The credibility of Barack - and hence Kamala and the Democrats : issue Climate Change

[EMH]

No balls Beverly has no evidence.

When will you endorse Kamala since, as a Zionist 911 W "Biden Republican" yourself, all of your "favorite Republicans"

W
Cheney
Bolton
Kinzinger
Murdoch
McConnell
Romney
Raffensparger
Kemp

already have???

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

When will you endorse Kamala since, as a Zionist 911 W "Biden Republican" yourself, all of your "favorite Republicans"

W
Cheney
Bolton
Kinzinger
Murdoch
McConnell
Romney
Raffensparger
Kemp

already have???

Wow, the Jews really broke your spirit.

Took your balls and your brain.

 

[EMH]

Wow, the Jews really broke your spirit.

Took your balls and your brain.

That's not a denial, Kamala supporter....

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That's not a denial, Kamala supporter....

I would never deny that the Jews took your balls and your brain, Beverly.

 

[expat_panama]

This is what you posted...

huh, somehow that slipped by me because I got no recollection of having said that, and I went over my posts & never found that phrase on any of my post. Yet you say that I said that. Please give me some more time to go over all my posts looking for those words.

My hope is that you and I can agree that I never said there was "no evidence." Maybe you and I could also agree that there are many on these threads who make bold claims w/o supporting evidence and the burden of proof falls on them. You also offered...

...Ice cores
Tectonic plate speed
Tectonic plate vector and past movement
the indisputable truth of 600 miles to the pole

There were no "evasions." Now, Toddster has seen all of that a million times, perhaps you haven't, but they are in the links of the OP....

It's hard to find out here what is being claimed, but my guess is that the debate you're having w/ Toddster is whether Chicago was covered w/ ice 20K years ago. That agrees w/ wikipedia and others (from here). There also seems to be some kind of disagreement over how close Chicago was from the north pole at that time but it's hard to tell.

It still seems fair that the person who makes a claim --what ever that claim might be-- should provide proof. At the same time I realize that many disagree.

 

[EMH]

My hope is that you and I can agree that I never said there was "no evidence." Maybe you and I could also agree that there are many on these threads who make bold claims w/o supporting evidence and the burden of proof falls on them. You also offered...

It's hard to find out here what is being claimed, but my guess is that the debate you're having w/ Toddster is whether Chicago was covered w/ ice 20K years ago. That agrees w/ wikipedia and others (from here). There also seems to be some kind of disagreement over how close Chicago was from the north pole at that time but it's hard to tell.

It still seems fair that the person who makes a claim --what ever that claim might be-- should provide proof. At the same time I realize that many disagree.

Nobody disputes that the Laurentide ice sheet that covered North America down to northern USA was 2.5 miles thick.

The issue is HOW OLD is ice age glacier that gets that thick.

Antarctic ice is that thick, and we have 800k years of ice cores from AA, and that didn't go halfway down the glacier (ie that ice is WAY WAY older than 800k years), and Greenland has 130k with ice that is slightly more than 1 mile thick.

So how did Toddster's heroes come up with 75k?


Can you comprehend that issue....

 

[EMH]

Now post your evidence that it was covered with ice for 50 million years in a row

Well, from Greenland, because it is such a "new" ice age, we have real records of life under the ice...

Ancient Greenland Was Actually Green

Greenland was once carpeted in lush forests, a new study shows.

www.livescience.com

A 2-million-year-old ecosystem in Greenland uncovered by environmental DNA - Nature

Analysis of two-million-year-old ancient environmental DNA from the Kap København Formation in North Greenland shows there was an open boreal forest with diverse plant and animal species, of which several taxa have not previously been detected at the site, representing an ecosystem that has no...

www.nature.com

Which provide not only evidence of life that can be dated, but also the timing of the Greenland Ice Age's march from north to south, culminating with freezing out the Vikings off the southern tip in the 1400s.


So if we can find and date life under Greenland's ice, WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT WITH NORTH AMERICAN ICE AGE??


Because after 30-50 million years of scraping, nothing is left... 1-2 million years, something is still there...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Well, from Greenland, because it is such a "new" ice age, we have real records of life under the ice...

Ancient Greenland Was Actually Green

Greenland was once carpeted in lush forests, a new study shows.

www.livescience.com

A 2-million-year-old ecosystem in Greenland uncovered by environmental DNA - Nature

Analysis of two-million-year-old ancient environmental DNA from the Kap København Formation in North Greenland shows there was an open boreal forest with diverse plant and animal species, of which several taxa have not previously been detected at the site, representing an ecosystem that has no...

www.nature.com

Which provide not only evidence of life that can be dated, but also the timing of the Greenland Ice Age's march from north to south, culminating with freezing out the Vikings off the southern tip in the 1400s.


So if we can find and date life under Greenland's ice, WHY CAN'T WE DO THAT WITH NORTH AMERICAN ICE AGE??


Because after 30-50 million years of scraping, nothing is left... 1-2 million years, something is still there...

Greenland isn't evidence for 50 million years of North American ice.

 

[EMH]

Greenland isn't evidence for 50 million years of North American ice.

There are various ways to discover truth about the age of an ice age. In Greenland, real scientists dug under the ice and carbon dated stuff.

Unfortunately for the McBullshit, there is no such life records in Canada, none. Since we know the Greenland ice age is at least 1 million years old, and it still has evidence of life under it, and all of Canada was scraped off so thoroughly by Laurentide that no such life records exist


THE SCIENTIFIC CONCLUSION is that NORTH AMERICAN ICE AGE WAS WAY LONGER THAN 1 MILLION YEARS


but that is how actual science is practiced, not "climate science."


So we have

LIFE
ICE CORES
DURATION OF LOCATION IN 600 MILEs TO POLE ICE AGE ZONE


THREE TOTAL REFUTATIONS OF THE CLAIM OF 75k years

 

[EMH]

There are two issues.

1. refuting McBullshit's claim of 75k years

2. documenting the North American Ice Age (before McBullshit), as was claimed by the geologists, who dates the rocks in Illinois and other places, to be 50 million years old


1. Clearly, McBullshit's 75k year old claim is too laughable even for Toddster to attempt to defend it. So Milankovich is completely exposed as McBULLSHIT. 1 is done.

2. The 30-50 million year estimate is the past tectonic plate movement that puts North America within 600 miles of a pole. Since everything on Earth today within 600 miles to the pole is in ice age, and nothing outside is, the LAW of 600 miles of a pole HAS NOT BEEN REFUTED AT ALL, and HENCE STANDS AS EVIDENCE the NORTH AMERICAN ICE AGE IS INDEED 30-50 million years, and the rest of the evidence reads as follows


evidence of life = indicates North American Ice Age greater than 1 million
ice cores = 2.5 mile thick glaciers are way older than 2 million, really 30+ million if Antarctica's ice age is properly documented, and Antarctica has also been within 600 miles of South Pole for around 40 million years


Evidence

greater than 1 million - check
greater than 2 million - check
30-50 million per tectonic motion - check

NO EVIDENCE REFUTES 50 million, NONE

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There are various ways to discover truth about the age of an ice age. In Greenland, real scientists dug under the ice and carbon dated stuff.

Unfortunately for the McBullshit, there is no such life records in Canada, none. Since we know the Greenland ice age is at least 1 million years old, and it still has evidence of life under it, and all of Canada was scraped off so thoroughly by Laurentide that no such life records exist


THE SCIENTIFIC CONCLUSION is that NORTH AMERICAN ICE AGE WAS WAY LONGER THAN 1 MILLION YEARS


but that is how actual science is practiced, not "climate science."


So we have

LIFE
ICE CORES
DURATION OF LOCATION IN 600 MILEs TO POLE ICE AGE ZONE


THREE TOTAL REFUTATIONS OF THE CLAIM OF 75k years

THE SCIENTIFIC CONCLUSION is that NORTH AMERICAN ICE AGE WAS WAY LONGER THAN 1 MILLION YEARS

Cool story, bro.

Now post the evidence for your 50-million-year claim.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There are two issues.

1. refuting McBullshit's claim of 75k years

2. documenting the North American Ice Age (before McBullshit), as was claimed by the geologists, who dates the rocks in Illinois and other places, to be 50 million years old


1. Clearly, McBullshit's 75k year old claim is too laughable even for Toddster to attempt to defend it. So Milankovich is completely exposed as McBULLSHIT. 1 is done.

2. The 30-50 million year estimate is the past tectonic plate movement that puts North America within 600 miles of a pole. Since everything on Earth today within 600 miles to the pole is in ice age, and nothing outside is, the LAW of 600 miles of a pole HAS NOT BEEN REFUTED AT ALL, and HENCE STANDS AS EVIDENCE the NORTH AMERICAN ICE AGE IS INDEED 30-50 million years, and the rest of the evidence reads as follows


evidence of life = indicates North American Ice Age greater than 1 million
ice cores = 2.5 mile thick glaciers are way older than 2 million, really 30+ million if Antarctica's ice age is properly documented, and Antarctica has also been within 600 miles of South Pole for around 40 million years


Evidence

greater than 1 million - check
greater than 2 million - check
30-50 million per tectonic motion - check

NO EVIDENCE REFUTES 50 million, NONE

The 30-50 million year estimate

Estimate And now you've got a 20-million-year range?

Doesn't sound like very good "evidence". I can see why you won't post it here.

 

[EMH]

THE SCIENTIFIC CONCLUSION is that NORTH AMERICAN ICE AGE WAS WAY LONGER THAN 1 MILLION YEARS

Cool story, bro.

Now post the evidence for your 50-million-year claim.

It is a broken record.

Milankovich REFUTED - what Toddster is backing away from - the 75k claim

50 million years NOT REFUTED


So if you have two competing theories, one is totally refuted, and one is not... in fact very much supported by the tectonic path...


the bottom line is what the "climate scientists" did after homO's silence, Milankovich Cycles, is COMPLETELY AND EASILY REFUTED...

 

[EMH]

The 30-50 million year estimate

Estimate And now you've got a 20-million-year range?

Doesn't sound like very good "evidence". I can see why you won't post it here.

It has already been documented, tectonic plate speed, vector, source of the push...


30-50 million is a bit different than 75k

75k is completely laughable bullshit which has BILKED AMERICA for $20 trillion and counting...

Patriotic Americans, upon learning Milankovich is easily refuted, would do something other that troll and spazz at the source of the truth...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It is a broken record.

Milankovich REFUTED - what Toddster is backing away from - the 75k claim

50 million years NOT REFUTED


So if you have two competing theories, one is totally refuted, and one is not... in fact very much supported by the tectonic path...


the bottom line is what the "climate scientists" did after homO's silence, Milankovich Cycles, is COMPLETELY AND EASILY REFUTED...

50 million years NOT REFUTED

Still no evidence. I don't need to refute anything; you need to prove it.

DURR

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It has already been documented, tectonic plate speed, vector, source of the push...


30-50 million is a bit different than 75k

75k is completely laughable bullshit which has BILKED AMERICA for $20 trillion and counting...

Patriotic Americans, upon learning Milankovich is easily refuted, would do something other that troll and spazz at the source of the truth...

30-50 million is a bit different than 75k

You have not documented 30-50 million. Not even a little bit.

 

[EMH]

50 million years NOT REFUTED

Still no evidence. I don't need to refute anything; you need to prove it.

DURR

LOL!!!

The first thing we have proven is that Milankovich is indeed McBullshit.

And that is important to the timeline. homO went silent for two years, and then the Co2 FRAUD tried to re-write North American Ice Age down to 75k years, which is completely laughable. Indeed, as our data shows, the North American Ice Age was at least 2 million years old, and what does that prove...

The SECOND and MOST IMPORTANT THING


GREENLAND FROZE WHILE NORTH AMERICA THAWED during the past

1 million years
50k years
20k years
10k years

take your pick. That fact completely refutes atmosphere and hence Co2, and Sun. Why? Because all three would affect both G and NA the same, and in reality G and NA did 180 degrees the opposite at the same time. The ONLY POSSIBLE REASON for why G froze while NA thawed is tectonic plate movement, as G moved NW while NA moved SW.

So while the 50 million years number is not proven here, it is not refuted, and the 2 million number is proven and THAT is the PROOF NEEDED to expose the plot.

homO did indeed have an FBI prosecution of the Co2 FRAUD. homO hid that in the CLOSET and gave the case to the Co2 FRAUD, and the McBULLSHIT is 100% about trying to re-write history to avoid the toxically fatal (to the CO2 FRAUD) conclusion that G froze while NA thawed...


THANKS FOR YOUR HELP PROVING THAT!!!

 

[EMH]

30-50 million is a bit different than 75k

You have not documented 30-50 million. Not even a little bit.

Bullshit, since you cannot refute 600 miles to the pole, not even a bit or anything...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

LOL!!!

The first thing we have proven is that Milankovich is indeed McBullshit.

And that is important to the timeline. homO went silent for two years, and then the Co2 FRAUD tried to re-write North American Ice Age down to 75k years, which is completely laughable. Indeed, as our data shows, the North American Ice Age was at least 2 million years old, and what does that prove...

The SECOND and MOST IMPORTANT THING


GREENLAND FROZE WHILE NORTH AMERICA THAWED during the past

1 million years
50k years
20k years
10k years

take your pick. That fact completely refutes atmosphere and hence Co2, and Sun. Why? Because all three would affect both G and NA the same, and in reality G and NA did 180 degrees the opposite at the same time. The ONLY POSSIBLE REASON for why G froze while NA thawed is tectonic plate movement, as G moved NW while NA moved SW.

So while the 50 million years number is not proven here, it is not refuted, and the 2 million number is proven and THAT is the PROOF NEEDED to expose the plot.

homO did indeed have an FBI prosecution of the Co2 FRAUD. homO hid that in the CLOSET and gave the case to the Co2 FRAUD, and the McBULLSHIT is 100% about trying to re-write history to avoid the toxically fatal (to the CO2 FRAUD) conclusion that G froze while NA thawed...


THANKS FOR YOUR HELP PROVING THAT!!!

The first thing we have proven is that Milankovich is indeed McBullshit.

You haven't posted any evidence that Milankovich is wrong.


And that is important to the timeline. homO went silent for two years, and then the Co2 FRAUD tried to re-write North American Ice Age down to 75k years,

You haven't posted any evidence that published claims about the Ice Age were hidden, erased or changed since 2009.

So while the 50 million years number is not proven here, it is not refuted,

You had me at "50 million years number is not proven here".

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Bullshit, since you cannot refute 600 miles to the pole, not even a bit or anything...

Post some evidence, Beverly.
Your frantic whining is getting tiresome.