Children Can Pray in Public School! Yippee!

[PoliticalChic]

Prayer......to be introduced into pre-K education in the Big Apple???

Yep!

1. "New York City Eases Pre-K Rules to Allow Prayer Breaks

2. ...some children attending taxpayer-funded prekindergarten programs in New York City may have school on Christmas and Thanksgiving. And their school day may be interrupted by a period for religious prayers.

3. .... a compromise by Mayor Bill de Blasio’s administration that is intended to increase participation by Orthodox Jewish and other private schools in his signature initiative.

4. ...new prekindergarten programs are run by private organizations, including religious schools, that are compensated by the city. But many Orthodox schools have stayed away....




5. The new guidelines, first reported this week by Hamodia, a Jewish newspaper, do not cut the total amount of time per week required for secular instruction. But schools may now spread the hours over six days,....

6. ...the city had drawn a line at permitting prayer during the school day.

7. ...programs will be allowed to have one “short break” during the secular school day for “nonprogram activities,”...

8. The break, city officials said, is geared toward allowing children to pray after lunch,...

9. ....Donna Lieberman, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union.
“The prayer break is an attempted end run around the prohibition against religious education and prayer in city-funded pre-K programs,” she said. Taken together, she added, the regulations “add up to a religious school funded with taxpayer money.”

10. Rabbi David Zwiebel, executive director of Agudath Israel, an ultra-Orthodox umbrella organization, supported the changes and predicted they would lead to at least a modest increase in participation."
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/19/n...-pre-k-rules-to-allow-prayer-breaks.html?_r=0




Could be a breach in the myth that the Constitution doesn't countenance religion in the public arena.

About time.

Um, you've always been allowed to pray in public school. Simply can't have teachers or other staff directing it or favoring one religion over another.

"YER COUNTY, Tenn. (CNN) – A young girl, who claims she was standing up for her religious beliefs in the classroom, was suspended after breaking a class rule of saying “bless you” after a classmate sneezed.

When Dyer County High School senior Kendra Turner said bless you to her classmate, she says her teacher told her that was for church.

“She said that we’re not going to have godly speaking in her class and that’s when I said we have a Constitutional right,” said Turner.

Turner said when she defended her actions, she was told to see an administrator. She said she finished the class period in in-school suspension.

Students snapped a photo of the teacher’s white board that lists ‘bless you’ and other expressions that are banned as part of class rules."
Kendra Turner Tennessee high school student suspended for saying bless you to a classmate who sneezed WJLA.com
Follow us: @ABC7News on Twitter | WJLATV on Facebook

 

[PoliticalChic]

"The U.S. Department of Education put it this way in its 2003 guidelines on prayer in public schools:

“When acting in their official capacities as representatives of the state, teachers, school administrators, and other school employees are prohibited by the Establishment Clause from encouraging or discouraging prayer, and from actively participating in such activity with students. Teachers may, however, take part in religious activities where the overall context makes clear that they are not participating in their official capacities. Before school or during lunch, for example, teachers may meet with other teachers for prayer or Bible study to the same extent that they may engage in other conversation or nonreligious activities. Similarly, teachers may participate in their personal capacities in privately sponsored baccalaureate ceremonies.”"

Is it legal for students to pray in public schools?

Yes. Contrary to popular myth, the Supreme Court has never outlawed “prayer in schools.” Students are free to pray alone or in groups, as long as such prayers are not disruptive and do not infringe upon the rights of others. But this right “to engage in voluntary prayer does not include the right to have a captive audience listen or to compel other students to participate.” (This is the language supported by a broad range of civil liberties and religious groups in a joint statement of current law.)

What the Supreme Court has repeatedly struck down are state-sponsored or state-organized prayers in public schools.

The Supreme Court has made clear that prayers organized or sponsored by a public school — even when delivered by a student — violate the First Amendment, whether in a classroom, over the public address system, at a graduation exercise, or even at a high school football game. (Engel v. Vitale, 1962; School Dist. of Abington Township v. Schempp, 1963; Lee v. Weisman, 1992; Santa Fe Independent School. Dist. v. Doe, 2000)

Frequently Asked Questions - Religion First Amendment Center news commentary analysis on free speech press religion assembly petition

As ever, they hide all this info in books so naturally some haven't been briefed not liking all that book-lernin stuff.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."


The Constitution is the law of the land....

"Congress shall make no law ... prohibiting the free exercise thereof;..."

 

[Hollie]

Though now they're a great target for Islamic fools.

The good news here is that you and the angry, self-hating religious nutbars like you have expanded your horizons of hate and derision.

I am confused hollie and k-girl. wattaya talking about? who is a target for
Islamic fools? who is a self-hating religious nutbar?

Muslim extremist groups like to target Christian school children.

With prayer in school, this will be an opportunity for those christian heathens to be converted to Islam.

• "In Algeria, after 100,000 died in Muslim-on-Muslim violence, 10,000 Muslims turned their backs on Islam and were baptized as followers of Christ. This movement has tripled since the late 1990s.
• At the time of the 1979 revolution in Iran, about 500 individual Muslims were following Christ. Garrison projects that today there may be several hundred thousand Christ-followers, mostly worshipping in Iranian house churches.
• In an unnamed Arab nation, an Islamic book publisher Nasr came to Christ through satellite broadcast evangelist Father Zakaria. Sensing a call to evangelize, Nasr started a local ministry that in less than one year baptized 2,800 individuals.

In total, Garrison estimates that 2 to 7 million people from a Muslim background worldwide now follow Christ. (This is a projection since a comprehensive count is not possible.) Timothy C. Morgan, CT senior editor, global journalism, interviewed Garrison recently."Why Muslims Are Becoming the Best Evangelists Christianity Today

Ain't religion great?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Prayer......to be introduced into pre-K education in the Big Apple???

Yep!

1. "New York City Eases Pre-K Rules to Allow Prayer Breaks

2. ...some children attending taxpayer-funded prekindergarten programs in New York City may have school on Christmas and Thanksgiving. And their school day may be interrupted by a period for religious prayers.

3. .... a compromise by Mayor Bill de Blasio’s administration that is intended to increase participation by Orthodox Jewish and other private schools in his signature initiative.

4. ...new prekindergarten programs are run by private organizations, including religious schools, that are compensated by the city. But many Orthodox schools have stayed away....




5. The new guidelines, first reported this week by Hamodia, a Jewish newspaper, do not cut the total amount of time per week required for secular instruction. But schools may now spread the hours over six days,....

6. ...the city had drawn a line at permitting prayer during the school day.

7. ...programs will be allowed to have one “short break” during the secular school day for “nonprogram activities,”...

8. The break, city officials said, is geared toward allowing children to pray after lunch,...

9. ....Donna Lieberman, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union.
“The prayer break is an attempted end run around the prohibition against religious education and prayer in city-funded pre-K programs,” she said. Taken together, she added, the regulations “add up to a religious school funded with taxpayer money.”

10. Rabbi David Zwiebel, executive director of Agudath Israel, an ultra-Orthodox umbrella organization, supported the changes and predicted they would lead to at least a modest increase in participation."
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/19/n...-pre-k-rules-to-allow-prayer-breaks.html?_r=0




Could be a breach in the myth that the Constitution doesn't countenance religion in the public arena.

About time.

Um, you've always been allowed to pray in public school. Simply can't have teachers or other staff directing it or favoring one religion over another.

"YER COUNTY, Tenn. (CNN) – A young girl, who claims she was standing up for her religious beliefs in the classroom, was suspended after breaking a class rule of saying “bless you” after a classmate sneezed.

When Dyer County High School senior Kendra Turner said bless you to her classmate, she says her teacher told her that was for church.

“She said that we’re not going to have godly speaking in her class and that’s when I said we have a Constitutional right,” said Turner.

Turner said when she defended her actions, she was told to see an administrator. She said she finished the class period in in-school suspension.

Students snapped a photo of the teacher’s white board that lists ‘bless you’ and other expressions that are banned as part of class rules."
Kendra Turner Tennessee high school student suspended for saying bless you to a classmate who sneezed WJLA.com
Follow us: @ABC7News on Twitter | WJLATV on Facebook

I'm familar with this incident. It wasn't as innocent as some outlets depict it. She was doing it in a disruptive manner.

 

[Hollie]

"The U.S. Department of Education put it this way in its 2003 guidelines on prayer in public schools:

“When acting in their official capacities as representatives of the state, teachers, school administrators, and other school employees are prohibited by the Establishment Clause from encouraging or discouraging prayer, and from actively participating in such activity with students. Teachers may, however, take part in religious activities where the overall context makes clear that they are not participating in their official capacities. Before school or during lunch, for example, teachers may meet with other teachers for prayer or Bible study to the same extent that they may engage in other conversation or nonreligious activities. Similarly, teachers may participate in their personal capacities in privately sponsored baccalaureate ceremonies.”"

Is it legal for students to pray in public schools?

Yes. Contrary to popular myth, the Supreme Court has never outlawed “prayer in schools.” Students are free to pray alone or in groups, as long as such prayers are not disruptive and do not infringe upon the rights of others. But this right “to engage in voluntary prayer does not include the right to have a captive audience listen or to compel other students to participate.” (This is the language supported by a broad range of civil liberties and religious groups in a joint statement of current law.)

What the Supreme Court has repeatedly struck down are state-sponsored or state-organized prayers in public schools.

The Supreme Court has made clear that prayers organized or sponsored by a public school — even when delivered by a student — violate the First Amendment, whether in a classroom, over the public address system, at a graduation exercise, or even at a high school football game. (Engel v. Vitale, 1962; School Dist. of Abington Township v. Schempp, 1963; Lee v. Weisman, 1992; Santa Fe Independent School. Dist. v. Doe, 2000)

Frequently Asked Questions - Religion First Amendment Center news commentary analysis on free speech press religion assembly petition

As ever, they hide all this info in books so naturally some haven't been briefed not liking all that book-lernin stuff.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."


The Constitution is the law of the land....

"Congress shall make no law ... prohibiting the free exercise thereof;..."

"..... except in public schools........"

 

[bodecea]

Prayer......to be introduced into pre-K education in the Big Apple???

Yep!

1. "New York City Eases Pre-K Rules to Allow Prayer Breaks

2. ...some children attending taxpayer-funded prekindergarten programs in New York City may have school on Christmas and Thanksgiving. And their school day may be interrupted by a period for religious prayers.

3. .... a compromise by Mayor Bill de Blasio’s administration that is intended to increase participation by Orthodox Jewish and other private schools in his signature initiative.

4. ...new prekindergarten programs are run by private organizations, including religious schools, that are compensated by the city. But many Orthodox schools have stayed away....




5. The new guidelines, first reported this week by Hamodia, a Jewish newspaper, do not cut the total amount of time per week required for secular instruction. But schools may now spread the hours over six days,....

6. ...the city had drawn a line at permitting prayer during the school day.

7. ...programs will be allowed to have one “short break” during the secular school day for “nonprogram activities,”...

8. The break, city officials said, is geared toward allowing children to pray after lunch,...

9. ....Donna Lieberman, executive director of the New York Civil Liberties Union.
“The prayer break is an attempted end run around the prohibition against religious education and prayer in city-funded pre-K programs,” she said. Taken together, she added, the regulations “add up to a religious school funded with taxpayer money.”

10. Rabbi David Zwiebel, executive director of Agudath Israel, an ultra-Orthodox umbrella organization, supported the changes and predicted they would lead to at least a modest increase in participation."
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/19/n...-pre-k-rules-to-allow-prayer-breaks.html?_r=0




Could be a breach in the myth that the Constitution doesn't countenance religion in the public arena.

About time.

They always could.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

This issue only comes up because of limited udnerstanding of the laws about it. People assume separation of church and state means no religious expression at school. It doesn't. Just means the school and its' employees can't encourage one religion over another. Teacher can pray their hearts out so long as they're not doing so as a teacher, as with on break, at lunch, etc. And students can pray as well before and after class, at lunch, etc. Just not during a class as with the "Sneezing God bless you" kid. That was disruptive to a class, not any kind of legalized religious devotion. That was just a kid being a dick.

 

[AVG-JOE]

Though now they're a great target for Islamic fools.

Freedom of religion is as freedom of religion does...

What's good for the Christian is good for the Muslim and the Witch, and the Satanist, and worshippers of The Flying Spaghetti Monster, a.k.a. Pastafarians, and the…

 

[koshergrl]

Though now they're a great target for Islamic fools.

Freedom of religion is as freedom of religion does...

What's good for the Christian is good for the Muslim and the Witch, and the Satanist, and worshippers of The Flying Spaghetti Monster, a.k.a. Pastafarians, and the…

Shut the fuck up, POS. Christians don't target Islamic grade schools.

 

[Ravi]

Muslim call to prayer at public paid for school can't be far behind.

 

[koshergrl]

Muslim call to prayer at public paid for school can't be far behind.

You say that like you think Christians care.

 

[Ravi]

Muslim call to prayer at public paid for school can't be far behind.

You say that like you think Christians care.

Real ones wouldn't. The ones that are shaky in their faith is another story.

 

[koshergrl]

Muslim call to prayer at public paid for school can't be far behind.

You say that like you think Christians care.

Real ones wouldn't. The ones that are shaky in their faith is another story.

And you say that as if you have some insight into what makes a good Christian.

Go pollute some other thread.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Its all good until some kid is practicing the "wrong" religion. Then we'll see how far the yippees go then

So have you seen a lot of Christians targeting Muslim schools?

No?

Okay then.

Meanwhile, let's consider reality:

300 Armed Muslims Attack Christian Boys School in Pakistan in Retaliation to Charlie Hebdo s Prophet Muhammad Drawings

That response has exactly nothing to do with what I said. You couldnt link the two with chain and a padlock

 

[Ravi]

Muslim call to prayer at public paid for school can't be far behind.

You say that like you think Christians care.

Real ones wouldn't. The ones that are shaky in their faith is another story.

And you say that as if you have some insight into what makes a good Christian.

Go pollute some other thread.

I know you don't know what makes a good Christian.

 

[Ravi]

Its all good until some kid is practicing the "wrong" religion. Then we'll see how far the yippees go then

So have you seen a lot of Christians targeting Muslim schools?

No?

Okay then.

Meanwhile, let's consider reality:

300 Armed Muslims Attack Christian Boys School in Pakistan in Retaliation to Charlie Hebdo s Prophet Muhammad Drawings

That response has exactly nothing to do with what I said. You couldnt link the two with chain and a padlock

There was a huge meltdown a couple of weeks ago by her compatriots over some university playing the muslim call to prayers. In fact the outcry was so huge and fearful that the university decided not to do it.

 

[koshergrl]

Its all good until some kid is practicing the "wrong" religion. Then we'll see how far the yippees go then

So have you seen a lot of Christians targeting Muslim schools?

No?

Okay then.

Meanwhile, let's consider reality:

300 Armed Muslims Attack Christian Boys School in Pakistan in Retaliation to Charlie Hebdo s Prophet Muhammad Drawings

That response has exactly nothing to do with what I said. You couldnt link the two with chain and a padlock

There was a huge meltdown a couple of weeks ago by her compatriots over some university playing the muslim call to prayers. In fact the outcry was so huge and fearful that the university decided not to do it.

Awesome.

As you can see, you do not represent the majority, you extremist whacko.

 

[Ravi]

Its all good until some kid is practicing the "wrong" religion. Then we'll see how far the yippees go then

So have you seen a lot of Christians targeting Muslim schools?

No?

Okay then.

Meanwhile, let's consider reality:

300 Armed Muslims Attack Christian Boys School in Pakistan in Retaliation to Charlie Hebdo s Prophet Muhammad Drawings

That response has exactly nothing to do with what I said. You couldnt link the two with chain and a padlock

There was a huge meltdown a couple of weeks ago by her compatriots over some university playing the muslim call to prayers. In fact the outcry was so huge and fearful that the university decided not to do it.

Awesome.

As you can see, you do not represent the majority, you extremist whacko.

^misses her corn fed hypocrisy.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Muslim call to prayer at public paid for school can't be far behind.

You say that like you think Christians care.

Real ones wouldn't. The ones that are shaky in their faith is another story.

And...you are which?

 

[ClosedCaption]

Its all good until some kid is practicing the "wrong" religion. Then we'll see how far the yippees go then

So have you seen a lot of Christians targeting Muslim schools?

No?

Okay then.

Meanwhile, let's consider reality:

300 Armed Muslims Attack Christian Boys School in Pakistan in Retaliation to Charlie Hebdo s Prophet Muhammad Drawings

That response has exactly nothing to do with what I said. You couldnt link the two with chain and a padlock

There was a huge meltdown a couple of weeks ago by her compatriots over some university playing the muslim call to prayers. In fact the outcry was so huge and fearful that the university decided not to do it.

Yeah thats because they are allllll about protecting "religious freedom" which means they feel free to denegrate other peoples religion they dont like