Has Fascism come to America?

As usual, the problem here is one of definition. MAGA has their own definitions for words, and so trying to carry on a conversation is all but pointless. In fairness, sometimes it's possible in real life.

I knew it was over a while back when I saw them calling Democrats both Nazis and commies, two ideologies that are clearly not the same.

But from the father of Fascism:

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Ummm, dear. Democrats have been hurling the “ Hitler” slogan for years.
 
You are right, it's not happening yet, except to your Democratic Party. It's quite entertaining especially on the extreme Left where the "Squad" has been kicked to the sideline by the non-stop yakking of Jasmine Crockett. :laugh:
It has started on your side now too. MTG dissing Donald. I never would've figured that. I think Elmo and Ted Cruz are engaged in battle now. GOP Senators shooting down the "big, beautiful bill."
 
Why yes. It has. MAGA!

Seriously though, I never thought I would see this.


Source: What Is Fascism?

Many experts agree that fascism is a mass political movement that emphasizes extreme nationalism, militarism, and the supremacy of the nation over the individual. This model of government stands in contrast to liberal democracies that support individual rights, competitive elections, and political dissent.

In many ways, fascist regimes are revolutionary in nature. They advocate for the overthrow of existing systems of government and the persecution of political enemies. However, such regimes are also highly conservative in their championing of traditional values.

And although fascist leaders typically claim to support the everyman, in reality, their regimes often align with powerful business interests.



Sound familiar? It should.

Existing forms of government are being overthrown through the destruction of our institutions with the Executive usurping powers traditionally given to Congress and openly defying the courts when checked.

Note the last line: aligned with powerful business interests: Musk (who is raking in millions in government contracts), Bezos, Zuckerberg.


Characteristics of Facism:

Extreme Nationalism - check.

Fascist leaders believe in the supremacy of certain groups of people based on characteristics such as race, religion, ethnicity, and nationality.


Cult of personality - check.

Fascist regimes cultivate images of their leaders as great figures to be loved and admired. This cult of personality is often perpetuated through mass media and propaganda. …The Pope chalked up Il Duce’s survival of assassination attempts to divine intervention, adding to Mussolini’s mystique.


How did Fascists come to power? This is interesting, because it tracks what has actually been happening.

“It wasn’t overnight. History laid the groundwork – a pattern of liberal decay.

First, fascist parties gained a foothold in government through initially democratic means. However, over time, the party consolidated power, and ultimately secured their dictatorship.”


Note: Trump is seeking ways for a 3rd term and a Congressman is creating a bill to create a path to a 3rd term that only applies to Trump’s situation.

Yes it has! Have you looked in the mirror? What you see staring back at you, says it all!
 



Not at all.

There is no confusion.

The “restructuring “ as you put it, is completely unaccountable, rife with corruption, and in many of it’s actions, unconstitutional and/or infringing on the constitutional powers given to Congress. This “restructuring” has deliberately dismantled the independent watchdog entities, removed protections and transparency, abolished rules that help enforce ethics and accountability.

Without all that, it’s preposterous to claim it is “working for the people”.


No, it isn’t, that is why I didn’t rely on only that one thing to make my argument.



That is a joke right?

Authoritarianism and suppression of dissent: deliberately overriding the judicial branch, usurping Congressional powers, using the DoJ to go after free media, law firms, NGO’s and individuals who have criticized Trump, supported his opponents, or played any role in holding his administration accountable.

Suppression of dissent: going after protesters exercising their rights to peaceful protests, kidnapping and disappearing people off the street (masked agents in plain clothes, refusing to identify themselves) and incarcerating them without charges or access to lawyers, friends or relatives. Some, for no more reason than critical social media posts.

Don’t pretend the Biden administration came anywhere close to this, that is frankly delusional thinking.
You're delusional , where were you when old women protesting abortion clinics were arrested and put in prison . Where were you when pastors had their houses stormed by armed FBI agents in armered vehicles in front of children ? where were you when they rounded up every person who even had any remote connection to January 6th .. threw them in prison without due process, without seeing their family for months, solitary confinement for years... Where were you when laws were change specifically to get one person and local prosecutors were conspiring with the White House to go after a former president? Where were you when traditional catholic church masses were being surveilled by the justice department? you're a joke you and your selective outrage is a joke.. .. where were you in parents lost the right to raise their own children and not be taught the transgender b*******? the president has the right to cut waste and fraud in the federal government, and to let go federal workers who were milking the system... Thousands of federal workers never even showed up for work and had jobs outside of the government while paid by the government... Taxpayer money was being funneled to outside groups to push the leftist agenda......You're pathetic with your fake outrage 🙄
 
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They've gone full talk radio. Watching Hegseth talk is like watching a hardcore podcast. That actually goes for several of them.

We've obviously had some ideological White Houses, but this one is in a league of its own. Aggressive and punitive.
I don't know I think maybe you get off on transgenders in the military , it might be a thing for you.... Or maybe you like giving billions of dollars weapons to the Taliban maybe maybe you like starting wars the cost is $200 billion dollars and probably up to a million lives combined maybe get off on that too... you idiot...Friken tool 🙄
 
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You're delusional , where were you when old women protesting abortion clinics were arrested and put in prison .
They were put in prison solely because they were protesting? Do tell. Who were all these old women??

Where were you when your anti-choice groups were bombing clinics and murdering doctors?



Where were you when pastors had their houses stormed by armed FBI agents with vehicles in front of children ?

Like these?


Or this guy?

This is a good example of MAGA false equivalency. Should the FBI have done that? Probably not. But this is one guy. A screw up vs a policy. FBI has problem with this sort of stuff.
where were you when they rounded up every person who even had any remote connection to January 6th .. through them in prison without due process without seeing their family for months solitary confinement for years...
woah…let’s unpack this basket of lies. First, everyone of those who broke into the Capitol, assaulted police, vandalized and stole, and attempted to overturn the election that day deserved to be arrested, period. Don’t even attempt to justify it.

Lie #1 Every one them had due process. Everyone of them had access to legal help. None of them had the DoJ going after the law firms who represented them. Most were were charged, and let go either on bail or personal recognizance.The vast majority were only charged with misdeamenors. In fact, those who did spend time in jail had far more privileges than the run of the mill inmate incarcerated there. The few who did not get bail were held because they were considered a flight risk or a danger.

Those who were charged with more serious crimes or were considered a flight risk, spent pre-trial time in jail. LIKE ANY CRIMINAL.

Now solitary confinement, that is different. I unequivocally oppose the use of solitary confinement for any one. (Interesting you suddenly care about it for the J6 rioters when it didn’t matter before). So that is a legitimate gripe.

It is nothing compared to what is happening now to people who have committed NO crime beyond immigration status or expressing their right of free speech.



Where were you when laws were change specifically to get one person and local prosecutors were conspiring with the White House to go after a former president?
What specific law was changed?

Where were you when traditional catholic church masses were being surveilled by the justice department?

Where were you when mosques were being surveilled? Oh wait…you approved of it then.

That said, this is not new nor unique: ACLU Launches Nationwide Effort to Expose Illegal FBI Spying on Political and Religious Groups | American Civil Liberties Union

Where have YOU been?

you're a joke you and your selective outrage is a joke.. .

:lmao:

. what were you in parents lost the right to raise their own children and not be taught the transgender b*******?
Umm….you mean like when Texas went after parents of transgender children and threatened to charge them with child abuse? Really, your selective outrage is humerous.

(Jroc quote) the president has the right to cut waste and fraud in the federal government, and to let go federal workers who were milking the system... Thousands of federal workers never even showed up for work and had jobs outside of the government while paid by the government... Taxpayer money was being funneled to outside groups to push the leftist agenda......You're pathetic with your fake outrage 🙄(end Jroc quote).

Of course they are supposed to go after waste and fraud, but they aren’t supposed to be lining their own pockets at the same time.
 
They were put in prison solely because they were protesting? Do tell. Who were all these old women??

Where were you when your anti-choice groups were bombing clinics and murdering doctors?





Like these?


Or this guy?

This is a good example of MAGA false equivalency. Should the FBI have done that? Probably not. But this is one guy. A screw up vs a policy. FBI has problem with this sort of stuff.

woah…let’s unpack this basket of lies. First, everyone of those who broke into the Capitol, assaulted police, vandalized and stole, and attempted to overturn the election that day deserved to be arrested, period. Don’t even attempt to justify it.

Lie #1 Every one them had due process. Everyone of them had access to legal help. None of them had the DoJ going after the law firms who represented them. Most were were charged, and let go either on bail or personal recognizance.The vast majority were only charged with misdeamenors. In fact, those who did spend time in jail had far more privileges than the run of the mill inmate incarcerated there. The few who did not get bail were held because they were considered a flight risk or a danger.

Those who were charged with more serious crimes or were considered a flight risk, spent pre-trial time in jail. LIKE ANY CRIMINAL.

Now solitary confinement, that is different. I unequivocally oppose the use of solitary confinement for any one. (Interesting you suddenly care about it for the J6 rioters when it didn’t matter before). So that is a legitimate gripe.

It is nothing compared to what is happening now to people who have committed NO crime beyond immigration status or expressing their right of free speech.




What specific law was changed?



Where were you when mosques were being surveilled? Oh wait…you approved of it then.

That said, this is not new nor unique: ACLU Launches Nationwide Effort to Expose Illegal FBI Spying on Political and Religious Groups | American Civil Liberties Union

Where have YOU been?



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Umm….you mean like when Texas went after parents of transgender children and threatened to charge them with child abuse? Really, your selective outrage is humerous.

(Jroc quote) the president has the right to cut waste and fraud in the federal government, and to let go federal workers who were milking the system... Thousands of federal workers never even showed up for work and had jobs outside of the government while paid by the government... Taxpayer money was being funneled to outside groups to push the leftist agenda......You're pathetic with your fake outrage 🙄(end Jroc quote).

Of course they are supposed to go after waste and fraud, but they aren’t supposed to be lining their own pockets at the same time.
First of all try answering a complete thought with one complete thought instead of breaking it down into little pieces because you can't process anything more than one paragraph at a time.. anybody who mutilates their children gives them drugs that will change their ,life forever before they're even 18 needs to be prosecuted for child abuse you pathetic fool







January 6th people had their homes raided for misdemeanors instead of just being asked to come in willingly the same thing that happened with Trump political allies and Trump himself had his home raided by the corrupt FBI first time in history that's ever been done...youre full of s*** you've always been a Muslim terrorist lover on this board
Joe biden forced people to get the vaccine they forced children to get it who didn't need it . Conspirerd with the drug companies to censer information that was against their experimental vaccine

 
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They were put in prison solely because they were protesting? Do tell. Who were all these old women??

Where were you when your anti-choice groups were bombing clinics and murdering doctors?





Like these?


Or this guy?

This is a good example of MAGA false equivalency. Should the FBI have done that? Probably not. But this is one guy. A screw up vs a policy. FBI has problem with this sort of stuff.

woah…let’s unpack this basket of lies. First, everyone of those who broke into the Capitol, assaulted police, vandalized and stole, and attempted to overturn the election that day deserved to be arrested, period. Don’t even attempt to justify it.

Lie #1 Every one them had due process. Everyone of them had access to legal help. None of them had the DoJ going after the law firms who represented them. Most were were charged, and let go either on bail or personal recognizance.The vast majority were only charged with misdeamenors. In fact, those who did spend time in jail had far more privileges than the run of the mill inmate incarcerated there. The few who did not get bail were held because they were considered a flight risk or a danger.

Those who were charged with more serious crimes or were considered a flight risk, spent pre-trial time in jail. LIKE ANY CRIMINAL.

Now solitary confinement, that is different. I unequivocally oppose the use of solitary confinement for any one. (Interesting you suddenly care about it for the J6 rioters when it didn’t matter before). So that is a legitimate gripe.

It is nothing compared to what is happening now to people who have committed NO crime beyond immigration status or expressing their right of free speech.




What specific law was changed?



Where were you when mosques were being surveilled? Oh wait…you approved of it then.

That said, this is not new nor unique: ACLU Launches Nationwide Effort to Expose Illegal FBI Spying on Political and Religious Groups | American Civil Liberties Union

Where have YOU been?



:lmao:


Umm….you mean like when Texas went after parents of transgender children and threatened to charge them with child abuse? Really, your selective outrage is humerous.

(Jroc quote) the president has the right to cut waste and fraud in the federal government, and to let go federal workers who were milking the system... Thousands of federal workers never even showed up for work and had jobs outside of the government while paid by the government... Taxpayer money was being funneled to outside groups to push the leftist agenda......You're pathetic with your fake outrage 🙄(end Jroc quote).

Of course they are supposed to go after waste and fraud, but they aren’t supposed to be lining their own pockets at the same time.
One more point neither Trump or Elon Musk need corrupt political money. they were rich before they ever did anything in politics.. unlike establishment scum. Nancy Pelosi ,chuck Schumer, Maxine Waters, Mitch McConnell, Pocahontas and the rest of the establishments scum
 
They've gone full talk radio. Watching Hegseth talk is like watching a hardcore podcast. That actually goes for several of them.

We've obviously had some ideological White Houses, but this one is in a league of its own. Aggressive and punitive.
I don't know I think maybe you get off on transgenders in the military , it might be a thing for you.... Or maybe you like giving billions of dollars weapons to the Taliban maybe maybe you like starting wars the cost is $200 billion dollars and probably up to a million lives combined maybe get off on that too... you idiot...Friken tool 🙄
I know that you, a Trumpster, won't understand this, but your post has nothing to do with mine. Mine is method, yours is issue.

It happens so often with you people, that I even address it in the first line of my sig.

Go grunt at someone else, thanks.
 
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