China to have 150 more ships than US by 2028 under Biden budget, Navy secretary admits

[Kruska]

Keep in mind, China’s military has a mission to control 1.5 billion Chinese while the U.S. military has limited mission within the US and deploys around the globe

Chinas military isn't involved in "controlling" it's citizens at all - but the US military is involved in controlling around 3 billion people around the planet, plus it wants to control another 5 billion.

 

[Kruska]

In that case you also have to look at Military alliances

For the US: NATO, Japan, S Korea, Australia
China: None

Japan and especially S-Korea will never got to war with China - they are not suicidal, and factually they don't even like the USA
NATO? you must be joking - and with what? e.g. Germany sending 2 ships and 5 Euro-fighters?
Australia - depending on with political party rules, might be suicidal enough to give it a try. (nice people) but no impact if they would decide to join a military attack onto China.

That basically leaves the USA on its own against China. And China would be using 85% of it's forces against those 20% the USA could send in.
You wouldn't even need to guess the outcome since it would be obviously in China's favor (in a conventional war).

 

[rightwinger]

Japan and especially S-Korea will never got to war with China - they are not suicidal, and factually they don't even like the USA
NATO? you must be joking - and with what? e.g. Germany sending 2 ships and 5 Euro-fighters?
Australia - depending on with political party rules, might be suicidal enough to give it a try. (nice people) but no impact if they would decide to join a military attack onto China.

That basically leaves the USA on its own against China. And China would be using 85% of it's forces against those 20% the USA could send in.
You wouldn't even need to guess the outcome since it would be obviously in China's favor (in a conventional war).

ONLY if fought on China’s home turf

China can’t even invade Taiwan

 

[Kruska]

The treaty guaranteed Hoing Kong home rule, "one China, two systems"

Still in place

As soon as Hong Kong refused to tow the Communist line the PRC dissolved the government and placed CCP personnel in all leadership positions.

Source?

Hong Kong is now ruled like any other city in China by a corrupt kleptocracy loyal only to their wallets and the Communist government in Beijing at bayonet point.

Source?

The citizens of Hong Kong have lost all the freedoms the CCP and government of the PRC guaranteed them in the treaty with the UK and Hong Kong governments.

Source?

 

[Kruska]

ONLY if fought on China’s home turf

Where else? China isn't conducting "passage of freedom" provocations around Hawaii and Puerto Rico and inciting those people to opt for independence.

China can’t even invade Taiwan

Say's who? only you and all other China haters, in vast majority people who don't know shit about China.

China doesn't even need to invade Taiwan - it's only the US dream, hoping that such a move might make the EU and others to join in on sanctions towards China, because otherwise the USA has no chance what so ever to prevent China's rise and thus to reverse the decline of US power. Start to look and care for your own country - only libs/greens destroy their own country whilst looking to create trouble and even wars outside their own deplorable economic and political nations.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Of course it is. Only a fraction of the US military budget is spent on things like weapons. The largest parts is actually things like pay, dependent care, housing, and things like that. Actually purchasing of weapons is a small part of the total budget.

However, in China they are paid a fraction of what they are in the US, and can not even get married until they reach a certain rank and have permission. So their expenses like pay and dependent care is a fraction of what the US spends. The same with housing.

The problem you and so many make is that you just assume the budget goes just to weapons, that is a very small part of the budget. On average around 20%, or around $150 billion.

China on the other hand most of the Chinese defense budget is a black hole, but experts believe they are currently spending around $170 billion on procurement. And that is at a smaller cost than the US as the firms they buy from are essentially state owned and operated.

So if you are talking about purchasing weapons, China actually spends a lot more on that than the US. And at a significantly higher percent of their military budget than the US. Where as we spend only 20% on procurement, they are spending over 50% on procurement.

That information about getting married is total nonsense. I know a person who got married to a Chinese army grunt.
Yes, China is much cheaper than the US, I did not make any assumptions. I said China spends less, and it does. It spends less a percentage of its GDP and less in gross figures.

I'm not saying it means much, just that's a simple fact.

 

[Mushroom]

In that case you also have to look at Military alliances

For the US: NATO, Japan, S Korea, Australia
China: None

China: Russia, Pakistan, North Korea, Cuba, Venezuela, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Kazajhstan, Laos, Myanmar.

Oh yes, "none" indeed.

 

[braalian]

Quality over quantity.

Despite having a smaller navy, France has higher quality ships than China, and a far greater ability to project its naval power around the world.

China is nowhere near as capable of projecting true blue-water naval power as the US Navy. Not even close.

 

[Mushroom]

I know a person who got married to a Chinese army grunt.

I did not say they could not get married. Just that not anybody can just get married as they can elsewhere.

The PLA generally upholds the principle of encouraging its personnel to marry late (晚婚). Males must be at least 25 years old and females 23. Chinese Aerospace Studies Institute Unmarried personnel are not allowed to live together. Although married men may enlist in China’s military, two-year conscripts/ enlistees are not allowed to marry until they return to civilian life, because, according to a Peking University sociologist, the “group living arrangements and intensive military training are believed to interfere with servicemen’s ability to invest the time and energy that married life requires.”

https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/Portals/10/CASI/documents/Research/Other-Topics/2018-07-30%20Understanding_the_People_of_the_PLA.pdf

In other words, only more senior members in their second or later enlistments can get married.

As opposed to in the US, where you can join the military married, and an amazing number get married between 19 and 21. Around half of the US military members are married, and over 35% have at least one child. That is a huge difference as in China none can get married in their initial enlistment, and permission is needed after that.

Try paying attention to what is said, and not what you think was said. I never said they could not get married.

 

[Markle]

Like how we forced Russia to invade Ukraine?

As you know, President Biden invited Russia to invade Ukraine. Just so it was a "MINOR INCURSION".

Jan. 20, 2022, 10:48 AM EST / Updated Jan. 20, 2022, 7:33 PM EST
By Mo Abbas
President Joe Biden’s prediction that Russia will invade Ukraine and his suggestion that the West’s response could be more muted for a “minor” incursion drew swift criticism from Washington to Kyiv, with some accusing him of giving Russia the green light to attack.
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Why do you so steadfastly defend Communist China when their indisputable goal is to "annex" the United States and much of the rest of the world?

As you know, China is churning out attack and defensive submarines rapidly. Both nuclear and diesel/battery. They have a massive submarine base built inside a mountain, the access for subs is underwater. So we really have no accurate idea of how many they have or where they are.

You do recall that thanks to President Carter and President Clinton Communist China has control of the ports at each end of the Panama Canal, don't you? You know, the greatly enlarged facility.

Are you being willfully ignorant or are you seriously this uninformed about the current world dilemma? My guess is your Trump Derangement Syndrome.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I did not say they could not get married. Just that not anybody can just get married as they can elsewhere.

https://www.airuniversity.af.edu/Portals/10/CASI/documents/Research/Other-Topics/2018-07-30%20Understanding_the_People_of_the_PLA.pdf

In other words, only more senior members in their second or later enlistments can get married.

As opposed to in the US, where you can join the military married, and an amazing number get married between 19 and 21. Around half of the US military members are married, and over 35% have at least one child. That is a huge difference as in China none can get married in their initial enlistment, and permission is needed after that.

Try paying attention to what is said, and not what you think was said. I never said they could not get married.

Or perhaps someone needs to write better, instead of writing something and expecting everyone to understand what it is you didn't write. (See, I can write just as aggressively as you)
What you DID WRITE:

"and can not even get married until they reach a certain rank and have permission."

Which is a crock of shit, really, seeing how you then posted an source that literally says this isn't true.

The "they" you didn't specify, "they" therefore would be CHINESE MILITARY PERSONNEL.

For example:
"PLA military members continue to need approval from their units to get married, and restrictions still exist disallowing a civilian female partner in a military marriage to file for divorce."
Says they need approval to get married, not that they have to reach a certain rank.....

"The PLA continues to use a qualification system to determine whether married military members are allowed to live together with their families."
This says they need to have done a certain amount of service NOT TO GET MARRIED, but to be able to live together... something completely different.

So next time you want to write:

"Try paying attention to what is said, and not what you think was said. I never said they could not get married."
Try writing what you actually mean first, rather than thinking it and writing something completely different.

And then we can have a stress free conversation.
The problem here is you haven't really stated WHY this is important and issue.

"Housing shortage remains a major concern of the military and various measures have been taken to build new and renovate existing housing to accommodate the needs of military families who qualify for provided housing. The housing shortage was partially due to senior military officers abusing the provided housing policies, eviction work has been intensified under Xi Jinping’s military reform."

This quote here would probably have helped your argument rather than getting into something that almost certainly doesn't matter to this debate.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Quality over quantity.

Despite having a smaller navy, France has higher quality ships than China, and a far greater ability to project its naval power around the world.

China is nowhere near as capable of projecting true blue-water naval power as the US Navy. Not even close.

China doesn't need to. Right now it's concerned with Taiwan. It has enough ships to control the waters around China.

China isn't rich enough to go gallivanting around the world pretending to be the US and is only focused on one thing...

 

[braalian]

China doesn't need to. Right now it's concerned with Taiwan. It has enough ships to control the waters around China.

China isn't rich enough to go gallivanting around the world pretending to be the US and is only focused on one thing...

Right.

So if they can’t project their power any further than local waters in East Asia, why should we care?

 

[cnm]

America made China rich—what did we think they were going to spend it on?

China to have 150 more ships than US by 2028 under Biden budget, Navy secretary admits - Washington Examiner

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www.washingtonexaminer.com

The Simple Reason Why the U.S. Wants ‘Full Spectrum Dominance’ of the Earth

 

[frigidweirdo]

Right.

So if they can’t project their power any further than local waters in East Asia, why should we care?

Well... big question.

1) Because China is rising. Every year it's military spending is rising.
2) Because China's influence isn't based on the military right now. It's based on economics.
BRICS just added Saudi Arabia, has Iran, that's two BIG oil producing countries along with Russia.
In 1999 Hugo Chavez got to power and wanted to strengthen OPEC to screw over the US. Iran, Iraq, Libya and Venezuela were the four countries who showed their opposition, look what happened, two have heavy sanctions, one had a US supported coup d'etat that ultimately failed after a week, one was invaded and the other bombed and the leader killed.
That's how important oil is for the US.

Venezuela is a big friend of China's, Iran and Russia too.

Russia is number two oil producer right now, Iran is 9th and Venezuela is down at 25th for some reason.

Get the Saudis on board, that's 3rd, get Iraq on board, that's 5th, China is 6th, get all of OPEC on board and suddenly the US has a LOT OF PROBLEMS, and that's China using its influence to get to the US.

3) If BRICS stops using the US dollar, that's going to be a HUGE shift in international politics. The US will be further weakened and China will be stronger.

4) If the US isn't a world power, it'll lose allies, it'll lose the ability to make so much money by fucking other countries over, like Iraq, it won't be able to invade who it likes and get away with it. It'll be the one being sanctioned because it opposes the world powers.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

America made China rich—what did we think they were going to spend it on?

China to have 150 more ships than US by 2028 under Biden budget, Navy secretary admits - Washington Examiner

Navy China to have 150 more ships than US by 2028 under Biden budget, Navy secretary admits By Joel Gehrke, Foreign Affairs Reporter March 28, 2023 06:50 PM Twitter LinkedIn Facebook Email Print Navy China to have 150 more ships than US by 2028 under Biden budget, Navy secretary admits By Joel...

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Everybody boo boos hyper Sonic missiles ...but a swarm at a carrier ....floating ashtray ...yep

 

[Vrenn]

Everybody boo boos hyper Sonic missiles ...but a swarm at a carrier ....floating ashtray ...yep

As long as the missiles are hypersonic, they can't manuever. The carrier may not cooperate in this attack. You want to swarm a carrier, slow them down and allow them to change direction as the carrier changes direction. The US leads in the hypersonic realm but are not going to waste their time and money in an attack missile. But they are working on Hypersonic vehicles for spying.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

As long as the missiles are hypersonic, they can't manuever. The carrier may not cooperate in this attack. You want to swarm a carrier, slow them down and allow them to change direction as the carrier changes direction. The US leads in the hypersonic realm but are not going to waste their time and money in an attack missile. But they are working on Hypersonic vehicles for spying.

They can get great shots of the floating ashtray in under an hour ....swell

Wouldn't take much to weaken the Pacific fleet ....an the way this country operates today....barely youre not mobilizing ship yards overnight ...not to mention white men are continuing to check the hell out of society if they can .
Especially the armed forces

 

[Vrenn]

They can get great shots of the floating ashtray in under an hour ....swell

And in that hour, that carrier is at least 45 miles somewhere else. All the carrier has to do is detect it (not hard at all) and then run at a right angle to it. It won't be able to correct enough to come within 3 miles of the carrier.

Wouldn't take much to weaken the Pacific fleet ....an the way this country operates today....barely youre not mobilizing ship yards overnight ...not to mention white men are continuing to check the hell out of society if they can .
Especially the armed forces

That is just jibberish.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

And in that hour, that carrier is at least 45 miles somewhere else. All the carrier has to do is detect it (not hard at all) and then run at a right angle to it. It won't be able to correct enough to come within 3 miles of the carrier.




That is just jibberish.

All they have to do is swerve and theyll miss by three miles ...ok

While prop driven bears have snuck up on em


Not really
white men are checking out of society and the military ....this country doesn't build things like they used to...the gears of ramping up production in this backwards freakshow are slow

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Slow