Zone1 Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?

[alang1216]

Why would you reply to a topic that you are unqualified to answer?

So you believe that the crucifixion was not an historical event? Curious.

 

[rstrats]

So you believe that the crucifixion was not an historical event? Curious.

That is an issue for a different topic. You could start a new topic if you want to discuss it.

 

[Meriweather]

That is an issue for a different topic. You could start a new topic if you want to discuss it.

As opposed to this question which you have been posting at many religion forums for at least ten years. You have been given some great responses, all of which you have ignored. I am sure there is an earlier thread in this forum as well.

 

[rstrats]

You have been given some great responses, all of which you have ignored.

I haven't ignored them, I've dismissed them. With the possible exception of the Esther account, and that is assuming "three days, night and day" is the same as "three days and three nights", no one has yet provided examples - plural- to support the idea of commonality.

 

[ding]

All true. It is also true that the within a generation the vast majority of Christians were pagan converts.

And your point is what? Because I think you have to have line of sight of the authors to make the point you are trying to make. The way you are making it is very sloppy and unconvincing. And then there's the history of the early Christians and apostles which offer independent corroboration of the account of Christ. So really your point - if valid - is a distinction without a difference.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

So you believe that the crucifixion was not an historical event? Curious.

Why THAT crucifixion?

This form of execution was commonplace during the Roman Empire era.

Crucifixions on the Appian Way

The Crucifixions on the Appian Way was an infamous event which took place during the end of the Third Servile War, following the final battle between the rebel leader Spartacus and Marcus Licinius Crassus. It took place around May, 71 BC. Crassus had captured around 6,000 rebels from his victory...

roman-cinematic-universe.fandom.com

 

[ding]

Why THAT crucifixion?

This form of execution was commonplace during the Roman Empire era.

Crucifixions on the Appian Way

The Crucifixions on the Appian Way was an infamous event which took place during the end of the Third Servile War, following the final battle between the rebel leader Spartacus and Marcus Licinius Crassus. It took place around May, 71 BC. Crassus had captured around 6,000 rebels from his victory...

roman-cinematic-universe.fandom.com

I think what alan was implying was that since it was a historical event he was qualified to comment.

 

[ding]

no one has yet provided examples - plural- to support the idea of commonality.

I did. In those times three days was a commonly used time to wait to confirm death. So all they were really trying to say was that they waited long enough to confirm death. The exact number of days is meaningless. It's like trying to use the lineage timeline in Genesis to arrive at the age of the earth or universe. It's meaningless and a waste of time.

 

[Ace Nova]

See Matthew 12:40.

NIGHT 1	DAY 1	NIGHT 2	DAY 2	NIGHT 3	DAY 3
Night	Day	Night	Day	Night	Day
FRI starts at sundown on Thursday	FRI ends at sundown	SAT starts at sundown on Friday	SAT ends at sundown	SUN starts at sundown on Saturday	SUN ends at sundown

In Esther 4:16, we find Esther exhorting Mordecai to persuade the Jews to fast. “Neither eat nor drink for three days, night or day” (NKJV). This was clearly in preparation for her highly risky attempt to see the king. Yet just two verses later, in Esther 5:1, we read: “Now it happened on the third day that Esther put on her royal robes and stood in the inner court of the king’s palace.” If three days and nights were counted in the same way as we count them today, then Esther could not have seen the king until the fourth day. This is completely analogous to the situation with Jesus’s crucifixion and resurrection.

For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth (Matthew 12:40; NKJV).

Now after the Sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb (Matthew 28:1; NKJV).

Then, as they were afraid and bowed their faces to the earth, they said to them, “Why do you seek the living among the dead? He is not here, but is risen! Remember how He spoke to you when He was still in Galilee, saying, ‘The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again’” (Luke 24:5–7; NKJV).

If the three days and nights were counted the way we count them, then Jesus would have to rise on the fourth day. But, by comparing these passages, we can see that in the minds of people in Bible times, “the third day” is equivalent to “after three days.”

In fact, the way they counted was this: part of a day would be counted as one day. The previous table, reproduced from the Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry (CARM) website, shows how the counting works.

Contradictions: Three Days and Nights

If Jesus was to be in the grave three days and nights, how do we fit those between Good Friday and Easter Sunday?

answersingenesis.org

 

[rstrats]

I did.

I don't see where you've provided actual examples which show that it was common to say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could be.

 

[ding]

I don't see where you've provided actual examples which show that it was common to say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could be.

My point was that it was common to say "three days" to signify that someone was dead.

 

[rstrats]

My point was that it was common to say "three days" to signify that someone was dead.

Agree. But that has nothing to do with the issue of this topic.

 

[ding]

Agree. But that has nothing to do with the issue of this topic.

It does when you are trying to use it for something it's not suited for.

 

[alang1216]

And your point is what? Because I think you have to have line of sight of the authors to make the point you are trying to make. The way you are making it is very sloppy and unconvincing.

I really had no point beyond a bit of historical trivia.

And then there's the history of the early Christians and apostles which offer independent corroboration of the account of Christ. So really your point - if valid - is a distinction without a difference.

No point but that fact that Jews didn't become Christians is a major difference in the history of the West. If Jews converted in great numbers, pagans might not have and Christianity would be a minor Jewish sect, not the major religion it has become.

 

[alang1216]

Why THAT crucifixion?

This form of execution was commonplace during the Roman Empire era.

How many victims of crucifixion can you name?

 

[ShahdagMountains]

How many victims of crucifixion can you name?

I’ll figure it out, and get back to you.

 

[ding]

I really had no point beyond a bit of historical trivia.


No point but that fact that Jews didn't become Christians is a major difference in the history of the West. If Jews converted in great numbers, pagans might not have and Christianity would be a minor Jewish sect, not the major religion it has become.

That's a fair point. Actually that's a quite important point.

 

[rstrats]

It does when you are trying to use it for something it's not suited for.

I don't understand. Could you elaborate?

 

[LibertyKid]

No point but that fact that Jews didn't become Christians is a major difference in the history of the West. If Jews converted in great numbers, pagans might not have and Christianity would be a minor Jewish sect, not the major religion it has become.

As Ding said, interesting point. IMO, the Romanization of Christianity was terrible for Christianity. However, had Christianity taken off in the Jewish world, what would it look like today, and what would the world look like?

I suspect you are right that if Christianity grew within the Jewish ranks, they would have hoarded the gospel, just like they hoarded 'god' and were essentially isolationists in their belief system.

 

[rstrats]

If I may break in to all these off topic comments for a moment, perhaps someone new looking in may know of examples.