Climate Change Adovicate- Where is your inflection point?

[Asclepias]

Everyone knows that carbon dioxide is critical for life on earth. CO2 is where humans get their oxygen and plants get their food. No CO2, no life on earth. Implicit in your Climate Change argument is that at some point, CO2 stops being critical for life and becomes a pollutant. At what CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is your inflection point? That is, what is the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere where CO2 stops being life sustaining and becomes dangerous to the planet? You need to know the answer. It is literally a life or death question.

A response was:

So you are saying that if the CO2 concentration in the oxygen we breath gets above 8% everything will be fine?

Answer:

Currently, it is at .04% (400 ppm), or 1/200th of your hypothetical concentration. And, we were at 15% (or 15,000 ppm) when there were dinosaurs on earth and leaves as big as Volkswagens. It didn't end life on earth, it made it huge.
Further, it appears that 150 ppm (we are 400 ppm) is too low for life on earth. My contention, it appears we are dangerously close to too little CO2, not too much.
Question, what is the inflection point and what is the science behind it?
Davey T


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Climate Change Adovicate- Where is your inflection point?


Davey T
Everyone knows that carbon dioxide is critical for life on earth. CO2 is where humans get their oxygen and plants get their food. No CO2, no life on earth. Implicit in your Climate Change argument is that at some point, CO2 stops being critical for life and becomes a pollutant. At what CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is your inflection point? That is, what is the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere where CO2 stops being life sustaining and becomes dangerous to the planet? You need to know the answer. It is literally a life or death question.

"Implicit in your Climate Change argument is that at some point, CO2 stops being critical for life and becomes a pollutant."

CO2 becomes lethal at 8% to human existence. At some earlier point it becomes a pollutant. Are you claiming it never becomes a pollutant?

It has never been a pollutant in the history of the earth...

Never has mankind contributed so much CO2 in the history of the earth either.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Everyone knows that carbon dioxide is critical for life on earth. CO2 is where humans get their oxygen and plants get their food. No CO2, no life on earth. Implicit in your Climate Change argument is that at some point, CO2 stops being critical for life and becomes a pollutant. At what CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is your inflection point? That is, what is the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere where CO2 stops being life sustaining and becomes dangerous to the planet? You need to know the answer. It is literally a life or death question.

A response was:

So you are saying that if the CO2 concentration in the oxygen we breath gets above 8% everything will be fine?

Answer:

Currently, it is at .04% (400 ppm), or 1/200th of your hypothetical concentration. And, we were at 15% (or 15,000 ppm) when there were dinosaurs on earth and leaves as big as Volkswagens. It didn't end life on earth, it made it huge.
Further, it appears that 150 ppm (we are 400 ppm) is too low for life on earth. My contention, it appears we are dangerously close to too little CO2, not too much.
Question, what is the inflection point and what is the science behind it?
Davey T


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Climate Change Adovicate- Where is your inflection point?


Davey T
Everyone knows that carbon dioxide is critical for life on earth. CO2 is where humans get their oxygen and plants get their food. No CO2, no life on earth. Implicit in your Climate Change argument is that at some point, CO2 stops being critical for life and becomes a pollutant. At what CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is your inflection point? That is, what is the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere where CO2 stops being life sustaining and becomes dangerous to the planet? You need to know the answer. It is literally a life or death question.

"Implicit in your Climate Change argument is that at some point, CO2 stops being critical for life and becomes a pollutant."

CO2 becomes lethal at 8% to human existence. At some earlier point it becomes a pollutant. Are you claiming it never becomes a pollutant?

It has never been a pollutant in the history of the earth...

Never has mankind contributed so much CO2 in the history of the earth either.

And yet our current rise and rate of rise is indistinguishable from other changes...

And no ability to say man is responsible for any of it...

 

[The Original Tree]

I just read The Book of Revelation and laugh at all of this.

God is on The Throne, His judgments are coming, and Jesus will return, and CO2 will have nothing to do with any of that.

Everyone knows that carbon dioxide is critical for life on earth. CO2 is where humans get their oxygen and plants get their food. No CO2, no life on earth. Implicit in your Climate Change argument is that at some point, CO2 stops being critical for life and becomes a pollutant. At what CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is your inflection point? That is, what is the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere where CO2 stops being life sustaining and becomes dangerous to the planet? You need to know the answer. It is literally a life or death question.

 

[Asclepias]

Everyone knows that carbon dioxide is critical for life on earth. CO2 is where humans get their oxygen and plants get their food. No CO2, no life on earth. Implicit in your Climate Change argument is that at some point, CO2 stops being critical for life and becomes a pollutant. At what CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is your inflection point? That is, what is the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere where CO2 stops being life sustaining and becomes dangerous to the planet? You need to know the answer. It is literally a life or death question.

A response was:

So you are saying that if the CO2 concentration in the oxygen we breath gets above 8% everything will be fine?

Answer:

Currently, it is at .04% (400 ppm), or 1/200th of your hypothetical concentration. And, we were at 15% (or 15,000 ppm) when there were dinosaurs on earth and leaves as big as Volkswagens. It didn't end life on earth, it made it huge.
Further, it appears that 150 ppm (we are 400 ppm) is too low for life on earth. My contention, it appears we are dangerously close to too little CO2, not too much.
Question, what is the inflection point and what is the science behind it?
Davey T


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Climate Change Adovicate- Where is your inflection point?


Davey T
Everyone knows that carbon dioxide is critical for life on earth. CO2 is where humans get their oxygen and plants get their food. No CO2, no life on earth. Implicit in your Climate Change argument is that at some point, CO2 stops being critical for life and becomes a pollutant. At what CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is your inflection point? That is, what is the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere where CO2 stops being life sustaining and becomes dangerous to the planet? You need to know the answer. It is literally a life or death question.

"Implicit in your Climate Change argument is that at some point, CO2 stops being critical for life and becomes a pollutant."

CO2 becomes lethal at 8% to human existence. At some earlier point it becomes a pollutant. Are you claiming it never becomes a pollutant?

It has never been a pollutant in the history of the earth...

Never has mankind contributed so much CO2 in the history of the earth either.

And yet our current rise and rate of rise is indistinguishable from other changes...

And no ability to say man is responsible for any of it...

Its pretty easy to say man is responsible for the CO2 we are putting into the air. Its a measurable phenomenon. Take a look at the pictures of China since the virus hit. The CO2 concentration there has gone down because they are not pumping it into the atmosphere.

Airborne Nitrogen Dioxide Plummets Over China

 

[cutter]

The climate has been changing since the beginning of time. It is controlled by the sun and a usually 11 year sunspot cycle. The earth knows how to deal with excess CO2 by increasing the growth of plants which is why we are seeing plant growth in areas of the Sahara that have been barren for decades.
The Earth isn't going to die in 11yrs in fact we may be in the beginning years on another mini ice age. Giving billions of dollars to world leaders will do nothing but drive up our debt which is the objective in the first place.

"The earth knows how to deal with excess CO2 by increasing the growth of plants which is why we are seeing plant growth in areas of the Sahara that have been barren for decades."

Doesnt that kinda contradict your 11 year window? At the very least thats 20 years.

The 11yr sunspot cycle happens no matter what our co2 level is. If we are entering an extended Marauder minimum we may be glad we have some increase in co2 levels to help keep us a little warmer. It's an interesting subject that I became interested in when I got my Ham radio license a few years and reading up on radio wave propagation.

 

[Davey T]

A response was:

So you are saying that if the CO2 concentration in the oxygen we breath gets above 8% everything will be fine?

Answer:

Currently, it is at .04% (400 ppm), or 1/200th of your hypothetical concentration. And, we were at 15% (or 15,000 ppm) when there were dinosaurs on earth and leaves as big as Volkswagens. It didn't end life on earth, it made it huge.
Further, it appears that 150 ppm (we are 400 ppm) is too low for life on earth. My contention, it appears we are dangerously close to too little CO2, not too much.
Question, what is the inflection point and what is the science behind it?
Davey T

Now, you are talking about Nitrogen Dioxide, not Carbon Dioxide. NO2 is in even lower concentrations in the atmosphere than CO2. Of course, stating that Carbon Dioxide is lethal to humans is changing the argument. It is supposed to be detrimental to the climate, hence 12 years to "Save the Planet". That is the Climate Change argument.

Of course, if the argument was to Save Humans from CO2 poisoning, that is generally agreed to be lethal around 40,000 ppm or at least in excess of the concentration of oxygen, which is 21,000 ppm (CO2 has a greater affinity to hemoglobin than oxygen at the same concentrations), not the 8,000 ppm or 8% you have been citing.

Which brings us back to the question: What is the inflection point where CO2 is critical for sustaining life and then, at some mysterious increase in concentration, becomes a pollutant?

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Climate Change Adovicate- Where is your inflection point?


Davey T
Everyone knows that carbon dioxide is critical for life on earth. CO2 is where humans get their oxygen and plants get their food. No CO2, no life on earth. Implicit in your Climate Change argument is that at some point, CO2 stops being critical for life and becomes a pollutant. At what CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is your inflection point? That is, what is the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere where CO2 stops being life sustaining and becomes dangerous to the planet? You need to know the answer. It is literally a life or death question.

"Implicit in your Climate Change argument is that at some point, CO2 stops being critical for life and becomes a pollutant."

CO2 becomes lethal at 8% to human existence. At some earlier point it becomes a pollutant. Are you claiming it never becomes a pollutant?

It has never been a pollutant in the history of the earth...

Never has mankind contributed so much CO2 in the history of the earth either.

And yet our current rise and rate of rise is indistinguishable from other changes...

And no ability to say man is responsible for any of it...

Its pretty easy to say man is responsible for the CO2 we are putting into the air. Its a measurable phenomenon. Take a look at the pictures of China since the virus hit. The CO2 concentration there has gone down because they are not pumping it into the atmosphere.

Airborne Nitrogen Dioxide Plummets Over China