industrialists who used slave labor, etc., were all the wealthy elite.
The was nothing at all populist about the Nazis once the SS replaced the SA.
The only similarity is that the Nazis used nationalist propaganda to whip up popular support for wars, but that is racism more than class struggle.

 

[Rigby5]

Families are not communist.

Communism is an ideology of mass slavery and tyranny

Not according to any communists.
Communism is the exact opposite of mass slavery and tyranny accord to communists like Marx or the Israeli kibbutzim that claim to be communists.
The only motive for slavery or tyranny is profits, and the communists proclaim to be against profits, and instead want to emphasis individual rights.
Communism is the closest anyone has ever come to the individual rights of populism.
The only limitations is how it could be implemented on a large scale, since the mechanism of empathy won't work then.

 

[Rigby5]

No one is promoting any fascist ideas except ANTIFA

Having unfair tax laws, lack of public health care, etc., are fascist.
Fascism is giving an unfair advantage or power to the wealthy elite, over the poor majority.
Such as union busting, monopolies, control over media propaganda, etc.
For example, we would not have invaded Iraq or have a war on drugs if not for lies from the wealthy elite controlling us.