China to have 150 more ships than US by 2028 under Biden budget, Navy secretary admits

[Mac-7]

The French were forcing Catholicism on primarily Buddhist Vietnam.

Oh, so now Catholics werent really Catholics after all

If that were true the northern refugees could have stayed where they were instead of fleeing to the south

 

[rightwinger]

Exactly - so satellites don't tell you anything about command structure and especially not as to the operation of weapon systems and anything else that beholds.

You forgot another component

Really? when was the last naval engagement by the USN? aside from launching Tomahawks at Iraq?

The US has maintained a global Naval force for 80 years. in addition to Carrier based strikes in multiple wars, we are constantly in multinational training exercises evaluating training and tactics.

As was previously posted, China is still deploying individual ships operating on their own. They have three carriers but still don’t function as a Carrier Task Force

 

[Kruska]

The US has maintained a global Naval force for 80 years.

Yes - and China as I had mentioned in another thread has managed to catch up with the USA and Europe in less then 30 years for what we took 150 years - it's called learning curve.

we are constantly in multinational training exercises evaluating training and tactics.

So is China, intensified since 2000

As was previously posted, China is still deploying individual ships operating on their own.

They also operate/exercise in very large formations - someone forgot to post that?

They have three carriers but still don’t function as a Carrier Task Force

That is because the Chinese military doctrine and especially that of PLAN totally differs from that of the USA and it's navy. The Plan is build and set around a doctrine that beholds a 4th component that you have so far not addressed or identified accordingly. The future simply isn't anymore about navy task forces against navy task forces.

 

[Mushroom]

The US realized Ho Chi Minh would win so they blocked the elections

No, I just laid out the background to that.

NV and USSR wanted only local monitoring, SV and the US knew that would be corrupt and manipulated so they insisted on International monitoring by the UN. NV and USSR knew that would prevent their manipulation of the results so refused.

Therefore the Geneva Accords simply kicked the ultimate decision further down the road.

The very year after the Accords were signed, NV started attacking SV. That was a year before the elections would have been held.

Why in the hell would any nation hold elections while they are under attack by the other side? Once again, it goes right back to the silly concept that there would be elections now in occupied Ukraine. Or holding elections in Occupied Europe in 1942. The fact is, NV and USSR realized that the only way SV and the US would agree to elections would be if they were free of corruption, which would guarantee they would lose.

Therefore they themselves dismissed them other than as propaganda and elected to use brute force instead as a resolution.

Not unlike what they tried in Korea a decade earlier.

What you said sounds really pretty, until you realize that Ho Chi Minh himself did not want the elections, and wanted to use brute force from the very beginning. It took both China and the USSR to talk him into elections, only because they knew they could be manipulated in his favor. But he still did not wait and continued with the attacks.

 

[Mushroom]

Oh, so now Catholics werent really Catholics after all

If that were true the northern refugees could have stayed where they were instead of fleeing to the south

Exactly.

And holy hell, Catholicism has not been a majority religion in France for centuries. So that very claim is completely nonsensical. Like in most of Europe, the Protestant Reformation quickly forced Catholicism into the background. And like any proselytizing faith that has never needed assistance from a government to try to spread itself. Just as even today China is constantly battling the various groups of Christians that pop up inside their country.

Or the Romans some 2,000 years ago. Or any region on the planet now where Islam is spreading.

They are just ranting and pointing fingers in every direction they can, facts and actual logic make no sense or difference because it is all nothing but propaganda.

 

[22lcidw]

The US has maintained a global Naval force for 80 years. in addition to Carrier based strikes in multiple wars, we are constantly in multinational training exercises evaluating training and tactics.

As was previously posted, China is still deploying individual ships operating on their own. They have three carriers but still don’t function as a Carrier Task Force

The point is that time keeps moving forward. Short of going to war now, they will eventually eclipse us. We have advanced weapons to be sure. We may have weapons we do the citizens do not know about. They have the ability to build quickly. Like we did in WW 2. We do not have that capacity now. We are all over the world. What are they going to do with a much more massive military in a couple of decades? They are going to want their sphere of influence. Which means ours will be reduced.

 

[rightwinger]

The point is that time keeps moving forward. Short of going to war now, they will eventually eclipse us. We have advanced weapons to be sure. We may have weapons we do the citizens do not know about. They have the ability to build quickly. Like we did in WW 2. We do not have that capacity now. We are all over the world. What are they going to do with a much more massive military in a couple of decades? They are going to want their sphere of influence. Which means ours will be reduced.

Right now, the sphere of influence they want is China sea and surrounding area.
They do not seem interested in a military global conquest.
They are more interested in an economic global conquest.

They are well on their way

 

[Mushroom]

They are more interested in an economic global conquest.

They are well on their way

Not really, as a significant part of what they assemble they themselves do not sell. In fact, they did not even "make" it in the first place. They are building under contract what has been designed by others.

And that kind of industry could be taken away from them tomorrow. As they do not "own" it, they are just contract workers.

 

[Vrenn]

America made China rich—what did we think they were going to spend it on?

China to have 150 more ships than US by 2028 under Biden budget, Navy secretary admits - Washington Examiner

Navy China to have 150 more ships than US by 2028 under Biden budget, Navy secretary admits By Joel Gehrke, Foreign Affairs Reporter March 28, 2023 06:50 PM Twitter LinkedIn Facebook Email Print Navy China to have 150 more ships than US by 2028 under Biden budget, Navy secretary admits By Joel...

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There is a difference between 150 top of the line Military Ships and a bunch of row boats.

 

[frigidweirdo]

America made China rich—what did we think they were going to spend it on?

China to have 150 more ships than US by 2028 under Biden budget, Navy secretary admits - Washington Examiner

Navy China to have 150 more ships than US by 2028 under Biden budget, Navy secretary admits By Joel Gehrke, Foreign Affairs Reporter March 28, 2023 06:50 PM Twitter LinkedIn Facebook Email Print Navy China to have 150 more ships than US by 2028 under Biden budget, Navy secretary admits By Joel...

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Anyone who can read can figure out the Chinese military budget.

Military budget of China - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

China still spends way less than the US, but the budget increases every year, year on year and is getting more professional.

 

[rightwinger]

Anyone who can read can figure out the Chinese military budget.

Military budget of China - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

China still spends way less than the US, but the budget increases every year, year on year and is getting more professional.

Keep in mind, China’s military has a mission to control 1.5 billion Chinese while the U.S. military has limited mission within the US and deploys around the globe

 

[DudleySmith]

China is not an aggressor and doesn't intend to ever be one. Their fleet, as with Russia's is intended for defensive purposes against America.

China's weapons are likewise mainly intended to destroy US ships intending war against their country.

lol comedy gold.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Keep in mind, China’s military has a mission to control 1.5 billion Chinese while the U.S. military has limited mission within the US and deploys around the globe

No, the Chinese have another budget for internal control, and this is about the same as the military budget.

 

[22lcidw]

Anyone who can read can figure out the Chinese military budget.

Military budget of China - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

China still spends way less than the US, but the budget increases every year, year on year and is getting more professional.

Its the value of that percentage compared to the size of the GDP. Getting up to several times for the dollar than we get.

 

[22lcidw]

Keep in mind, China’s military has a mission to control 1.5 billion Chinese while the U.S. military has limited mission within the US and deploys around the globe

They kept their citizens under control when they had very little. Force and killings are a good persuader.

 

[emilseine45]

The US has maintained a global Naval force for 80 years. in addition to Carrier based strikes in multiple wars, we are constantly in multinational training exercises evaluating training and tactics.

As was previously posted, China is still deploying individual ships operating on their own. They have three carriers but still don’t function as a Carrier Task Force

So you don't blame biden for cutting the navy?

 

[rightwinger]

So you don't blame biden for cutting the navy?

$850 billion Military Budget

 

[Mushroom]

China still spends way less than the US

Of course it is. Only a fraction of the US military budget is spent on things like weapons. The largest parts is actually things like pay, dependent care, housing, and things like that. Actually purchasing of weapons is a small part of the total budget.

However, in China they are paid a fraction of what they are in the US, and can not even get married until they reach a certain rank and have permission. So their expenses like pay and dependent care is a fraction of what the US spends. The same with housing.

The problem you and so many make is that you just assume the budget goes just to weapons, that is a very small part of the budget. On average around 20%, or around $150 billion.

China on the other hand most of the Chinese defense budget is a black hole, but experts believe they are currently spending around $170 billion on procurement. And that is at a smaller cost than the US as the firms they buy from are essentially state owned and operated.

So if you are talking about purchasing weapons, China actually spends a lot more on that than the US. And at a significantly higher percent of their military budget than the US. Where as we spend only 20% on procurement, they are spending over 50% on procurement.

 

[Mushroom]

lol comedy gold.

Particularly as it has never been used against the US.

However, they did lose a big chunk of their fleet while using it to attack Ukraine.

Russian Cruisers and Destroyers however do not make very good submarines.

 

[rightwinger]

Of course it is. Only a fraction of the US military budget is spent on things like weapons. The largest parts is actually things like pay, dependent care, housing, and things like that. Actually purchasing of weapons is a small part of the total budget.

However, in China they are paid a fraction of what they are in the US, and can not even get married until they reach a certain rank and have permission. So their expenses like pay and dependent care is a fraction of what the US spends. The same with housing.

The problem you and so many make is that you just assume the budget goes just to weapons, that is a very small part of the budget. On average around 20%, or around $150 billion.

China on the other hand most of the Chinese defense budget is a black hole, but experts believe they are currently spending around $170 billion on procurement. And that is at a smaller cost than the US as the firms they buy from are essentially state owned and operated.

So if you are talking about purchasing weapons, China actually spends a lot more on that than the US. And at a significantly higher percent of their military budget than the US. Where as we spend only 20% on procurement, they are spending over 50% on procurement.

In that case you also have to look at Military alliances

For the US: NATO, Japan, S Korea, Australia
China: None