CNN Poll of Polls: McCain's convention bounce gone

[Modbert]

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Alright members of the GOP, all "tied up" once again.

So much for it being over.

"It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." - Winston Churchill

 

[Ninja]

Well golly gee Robbie, what happened to Obama's bounce?



RCP has McCain up in the electoral college. White women are switching to McCain in droves. Independents are switching to McCain in droves. Swing states and (what were thougt to be) SOLID BLUE states are swinging towards McCain. Cluck about CNN's average all you want, but when MN, WI, and PA are within the MOE and McCain's within 5 points in New fricken' Jersey - Libtard Central - it ain't looking good your precious little Messiah

By the way, do you have any friends or hobbies? Go watch Power Rangers or something.

 

[sealybobo]

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Alright members of the GOP, all "tied up" once again.

So much for it being over.

"It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." - Winston Churchill

Palin's favorable unfavorable rating went down 10 pts since saturday.

She lied about her teleprompter not working when it worked fine.

These people are just sleezy.

 

[Modbert]

Well golly gee Robbie, what happened to Obama's bounce?



RCP has McCain up in the electoral college. White women are switching to McCain in droves. Independents are switching to McCain in droves. Swing states and (what were thougt to be) SOLID BLUE states are swinging towards McCain. Cluck about CNN's average all you want, but when MN, WI, and PA are within the MOE and McCain's within 5 points in New fricken' Jersey - Libtard Central - it ain't looking good your precious little Messiah

By the way, do you have any friends or hobbies? Go watch Power Rangers or something.

Obama's bounce got equaled out by the McCain Bounce.

RCP has McCain up in the electoral college but that doesn't mean he is ahead in the polls. All that stuff your throwing out there doesn't matter until November 4th. Then we'll see who is right.

I have both friends and hobbies thank you.

Power Rangers though? Cute but no thanks.

 

[CrimsonWhite]

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Before the convention he was 3 points down. Now he is 1.3 points up. Looks like it is still dead even and I wasn't a math major or anything, but that is still a positive bounce. It has tailed, but not disappeared.

 

[Chris]

McCain and Palin can't hide from the people forever.

Sooner or later the will have to answer questions unscripted.

Of course McCain's answer to every question will be a noun, a verb, and "POW."

How could someone claim to be ready to be the most powerful person in the world, when they are too afraid to answer a question from the Columbus Post Dispatch?

 

[frazzledgear]

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Alright members of the GOP, all "tied up" once again.

So much for it being over.

"It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning." - Winston Churchill

Wishful thinking. I hope you don't believe that is true just because the national polls show McCain with an overall smaller lead over Obama than before. Because what is happening in the most important states is a totally different story. National polls don't count for squat because the election is decided by electoral votes.

For the first time, McCain exceeds Obama in the number of firm electoral votes -227 to 207. Worse yet there are now way too many states that were once for Obama are now toss-ups, states that were toss-ups are now leaning for McCain, states that were leaning McCain are now firmly McCain. None that have gone the other way. And that shift that started at McCain's convention hasn't slowed down at all. Doesn't look good for Obama and he knows it -which is why he is doing something unusual. He's now using a teleprompter at town hall meetings where he is supposed to be answering "impromptu" questions from the audience but is obviously reading from a telepromter in response to a plant's "question" and even using a teleprompter at his campaign rallies. This was reported by CNN. He obviously believes he NEEDS to in order to avoid another misstep, slip of the tongue or major gaffe - because he just can't afford one.

The number of states left that in combination can give Obama that magic number of 270 electoral votes is slipping away. McCain has only increased his lead in Ohio, is ahead by 7 points in Florida -Obama isn't going to win either of those. Without losing any other states firmly in his column right now -Obama was already in an "either-or" situation where he had to either win Pennsylvania -OR win all three Colorado, Nevada and New Mexico. At that time, if Obama were to lose Pennsylvania and any one of those three western states, he loses. But even that has now changed. And he is down to his only possible combination left in order to win -and even that one is looking dimmer too.

On Sept. 9th, Obama led in Pennsylvania by 3 points. Now McCain and Obama are in a dead tie there. In Colorado Obama led McCain by 4 points just 4 days ago. Now its a dead tie as well. While Obama led in Nevada by 5 points in August, McCain leads there by 2 now -pulling away from the dead tie it was just a few days ago. Obama led in New Mexico by 13 points in August. McCain now leads by there by 3.

Obama's new reality is that Pennsylvania is a dead tie -and he is likely going to lose 2 of those 3 western states. In the meantime, McCain is looking to increasing his numbers in Pennsylvania, firming up his lead in those western states -and hopes to also flip Iowa away from Obama as well. Iowa has moved from firm Obama to leaning towards Obama. So it isn't McCain scrambling to hold on to states that have been in his column all along. Its Obama.

Democrats all know Obama is in serious trouble -you can hear it from all the Democrats who once declared McCain's campaign efforts to be useless since he was "dead in the water". And unlike a lot of people here, they know the real story is in the state-by-state analysis, not national polls. No candidate wants to have to spend precious time and money trying to shore up support in states he thought he already had a lock on that are now slipping away. There are only 48 days to the election -and Obama has already played his best hand.

If hoping for a September "surprise" from the investigation of Palin's firing of a state commissioner supposedly for not firing that trooper -don't hold your breath. Not only is there heavy documentation in the form of emails FROM that commissioner repeatedly showing outright insubordination on more than a dozen issues and holding secret meetings behind her back -commissioners serve at the pleasure of the governor. She doesn't even need a reason to fire him at all. One of those executive powers for which the other two branches of government have no say. He keeps his job only as long as the governor is pleased with his work. But she had plenty of evidence from this guy's own emails showing exactly why she fired him and that the trooper issue was just one of dozens of reasons. Not THE reason.

This one won't do Democrats any good. Unless they want to start an argument about how governors shouldn't be allowed to fire commissioners even though they serve at the pleasure of a governor -and how they should get to keep their job even while being blatantly insubordinate and attempting to sabotage a governor. Like most other things Democrats consider to be "outrageous" if a Republican does it, they will suddenly change their mind about any Democrat governor or President who appoints a commissioner or department head and then fires and replaces him for similar reasons. LOL

In the meantime, the trooper wasn't fired and only received a 5 day suspension -for tazing his 13 yr.old stepson and after he was caught redhanded drinking and driving in his patrol car while on duty. Not the kind of trooper I want running around my state -but then I'm not a Democrat who finds that worthy of defense in the first place.

 

[Chris]

How long are McCain and Palin going to hide from the press?

 

[jreeves]

McCain and Palin can't hide from the people forever.

Sooner or later the will have to answer questions unscripted.

Of course McCain's answer to every question will be a noun, a verb, and "POW."

How could someone claim to be ready to be the most powerful person in the world, when they are too afraid to answer a question from the Columbus Post Dispatch?

When...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gexyfVpFMU&feature=related]YouTube - Obama 2004: I can't see running for president[/ame]

 

[CrimsonWhite]

How long are McCain and Palin going to hide from the press?

As log as they need too. Why would they come out? They don't need to. The media is wrapped around Tina Fey glasses, Troopers that are no longer employed in Alaska, and whether or not the Obama campiagn is sexist. They don't need to say anything, everyone is watching the wrong hand.

 

[jillian]

As log as they need too. Why would they come out? They don't need to. The media is wrapped around Tina Fey glasses, Troopers that are no longer employed in Alaska, and whether or not the Obama campiagn is sexist. They don't need to say anything, everyone is watching the wrong hand.

The turn of events on the economic front may well have changed that...

which hand do *you*think everyone should be watching?

or maybe... the bloom is off of the pitbull??

Palin seems to have lost some of her luster. Since Sept. 13, Palin's unfavorables have climbed from 30 percent to 36 percent. Meanwhile, her favorables have slipped from 52 percent to 48 percent. That's a three-day net swing of -10 points, and it leaves her in the Sept. 15 Diageo/Hotline tracking poll tied for the smallest favorability split (+12)** of any of the Final Four. Over the course of a single weekend, in other words, Palin went from being the most popular White House hopeful to the least.

Stumper : Palin's Favorability Ratings Begin to Falter

I figure that might mean nothing... or it might mean everything. Time will tell, eh?

 

[editec]

As log as they need too. Why would they come out? They don't need to. The media is wrapped around Tina Fey glasses, Troopers that are no longer employed in Alaska, and whether or not the Obama campiagn is sexist. They don't need to say anything, everyone is watching the wrong hand.

YES!

Our economic system is facing a threat in solvency not seen since Oct 1929. It is seriously that threatening, folks.

Real reporters would hold the candidates feet to the fire asking them one question after the other about what they would do to fix this problem.

They would not allow themselves to be distracted by minor issues.

Real investigative journalists would not allow the candidates to answer with vague generalities. They would demand to hear what these guys are thinking about the greatest threat one of them is going to deal with come Jan 2009.

I hereby declare our media officially useless.

The media, particualrly the mainstream media is downplaying the problem.

Downplaying the problem is a real nice way of saying lieing to us, you know? They're telling us fairy tales...some of them might be stupid enough to believe them, of course, but that only means that the media seeks out stupid people rather than hiring people suited to the job of being honest journalists.

Now, why are the masters of the media lieing to us?

Why do they allow the people seeking the highest office in the land, to skate on addressing thess issues about our economy?

Because that is the role of our media in this shamocratic depublic, that's why.

Their job is pour oil on the troubled waters of public opinion so that the people in charge can get along with their agenda of bankrupting the government and the middle class without having inform the sheeple anything REAL.

So you people taking your queues from that media just keep fiddling here while Rome burns, because you are letting the tool media frame the discussion for you.

Some of us really DO think abortion is the most important issue facing this nation, don't we?

Some of us really do think your presious right to bear arms is the most important issue facing this land, don't we?

That's mostly how effective propaganda works, you know.

Not by foisting a lie, but by misdirection.

The questions that should be asked are never on the agenda.

The issues that will effect us all, are buried in the finance pages and the crises downplayed and the unwashed public goes along with the sham because we don't know any better.

How could we? WE've grow up in a society which has been lieing to us our whole damned lives!

Here's the thing the media mostly doesn't want the American people to think about

Nobody in charge really knows what in hell to do.

Save a bank, let it go down? They don't know.

They really don't know how to fix the economic mess they've allowed to develop on behalf of about 1/10th of 1% of the population.


Now there ARE long term solutions to be had, but they require dramtic changes in how we do government and how we do business, and folks, the people in charge are not about to do those things happen because if they did, they would all lose power and control they've been gathering for the last fourty years.

PLUS, the pain that Americans will have to endure while the house of cards fall and the dust finally settles is just not something any Poltician is going to tell the people they're about to allow to let happen.

They have SO set up the system on behalf of the monied class, that they are about to kill the middle class, and while they actually do seem to understand that that is killing our economy, they can't bring themselves to do anything real about it because if they did, they'd bite the hands that feed them.

How can the most productive society on the face of the earth be BROKE?

The capital is in too few hands. This would be one of the problems with income inequity libertraians, just in case you STILL don't get it.

It is invested off shore because FREE TRADE made offshore the place to invest it.

It is in tax shelters and tax dodges, and it is not circulating in THIS economy where it NEEDS to be in order to have a healthy economy.

Shades of 1929, huh?

Income inequity is exactly the same state of affairs that happened to bring us that great depression, too, you know?

Now the questions are, do we elect another Herbert (the economy is basically sound) Hoover?; or do we hope that Obama is the next FDR?

Here's something to think about...

The government had almost no national debt in 1929.

It could (and did when FDR got into office) BORROW enough money to mitigate the pain of the working class. It put unemployed people to work! It gave income to the aged so they could EAT. It started massive public works programs to improve the infrastruture AND put people to WORK!

Now that didn't solve the depression, but it helped the people and the nation while the system corrected itself.

It saved capitalism, folks.

I don't think we can do that this time.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Yup, Obama has a solution. He will raise taxes on Corporation and Business already struggling and he will create a windfall tax to steal their profits by appealing to mob mentality.

Great plan that.

His solution for the stock market? Create a system that prevents people from buying and selling what they want in a free market to artificially prevent any large drops.

No drilling for our own oil and Natural gas, continue to raise food prices by creating ethanol from corn, ohh and did I mention Universal health care provided by Government fiat with no plan on how to pay for it except " scouring the Budget for programs to cut". More social programs with no plan on how to pay for them and raise taxes on any American that makes 200k or more.

Solid plans indeed.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Ohh and as has been pointed out, the New deal saved nothing, it PROLONGED the depression. But hey you go on wishing on a star.

 

[Shogun]

yea.. the new deal sure DIDNT help the economy by putting motherfuckers BACK TO WORK.


Looking forward to mid October, RGS? Hell, Palin's momentum didn't even last THAT long!

 

[frazzledgear]

How long are McCain and Palin going to hide from the press?

Maybe until they are convinced they will get a fair shake from them -which they know they won't at this time. All this phony media hype over what they are calling "Troopergate" is a totally bs story and isn't the story the media tries to hype into being and Palin did nothing wrong at all. They KNOW she didn't -but that isn't what matters here. Trying to get people to suspect or believe she did is what matters to them. They are hoping it will result in Palin's blood and the truth too late for her to recover from. If its up to them, they will do all they can to make sure that truth comes out too late.

In the meantime, Obama's longtime relationship with domestic terrorist Bill Ayers and his fellow domestic terrorist wife Bernadette Dorhn -two of the most truly despicable people in this country -goes unmentioned. Just how many associations does Obama have to have in his past with one radical, leftwing extremist and even outright domestic terrorists after another before the media takes note? Knowing the kind of people Obama surrounded himself with before aiming for the Presidency is clearly something the media wants to ASSIST Obama in hiding from the public.

The media doesn't WANT this stuff out there and have done all they could to either hide it from the public or divert public attention away from it -and whenever possible, at McCain's expense and most recently at Palin's expense by fostering, fueling and adding to the really vicious PERSONAL attacks on this woman for her personal choices in life! So they either minimized it, excused it -or most often, just ignored Obama's extremely radical connections entirely. Even though as state senator, Obama requested and received an earmark for the company while this terrorist was a member of the board. Being close to Obama pays dividends. As state senator he also requested and received more than a $1 million earmark for the hospital where his wife was employed. And she received a promotion and her salary was more than doubled. Hear the liberal media insisting that should be investigated to make sure nothing nefarious, unethical or illegal took place with that? Nah -that's just Chicago politics as usual. LOL

Ayers is the same guy who, just as recently as 2001, said he doesn't regret his domestic terrorist activities at all, doesn't regret all the bombing he did and believed that in fact, he hadn't done nearly enough bombing. Same guy who so eloquently described what a beautiful day it was when he bombed the Pentagon and all the human beings inside it he hoped would buy the farm as a result. While McCain was still being tortured as a POW, this guy was telling others "Kill all the rich people, break their cars and apartments. Kill your parents, that's where its really at."

What would it take for the media to get interested in this story? Only if it had been a Republican, would they suddenly consider this something REALLY important for voters to know -and then drive it into the ground for at least 4 weeks with frequent mentions even after that. And we all know it.

 

[sealybobo]

Yup, Obama has a solution. He will raise taxes on Corporation and Business already struggling and he will create a windfall tax to steal their profits by appealing to mob mentality.

Great plan that.

His solution for the stock market? Create a system that prevents people from buying and selling what they want in a free market to artificially prevent any large drops.

No drilling for our own oil and Natural gas, continue to raise food prices by creating ethanol from corn, ohh and did I mention Universal health care provided by Government fiat with no plan on how to pay for it except " scouring the Budget for programs to cut". More social programs with no plan on how to pay for them and raise taxes on any American that makes 200k or more.

Solid plans indeed.

What is wrong with not allowing this to happen anymore?

Morgan Stanley, Lehman Brothers and other Wall Street giants helped foreign investors dodge billions of dollars in U.S. taxes on stock dividends while the IRS looked the other way, a Senate investigation found.

The firms worked with shell hedge funds that had little more than offshore mailing addresses in the Cayman Islands and elsewhere. The funds arranged complex equity swaps and stock loans aimed at circumventing U.S. tax laws, a staff report by the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations said.

The IRS has neither enforced existing rules prohibiting the transactions nor tried to draft new standards, the 77-page report said.

“These are gimmicks peddled by American financial institutions to deny Uncle Sam taxes owed under our law,” Senator Carl Levin, who heads the panel, told reporters. “The IRS has pussyfooted on this.”

Morgan Stanley enabled foreign clients to avoid payment of more than $300 million in U.S. dividend taxes from 2000 to 2007. (THE SAME TIME THE REPUBLICANS RAN ALL THREE BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT)

Lehman estimated its customer’s eluded payment of as much $115 million in 2004 alone.

UBS helped clients escape payment of $62 million from 2004 to 2007.

Is it wrong to make these companies pay $500 billion in taxes or do you think corporations shouldn't pay any taxes in the United States?

See, you've been a house slave defending your masters as they fleece America. Only you and I should pay taxes, right sarge? Dumb fuck.

 

[sealybobo]

And still it didn't help Lehman. It's almost as if they got what they deserved. Wouldn't you say?