Zone1 Common Figure of Speech/Colloquial Language?

[LibertyKid]

If I may break in to all these off topic comments for a moment, perhaps someone new looking in may know of examples.

What is it that you're trying to discover or prove that hasn't already been stated?

 

[rstrats]

Why would you reply to a topic that you are unqualified to answer?

Read post #1. No one has of yet stated, i.e., provided actual examples which show that it was common to say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.

 

[alang1216]

As Ding said, interesting point. IMO, the Romanization of Christianity was terrible for Christianity. However, had Christianity taken off in the Jewish world, what would it look like today, and what would the world look like?

I suspect you are right that if Christianity grew within the Jewish ranks, they would have hoarded the gospel, just like they hoarded 'god' and were essentially isolationists in their belief system.

The Middle East and Europe would probably be Muslim with a small number of Jews and Jewish Christians in isolated pockets.

 

[rstrats]

What is it that you're trying to discover or prove that hasn't already been stated?

Read post #1. No one has of yet stated, i.e., provided actual examples which show that it was common to say that a daytime or a night time would be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.

 

[rstrats]

Post #42 should be deleted. I don't know why it was directed to

alang1216.​

 

[hobelim]

The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth".

A reference Jesus made about Jonah who spent three days "in the belly of the beast".

Jesus spent thirty years, three days, "in the heart of the earth", as dead as Moses was for half his life, tempted by the devil in the wilderness, (outside the jurisdiction of Jewish law), while living among the wild beasts (the Romans) presumably doing what Romans do in the wilderness.

And then left the whitewashed tomb, a comparison he made to pharisaic beliefs and practices.

And then ascended into heaven, little by little, day by day, until he was crucified, and rose again, appearing to his friends in dreams which convinced them he was righteous and survived death.

 

[rstrats]

A reference Jesus made about Jonah who spent three days "in the belly of the beast".

Jesus spent thirty years, three days, "in the heart of the earth", as dead as Moses was for half his life, tempted by the devil in the wilderness, (outside the jurisdiction of Jewish law), while living among the wild beasts (the Romans) presumably doing what Romans do in the wilderness.

And then left the whitewashed tomb, a comparison he made to pharisaic beliefs and practices.

And then ascended into heaven, little by little, day by day, until he was crucified, and rose again, appearing to his friends in dreams which convinced them he was righteous and survived death.

Those are issues for a different topic. Maybe you could start one.

 

[Captain Caveman]

How many victims of crucifixion can you name?

Two, Jesus and Joan of Arc



ShahdagMountains

 

[rstrats]

Since it's been a while, maybe someone new visiting this topic may know of examples.

 

[ding]

1. The Messiah said that He would be three days and three nights in the "heart of the earth".

2. There are some who think that the crucifixion took place on the 6th day of the week with the resurrection taking place on the 1st day of the week.

3. And of those, there are some who think that the "heart of the earth" is referring to the tomb or at the earliest to the moment when His spirit left His body).

4. However, a 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection allows for only 2 nights to be involved.

5. To account for the lack of a 3rd night, there may be some of those mentioned above who try to explain the lack of a 3rd night by saying that the Messiah was using common figure of speech/colloquial language.

6. I'm simply curious if anyone who may fall in the above group of believers might provide examples to support the belief of commonality; i.e., instances where a daytime or a night time was forecast or said to be involved with an event when no part of a daytime or no part of a night time could have occurred.

You are exactly correct. Back in those days "three days" was considered enough time to ensure they were really dead. It's like saying it rained for 40 days and 40 nights. It's not the number of days that is important. It's conveying that it rained for an unusual amount of time that was important.

 

[rstrats]

You are exactly correct. Back in those days "three days" was considered enough time to ensure they were really dead.

That would be an issue for a different topic.

It's like saying it rained for 40 days and 40 nights. It's not the number of days that is important. It's conveying that it rained for an unusual amount of time that was important.

Any particular reason for thinking that the time wasn't 40 days and 40 nights?

 

[ding]

That would be an issue for a different topic.

Any particular reason for thinking that the time wasn't 40 days and 40 nights?

Yes, I don't read the first 11 chapters of Genesis literally. These were ancient accounts that had been passed down orally from generation to generation for thousands of years before being recorded in writing. These were allegorical accounts of historical events and other important wisdoms they deemed worthy of passing down. They used embellishment and wove in moral messages to make the accounts more memorable so that they would be easier to remember and pass down.

 

[hobelim]

Why would you reply to a topic that you are unqualified to answer?

What difference does it make what day Jesus was crucified? If there are flaws in your accounting of three days because Jesus made a reference to Jonah which has nothing to do with Jonah dying, then that should inspire you to look for a different meaning about what Jesus meant by comparing himself to being in "the belly of the beast" for "three days", a term that has nothing to do with being swallowed by a big fish or biological death.

Jesus spent "three decades" in "the belly of the beast" before he was baptized by John, as a token of repentance for the forgiveness of sins, the wages of which are "death", and "heaven opened up to him" and he ascended, in full view of friends and enemies alike, little by little, day by day, until was "taken up" a euphemism for being killed.

Apparently you are still in the belly of the beast. Maybe one day you will be freed from your confusion. Maybe not. Not to worry! The disciples uploaded malware directly into the belly of the scarlet beast to make her die in agony. Everyone who had been swallowed by this foul beast will be transformed once they realize what they have been mixed up in, if they rise from their filthy graves and ascend to meet Jesus in the clouds, whatever the cost.

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"The belly of the beast" is an idiom that generally means being in the midst of a very bad or dangerous situation, or in the central, vital part of an organization or system. It can also refer to being deeply involved in something, like an important role in a complex organization. The phrase often evokes images of power, danger, and a struggle for survival.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• Dangerous or Difficult Situation:
  The most common interpretation is being trapped in the middle of a crisis or a place of great danger, like behind enemy lines or inside a central command center during a war.
  
  
• Central Role in an Organization:
  It can also describe the core or main location where significant activities of an organization are carried out. For example, someone might be in the "belly of the beast" of a political party if they're a local chairperson.
  
  
• • Deeply Involved:
    Being deeply involved in something, even if it's not necessarily dangerous, can also be described as being in the "belly of the beast".
  • Symbolic Meaning:
    The phrase also has some symbolic meanings, particularly related to the Bible story of Jonah being swallowed by a whale. This can symbolize being in a difficult situation, but also being rescued or transformed.
  • Origin:
    The phrase is thought to have come from the Bible story of Jonah being swallowed by a big fish.

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NOW YOU KNOW.

What then?

 

[ding]

Christians who wrote the NT were likely pagan converts

Most of the authors were Jewish. They were not converted from "paganism" in the way we understand the term today. The term "paganism" is a broad label encompassing diverse religious practices and is used to describe non-Jewish and non-Christian religions.

 

[ding]

What difference does it make what day Jesus was crucified? If there are flaws in your accounting of three days because Jesus made a reference to Jonah which has nothing to do with Jonah dying, then that should inspire you to look for a different meaning about what Jesus meant by comparing himself to being in "the belly of the beast" for "three days", a term that has nothing to do with being swallowed by a big fish or biological death.

Jesus spent "three decades" in "the belly of the beast" before he was baptized by John, as a token of repentance for the forgiveness of sins, the wages of which are "death", and "heaven opened up to him" and he ascended, in full view of friends and enemies alike, little by little, day by day, until was "taken up" a euphemism for being killed.

Apparently you are still in the belly of the beast. Maybe one day you will be freed from your confusion. Maybe not. Not to worry! The disciples uploaded malware directly into the belly of the scarlet beast to make her die in agony. Everyone who had been swallowed by this foul beast will be transformed once they realize what they have been mixed up in, if they rise from their filthy graves and ascend to meet Jesus in the clouds, whatever the cost.

________________________________________________________________________________________________

"The belly of the beast" is an idiom that generally means being in the midst of a very bad or dangerous situation, or in the central, vital part of an organization or system. It can also refer to being deeply involved in something, like an important role in a complex organization. The phrase often evokes images of power, danger, and a struggle for survival.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:

• Dangerous or Difficult Situation:
  The most common interpretation is being trapped in the middle of a crisis or a place of great danger, like behind enemy lines or inside a central command center during a war.
  
  
• Central Role in an Organization:
  It can also describe the core or main location where significant activities of an organization are carried out. For example, someone might be in the "belly of the beast" of a political party if they're a local chairperson.
  
  
• • Deeply Involved:
    Being deeply involved in something, even if it's not necessarily dangerous, can also be described as being in the "belly of the beast".
  • Symbolic Meaning:
    The phrase also has some symbolic meanings, particularly related to the Bible story of Jonah being swallowed by a whale. This can symbolize being in a difficult situation, but also being rescued or transformed.
  • Origin:
    The phrase is thought to have come from the Bible story of Jonah being swallowed by a big fish.

_______________________________________________________________________________________________

NOW YOU KNOW.

What then?

That's quite an imagination you have.

 

[hobelim]

That's quite an imagination you have.

Yeah yeah, that's what they all say. But at least my highly developed imaginative faculty is restrained by reality. Unlike you who "believes" a trinity impregnated a 14year old virgin to become Jesus who controlled the weather, controlled matter, taught people to eat a cracker for spiritual life, abolished divine law, popped into and out of locked rooms after he died, etc., etc. ad nauseam.

 

[ding]

Yeah yeah, that's what they all say. But at least my highly developed imaginative faculty is restrained by reality.

Unlike you who "believes" Jesus controlled the weather, popped into and out of locked rooms after he died, etc.

You misspelled hatred.

 

[hobelim]

You misspelled hatred.

No, I spelled actor and lying fraud perfectly.

 

[alang1216]

Most of the authors were Jewish. They were not converted from "paganism" in the way we understand the term today. The term "paganism" is a broad label encompassing diverse religious practices and is used to describe non-Jewish and non-Christian religions.

You'd be more convincing if we actually knew who wrote the Gospels. We only know about Paul for sure.

It is generally accepted by scholars that Jews didn't convert in large numbers, if not for Paul and his followers, Christianity would be a minor Jewish sect if it survived at all.

 

[ding]

You'd be more convincing if we actually knew who wrote the Gospels. We only know about Paul for sure.

It is generally accepted by scholars that Jews didn't convert in large numbers, if not for Paul and his followers, Christianity would be a minor Jewish sect if it survived at all.

Am I trying to convince you? Or am I stating the basis for my beliefs? Because if my reasons for my beliefs were as you stated them to be, I wouldn't hold those beliefs. So I can see why you don't believe the same as I do. The problem is your reasons are flat out wrong.

The number of Jews who worshipped Jesus as God is irrelevant. What matters is the first Christians were Jews and they were witnesses to the miracles performed by Christ that are detailed in the 24,000 written manuscripts AND THEY WORSHIPPED JESUS AS GOD BECAUSE OF WHAT THEY SAW WITH THEIR OWN EYES. They were the ones who established that belief and the traditions that are still honored today. It is their actions - which were recorded by non-Christian historians, coupled with the Babylonian Talmud recording that Jesus was put to death for sorcery and inciting Israel to apostasy that work in tandem with the 24,000 written manuscripts. It all makes sense. Your conspiracy theory does not make sense in the slightest.