So much work to justify bigotry....
So if he has a right to be a bigot and break Public Accommodation laws, then I have a right to ignore murder laws and sacrifice people to Quetzalcoatl.
So let's be clear. If he was saying, "I'm not going to serve gays because I hate the gay stuff, has nothing to do with religion."
Not much of one. Halal is a very specific set of rules for food preparation. Compared to wedding cakes, which appear NOWHERE in the Bible and are in fact a Roman Pagan fertility right.
Except the cake isn't used in the ceremony, it's used in the reception.
His business doesn't have a COTUS set of rights. It's a business, not a person.
Why not?
Frankly, he's already baking a PAGAN cake.
Okay, here's my evidence... that he is going though this much trouble to deny gay people services. That he's trying very hard to strike down sensible laws protecting them.
I mean, I really, really hate Mormons, but I wouldn't deny them service and wouldn't spend millions trying to best them in court.
Right, he's a hateful bigot.
I think it was a case by case basis. In this case, the trucker needs special permits to haul alcohol. Please let me know if you can find another contrived scenario for your Islamophobia.
He spent hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to deny dignity and services to gay people. That's a lot of hate. Shit, I wouldn't go through that much trouble to not take someone's money.
I have plenty of room for you to practice your bronze age superstitions. You can practice them in your homes and houses of worship to your hearts content.
Once you put out a shingle offering certain services, your business, which is a legal entity, has absolutely no "freedom of religion" because businesses aren't people and don't have an irrational fear of death and a need to give up their decisions to moralistic nitwits.
It’s not bigotry to adhere to your religious beliefs. Have you ever heard Phillips say that he hates gay people? Ever? He believes gay marriage is a sin and therefore he cannot be a part of that sin by lending his talents to help someone else commit a sin. The left can’t seem to get past the idea that if someone refuses a gay person, it must be hate….not everything is about hate, and not everyone hates gay people…
So if he has a right to be a bigot and break Public Accommodation laws, then I have a right to ignore murder laws and sacrifice people to Quetzalcoatl.
He didn’t break PA laws, he exercised his cotus rights. I’m sorry, no law can force you to give up you cotus protected freedoms.
And no, you still can’t sacrifice people, unless they grant you the right to do so. You can’t force someone else to participate in your religion.
If he was saying, "I'm not going to serve gays because I hate the gay stuff, has nothing to do with religion."
If he said that, then I’d be more inclined to agree, but he didn’t say that.
Not much of one. Halal is a very specific set of rules for food preparation. Compared to wedding cakes, which appear NOWHERE in the Bible and are in fact a Roman Pagan fertility right.
It doesn’t matter, your trying to make a point that PA laws supersede religious freedoms, so that means I should be able to walk into any business and force them to violate their religious beliefs, right?
And once again, this whole thing is not about a cake….it’s about Phillips feeling that him doing a service specifically for a gay wedding would be akin to him helping someone else commit a sin, just like the Muslim truckers wouldn’t haul alcohol because Islam believes that them transporting alcohol is helping someone else commit a sin.
Except the cake isn't used in the ceremony, it's used in the reception.
Which is still a part of the celebration.
Except the cake isn't used in the ceremony, it's used in the reception.
And his business offered to sell them any cake he had already made, but he himself would not use his labor to work for a gay wedding.
Why not?
Frankly, he's already baking a PAGAN cake.
So, where does it say you can’t have a cake for your wedding, and nobody would expect him to do a satanic wedding.
Okay, here's my evidence... that he is going though this much trouble to deny gay people services. That he's trying very hard to strike down sensible laws protecting them.
I mean, I really, really hate Mormons, but I wouldn't deny them service and wouldn't spend millions trying to best them in court.
He is only going through this trouble because people keep suing him. What, you think he’s just supposed to give up trying to defend his constitutional rights??
He is also not denying gay people for being gay, he already stated he would do business with them, just not do specific labor for a gay wedding..
Good, I would hope you wouldn’t deny them, cause as far as I’m aware, the Bible doesn’t preach against Mormons. Also, why do you hate them?
Right, he's a hateful bigot.
No, not at all, he’s just observing his faith. Also, prove that he did anything out of hate….again, the left is fixated on this idea that if you deny a gay person, that it has to be hate, so, I ask again, prove it was hate, show me his history of hateful rhetoric towards gay people, show me anywhere where he said he won’t serve gay people because he hates them.
I think it was a case by case basis. In this case, the trucker needs special permits to haul alcohol. Please let me know if you can find another contrived scenario for your Islamophobia.
I already said take any other business…and it’s not contrived, it to make a point.
What Islamophobia? At what point have I said anything against Muslims. What, because I bring them up as an example of how people wouldn’t expect them to surrender their religious rights, but they do for Christian’s? This is one of the major problems with the left, that if you disagree with them on something, they immediately start throwing out baseless accusations
You’ve also called me homophobic…based on what evidence? Because I’m defending someone who’s being attacked for their religious rights? I personally don’t care who someone dates and marries, I just can’t stand the lefts barrage of attacks against someone just because they ruffled their feathers, which is what you all do…piss off a leftist…and they try to ruin you…and you all call yourselves the party of tolerance…only if they agree to all your demands…
He spent hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to deny dignity and services to gay people. That's a lot of hate. Shit, I wouldn't go through that much trouble to not take someone's money.
No, he spent hundreds of thousands of dollars defending his cotus rights from leftist attacks and court cases…something he should not have to do. The fact that he IS spending that money should tell you how convicted he is to his religious rights. If this was only about hate against gay people, he would have given in long ago, rather than spend all this money, if it wasn’t about religious freedom and only about hate.
I mean, like you said, who would go through that much trouble, spend all that money, if this was just about hatred, I mean, if he had no religious conviction, why spend a hundred grand in defense, when you could just do the service and save that money..especially since, as of yet, we have no evidence that he ever refused gay people for any other reason before…
You can practice them in your homes and houses of worship to your hearts content.
Ahh, so if you’re religious, just keep your cotus protected rights behind closed doors….ok then…then maybe gay people should also keep their rights behind closed doors..I mean, why can a gay person be gay openly, but a religious person has to be religious silently?
Once you put out a shingle offering certain services, your business, which is a legal entity, has absolutely no "freedom of religion" because businesses aren't people and don't have an irrational fear of death and a need to give up their decisions to moralistic nitwits.
Incorrect, starting a business doesn’t mean you have to give up your rights, his business offered to sell cakes to gay people, he’ll, I think he even eluded to the fact that he would even bake cakes for gay people..for birthdays and other stuff, just not for weddings. In either case, his business said it will do business with gay people, but he himself, cannot be forced to give up his cotus rights, no matter what law, or what business he operates.
Look, just admit, you hate Christian’s, and you think religious freedom is wrong, as you’ve stated several times, “the superstitious…” whatever….you don’t believe in other peoples rights, just your own. You don’t think people who disagree with your world view are deserving of rights…just bow down to your whims, because nobody else’s rights matter …
Fortunately, our founding fathers saw it differently.
