Climate Change Adovicate- Where is your inflection point?

[berg80]

 

[berg80]

IF we take the Bernie and AOC approach we blow up the world and force everyone into servants of the elite class.... Nope...

Fear monger much?

 

[berg80]

We as humans are nothing compared to the earth. Most of our affect on it is as pollution and not climate change.

The massive release of CO2 in to the atmosphere is caused by human activity. Not just by burning fossil fuels but increasingly by allowing CO2 captured at the poles in ice to be released as the ice melts.

 

[Billy_Bob]

BWHAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

You use a Michael Mann deception graph? REALLY?

Tell me, when you place that little blip of 5 year data point plots on the end of your graph and correctly graph them in the 500 year data points the rest of the graph is plotted on, what happens to your hyperbole?

POOF.... Gone......

Try one with all the data points at the same point plots duration..

This is how the earths CO2 levels have gone up and down for eons... Your graph makes it look like nothing ever changes rapidly because of the long time spans in the point plots.

Our swings in CO2 levels have gone way above 450ppm in the last 10,000 years and man had nothing to do with those swings..

 

[Asclepias]

We as humans are nothing compared to the earth. Most of our affect on it is as pollution and not climate change.

The massive release of CO2 in to the atmosphere is caused by human activity. Not just by burning fossil fuels but increasingly by allowing CO2 captured at the poles in ice to be released as the ice melts.

Unfortunately you are explaining science to people that dont necessarily believe in what scientists have found.

 

[berg80]

You use a Michael Mann deception graph?

Nope. NASA.

Graphic: The relentless rise of carbon dioxide – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

 

[Billy_Bob]

We as humans are nothing compared to the earth. Most of our affect on it is as pollution and not climate change.

The massive release of CO2 in to the atmosphere is caused by human activity. Not just by burning fossil fuels but increasingly by allowing CO2 captured at the poles in ice to be released as the ice melts.

Unfortunately you are explaining science to people that dont necessarily believe in what scientists have found.

What scientists and what papers? In each of my posts I have included the paper names and dates of publication. Want to try again?

 

[Oddball]

We as humans are nothing compared to the earth. Most of our affect on it is as pollution and not climate change.

The massive release of CO2 in to the atmosphere is caused by human activity. Not just by burning fossil fuels but increasingly by allowing CO2 captured at the poles in ice to be released as the ice melts.

 

[berg80]

Unfortunately you are explaining science to people that dont necessarily believe in what scientists have found.

That is the crux of the problem. Trumpletons deny facts and science.

 

[berg80]

We as humans are nothing compared to the earth. Most of our affect on it is as pollution and not climate change.

The massive release of CO2 in to the atmosphere is caused by human activity. Not just by burning fossil fuels but increasingly by allowing CO2 captured at the poles in ice to be released as the ice melts.

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That is the crux of the problem. Trumpletons deny facts and science.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Unfortunately you are explaining science to people that dont necessarily believe in what scientists have found.

That is the crux of the problem. Trumpletons deny facts and science.

You have yet to provide any SCIENCE To back up your assertions..

 

[Oddball]

We as humans are nothing compared to the earth. Most of our affect on it is as pollution and not climate change.

The massive release of CO2 in to the atmosphere is caused by human activity. Not just by burning fossil fuels but increasingly by allowing CO2 captured at the poles in ice to be released as the ice melts.

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That is the crux of the problem. Trumpletons deny facts and science.

You wouldn't know facts and/or science if they walked up and kicked you in your tiny little beanbag.

 

[Asclepias]

Unfortunately you are explaining science to people that dont necessarily believe in what scientists have found.

That is the crux of the problem. Trumpletons deny facts and science.

You have yet to provide any SCIENCE To back up your assertions..

Its common knowledge. All you have to do is google it and then close your eyes and point. Wherever your finger lands will be a paper documenting the science.

 

[Davey T]

Everyone knows that carbon dioxide is critical for life on earth. CO2 is where humans get their oxygen and plants get their food. No CO2, no life on earth. Implicit in your Climate Change argument is that at some point, CO2 stops being critical for life and becomes a pollutant. At what CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is your inflection point? That is, what is the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere where CO2 stops being life sustaining and becomes dangerous to the planet? You need to know the answer. It is literally a life or death question.

A response was:

So you are saying that if the CO2 concentration in the oxygen we breath gets above 8% everything will be fine?

Answer:

Currently, it is at .04% (400 ppm), or 1/200th of your hypothetical concentration. And, we were at 15% (or 15,000 ppm) when there were dinosaurs on earth and leaves as big as Volkswagens. It didn't end life on earth, it made it huge.
Further, it appears that 150 ppm (we are 400 ppm) is too low for life on earth. My contention, it appears we are dangerously close to too little CO2, not too much.
Question, what is the inflection point and what is the science behind it?
Davey T


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Davey T
Everyone knows that carbon dioxide is critical for life on earth. CO2 is where humans get their oxygen and plants get their food. No CO2, no life on earth. Implicit in your Climate Change argument is that at some point, CO2 stops being critical for life and becomes a pollutant. At what CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is your inflection point? That is, what is the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere where CO2 stops being life sustaining and becomes dangerous to the planet? You need to know the answer. It is literally a life or death question.

 

[Asclepias]

Everyone knows that carbon dioxide is critical for life on earth. CO2 is where humans get their oxygen and plants get their food. No CO2, no life on earth. Implicit in your Climate Change argument is that at some point, CO2 stops being critical for life and becomes a pollutant. At what CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is your inflection point? That is, what is the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere where CO2 stops being life sustaining and becomes dangerous to the planet? You need to know the answer. It is literally a life or death question.

A response was:

So you are saying that if the CO2 concentration in the oxygen we breath gets above 8% everything will be fine?

Answer:

Currently, it is at .04% (400 ppm), or 1/200th of your hypothetical concentration. And, we were at 15% (or 15,000 ppm) when there were dinosaurs on earth and leaves as big as Volkswagens. It didn't end life on earth, it made it huge.
Further, it appears that 150 ppm (we are 400 ppm) is too low for life on earth. My contention, it appears we are dangerously close to too little CO2, not too much.
Question, what is the inflection point and what is the science behind it?
Davey T


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Climate Change Adovicate- Where is your inflection point?


Davey T
Everyone knows that carbon dioxide is critical for life on earth. CO2 is where humans get their oxygen and plants get their food. No CO2, no life on earth. Implicit in your Climate Change argument is that at some point, CO2 stops being critical for life and becomes a pollutant. At what CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is your inflection point? That is, what is the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere where CO2 stops being life sustaining and becomes dangerous to the planet? You need to know the answer. It is literally a life or death question.

"Implicit in your Climate Change argument is that at some point, CO2 stops being critical for life and becomes a pollutant."

CO2 becomes lethal at 8% to human existence. At some earlier point it becomes a pollutant. Are you claiming it never becomes a pollutant?

 

[cutter]

The climate has been changing since the beginning of time. It is controlled by the sun and a usually 11 year sunspot cycle. The earth knows how to deal with excess CO2 by increasing the growth of plants which is why we are seeing plant growth in areas of the Sahara that have been barren for decades.
The Earth isn't going to die in 11yrs in fact we may be in the beginning years on another mini ice age. Giving billions of dollars to world leaders will do nothing but drive up our debt which is the objective in the first place.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Unfortunately you are explaining science to people that dont necessarily believe in what scientists have found.

That is the crux of the problem. Trumpletons deny facts and science.

You have yet to provide any SCIENCE To back up your assertions..

Its common knowledge. All you have to do is google it and then close your eyes and point. Wherever your finger lands will be a paper documenting the science.

Then you should not have a problem citing the papers and work..

 

[Asclepias]

The climate has been changing since the beginning of time. It is controlled by the sun and a usually 11 year sunspot cycle. The earth knows how to deal with excess CO2 by increasing the growth of plants which is why we are seeing plant growth in areas of the Sahara that have been barren for decades.
The Earth isn't going to die in 11yrs in fact we may be in the beginning years on another mini ice age. Giving billions of dollars to world leaders will do nothing but drive up our debt which is the objective in the first place.

"The earth knows how to deal with excess CO2 by increasing the growth of plants which is why we are seeing plant growth in areas of the Sahara that have been barren for decades."

Doesnt that kinda contradict your 11 year window? At the very least thats 20 years.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Everyone knows that carbon dioxide is critical for life on earth. CO2 is where humans get their oxygen and plants get their food. No CO2, no life on earth. Implicit in your Climate Change argument is that at some point, CO2 stops being critical for life and becomes a pollutant. At what CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is your inflection point? That is, what is the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere where CO2 stops being life sustaining and becomes dangerous to the planet? You need to know the answer. It is literally a life or death question.

A response was:

So you are saying that if the CO2 concentration in the oxygen we breath gets above 8% everything will be fine?

Answer:

Currently, it is at .04% (400 ppm), or 1/200th of your hypothetical concentration. And, we were at 15% (or 15,000 ppm) when there were dinosaurs on earth and leaves as big as Volkswagens. It didn't end life on earth, it made it huge.
Further, it appears that 150 ppm (we are 400 ppm) is too low for life on earth. My contention, it appears we are dangerously close to too little CO2, not too much.
Question, what is the inflection point and what is the science behind it?
Davey T


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Davey T, Asclepias replied to a thread you are watching at US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum.

Climate Change Adovicate- Where is your inflection point?


Davey T
Everyone knows that carbon dioxide is critical for life on earth. CO2 is where humans get their oxygen and plants get their food. No CO2, no life on earth. Implicit in your Climate Change argument is that at some point, CO2 stops being critical for life and becomes a pollutant. At what CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is your inflection point? That is, what is the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere where CO2 stops being life sustaining and becomes dangerous to the planet? You need to know the answer. It is literally a life or death question.

"Implicit in your Climate Change argument is that at some point, CO2 stops being critical for life and becomes a pollutant."

CO2 becomes lethal at 8% to human existence. At some earlier point it becomes a pollutant. Are you claiming it never becomes a pollutant?

It has never been a pollutant in the history of the earth...

 

[Billy_Bob]

You use a Michael Mann deception graph?

Nope. NASA.

Graphic: The relentless rise of carbon dioxide – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet

I love it... You cite Karl Et AL that has been thoroughly debunked as crap...