CDZ Charity is a failure of government - Discuss

[Oz and the Orchestra]

Anyway as far as Christians go, Jesus tells us to give your money to the poor, so it's about time you got on with it!

Jesus said-
"I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

"If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Mark 10:24–27, and Luke 18:24–27

Christ makes it abundantly clear - Sell all your worldly possessions and give the money to the poor, then as a pauper follow him or burn in hell.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Anyway as far as Christians go, Jesus tells us to give your money to the poor, so it's about time you got on with it!

Jesus said-
"I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

"If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Mark 10:24–27, and Luke 18:24–27

Christ makes it abundantly clear - Sell all your worldly possessions and give the money to the poor, then as a pauper follow him or burn in hell.

In your opinion. Is it the job of the government to make sure people are good Christians?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Tommy Taint is a failure of government

 

[Oz and the Orchestra]

The Irish Potato Famine proved that charity is not adequate to save a starving population.
1 million men, women and children died from starvation and related disease. Another 1 million would have faced the same fate but fled the country. Under such circumstances, only national governments have the resources and logistics to alleviate such a problem but historically have failed.

The IPF and the abject poverty, disease and scarcity of jobs during the Great Depression of the 1930s in Britain were two of the many influences that caused the Labour Government under Clement Atlee to introduce the Welfare State by 1948.-

"The wartime coalition , and the introduction of family allowances.[11] Many people welcomed this government intervention and wanted it to go further.[5]

The Beveridge Report of 1942, (which identified five "Giant Evils" in society: squalor, ignorance, want, idleness and disease) essentially recommended a national, compulsory, flat rate insurance scheme which would combine health care, unemployment and retirement benefits. Beveridge himself was careful to emphasise that unemployment benefits should be held to a subsistence level, and after six months would be conditional on work or training, so as not to encourage abuse of the system.[12] That was however predicated on the concept of the "maintenance of employment" which meant ‘it should be possible to make unemployment of any individual for more than 26 weeks continuously a rare thing in normal times’ [12] and recognised that the imposition of a training condition would be impractical if the unemployed were numbered by the million.[12] After its victory in the 1945 general election, the Labour Party pledged to eradicate the Giant Evils, and undertook policy measures to provide for the people of the United Kingdom "from the cradle to the grave."

"Included among the laws passed were the National Assistance Act 1948, National Insurance Act 1946, and National Insurance (Industrial Injuries) Act 1946". Wikipedia.

Today the Welfare State and in particular the National Health Service is generally acknowledged by all political parties and the British public as the UK's greatest asset.

Had such a system been in place in Ireland in the mid 19 century, a million lives would have been saved and a million would never have had to flee.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

The government would have grown potatoes?

Venezuela has socialism. How is the government feeding the people?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The middle class make few trades and a very small percent on a trade would not affect them at all.

What about the trades their mutual funds make?

 

[Oz and the Orchestra]

When people are helped through charity, they often know or come to understand what they received was made by the willing sacrifices of others. In turn they are more likely to preform acts of charity or make sacrifices of their own to helps others.

I grew up in the very worst kind of poverty you could possibly imagine. From time to time people thought they were helping out. The government wasn't in the welfare business in those days. Individuals gave us food, sometimes money, sometimes even a place to stay. By the time I was ten years old I had grown to despise these self righteous do gooders. Our family problem wasn't poverty. The problem was that poverty wasn't painful enough. When poverty hurts so much that you will do anything to alleviate that poverty the poverty will end. The charitable made sure we stayed in that kind of poverty.

As a child of abject poverty and homelessness, rather than be more likely to perform acts of charity to others I would not help someone bleeding in the street if I had the very last bandaid on earth.

"I would not help someone bleeding in the street if I had the very last bandaid on earth."

Unusually your childhood experiences in poverty helped to create a very sick individual. Although I've got a feeling you would have turned out the same if you'd been born rich. Bet you attend Church on Sunday though.

You are a very poor judge of people. I don't go to church at all. Your biases precede you.

Stop helping people be poor. How hard is that?

Ok, then you love cats, hate humans, and are an alcoholic? Is all I can assume from your avatar.

Next time I see a cat I'm going to strangle it and think of you ignoring a man bleading to death for want of your sticking plaster!

 

[EvilCat Breath]

When people are helped through charity, they often know or come to understand what they received was made by the willing sacrifices of others. In turn they are more likely to preform acts of charity or make sacrifices of their own to helps others.

I grew up in the very worst kind of poverty you could possibly imagine. From time to time people thought they were helping out. The government wasn't in the welfare business in those days. Individuals gave us food, sometimes money, sometimes even a place to stay. By the time I was ten years old I had grown to despise these self righteous do gooders. Our family problem wasn't poverty. The problem was that poverty wasn't painful enough. When poverty hurts so much that you will do anything to alleviate that poverty the poverty will end. The charitable made sure we stayed in that kind of poverty.

As a child of abject poverty and homelessness, rather than be more likely to perform acts of charity to others I would not help someone bleeding in the street if I had the very last bandaid on earth.

"I would not help someone bleeding in the street if I had the very last bandaid on earth."

Unusually your childhood experiences in poverty helped to create a very sick individual. Although I've got a feeling you would have turned out the same if you'd been born rich. Bet you attend Church on Sunday though.

You are a very poor judge of people. I don't go to church at all. Your biases precede you.

Stop helping people be poor. How hard is that?

Ok, then you love cats, hate humans, and are an alcoholic? Is all I can assume from your avatar.

Next time I see a cat I'm going to strangle it and think of you ignoring a man bleading to death for want of your sticking plaster!

Actually I love all animals. I do not drink at all. I have no vices. You keep trying and striking out. I don't go to church. I don't drink. What else have you got?

Oh my avatar! That's Dakota and Her Children. I painted that. A neighbor dog adopted orphaned kittens. That's what animals do.

 

[Oz and the Orchestra]

The government would have grown potatoes?

Venezuela has socialism. How is the government feeding the people?

Venezuela has been raped by US sanctions.

Hugo Chavez was the greatest leader of the late 20/21st century.

If you want to gauge how popular a leader is watch how many come out for their funeral.-

Millions!
How many will Trump get?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The government would have grown potatoes?

Venezuela has socialism. How is the government feeding the people?

Venezuela has been raped by US sanctions.

Hugo Chavez was the greatest leader of the late 20/21st century.

If you want to gauge how popular a leader is watch how many come out for their funeral.-

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Millions!
How many will Trump get?

Hugo Chavez was the greatest leader of the late 20/21st century.

 

[Oz and the Orchestra]

The government would have grown potatoes?

Venezuela has socialism. How is the government feeding the people?

Venezuela has been raped by US sanctions.

Hugo Chavez was the greatest leader of the late 20/21st century.

If you want to gauge how popular a leader is watch how many come out for their funeral.-

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Millions!
How many will Trump get?

Hugo Chavez was the greatest leader of the late 20/21st century.

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Happy you agree!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The government would have grown potatoes?

Venezuela has socialism. How is the government feeding the people?

Venezuela has been raped by US sanctions.

Hugo Chavez was the greatest leader of the late 20/21st century.

If you want to gauge how popular a leader is watch how many come out for their funeral.-

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Millions!
How many will Trump get?

Hugo Chavez was the greatest leader of the late 20/21st century.

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Happy you agree!

 

[pknopp]

The middle class make few trades and a very small percent on a trade would not affect them at all.

What about the trades their mutual funds make?

It gets old having to repeat yourself over and over. The vast majority invested into their 401k's and such make very few trades.

 

[Hellokitty]

When people are helped through charity, they often know or come to understand what they received was made by the willing sacrifices of others. In turn they are more likely to preform acts of charity or make sacrifices of their own to helps others.

I grew up in the very worst kind of poverty you could possibly imagine. From time to time people thought they were helping out. The government wasn't in the welfare business in those days. Individuals gave us food, sometimes money, sometimes even a place to stay. By the time I was ten years old I had grown to despise these self righteous do gooders. Our family problem wasn't poverty. The problem was that poverty wasn't painful enough. When poverty hurts so much that you will do anything to alleviate that poverty the poverty will end. The charitable made sure we stayed in that kind of poverty.

As a child of abject poverty and homelessness, rather than be more likely to perform acts of charity to others I would not help someone bleeding in the street if I had the very last bandaid on earth.

Thanks for sharing your experience growing up.

I think it often comes down to people being self-motivated and disciplined while utilizing help from others as a way to improve their situation.

 

[Markle]

Jesus said-
"I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

"If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."

Mark 10:24–27, and Luke 18:24–27

Christ makes it abundantly clear - Sell all your worldly possessions and give the money to the poor, then as a pauper follow him or burn in hell.

Before you start quoting the Holy Bible to support your warped fantasies taught to you by some far-left wing website, you should actually READ the bible.

Strange how Liberals find it inconvenient to include the next few passages.... That which state WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE.

So it is impossible for the even RICH NON-BELIEVERS to enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Then said Jesus to his disciples, Verily I say to you, that a rich man shall with difficulty enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say to you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said to them, With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

Obviously someone… is demonstrating their intimate knowledge of Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals rather than of the Holy Bible.

Cute try!

I bet you don't believe that Jesus demands that you WORK or you do not EAT either.

Holy Bible / New Testament / Thessalonians / 3

3:1 Finally, brethren, pray for us, that the word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you:

3:2 And that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men: for all men have not faith.

3:3 But the Lord is faithful, who shall stablish you, and keep you from evil.

3:4 And we have confidence in the Lord touching you, that ye both do and will do the things which we command you.

3:5 And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God, and into the patient waiting for Christ.

3:6 Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.

3:7 For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you;

3:8 Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you:

3:9 Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us.

3:10 For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.

3:11 For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.

3:12 Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.

 

[Markle]

The government would have grown potatoes?

Venezuela has socialism. How is the government feeding the people?

Venezuela has been raped by US sanctions.

Hugo Chavez was the greatest leader of the late 20/21st century.

If you want to gauge how popular a leader is watch how many come out for their funeral.-

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Millions!
How many will Trump get?

They're celebrating that he's dead.

 

[dblack]

Charity is a failure of government

Only if you assume charity is the job of government

 

[eagle1462010]

Tory DWP chief says food banks are 'perfect way' to help the poor

The Tory Minister made the controversial comment replying to a question from Labour MP Zarah Sultana

www.mirror.co.uk

In this story the tory minister is praising the efforts of foodbanks in helping folk to not starve.

But we pay taxes to live in a society where people are not going to starve. People should not be at the mercy of charity to put some food on the table.

Everybody pays taxes so they have a right to expect help when they go through bad times. Welfare has a dignity that charity has not got. It is time to move on from Victorian era social policy.

Once you open the rabbit hole to gov't is the answer to everything.........you open the hole to corruption beyond recongnition.

Charity is when people .........not the gov't decide to help other people........not taxing someone who may be starving themselves.......to give to someone they deem should get it.

In the U.S. Woodrow Wilson opened that rabbit hole.........and idiots have been digging deeper ever since.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

It is endlessly amusing to hear someone spout about it being easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than a rich man to get into heaven. Really? How about the thief. Where does it say blessed is the thief who steals from the rich? There is nothing in the Bible advocating theft. There is nothing noble about stealing. In order for the government to dispense charity it must first steal it from the productive. Steal as it taking it from those who are unwilling to give it. Leave charity to the charitable.

Robin Hood did not steal from the rich to give to the poor. He stole from the King's tax collectors. He took taxes and gave them back to the tax payers.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The middle class make few trades and a very small percent on a trade would not affect them at all.

What about the trades their mutual funds make?

It gets old having to repeat yourself over and over. The vast majority invested into their 401k's and such make very few trades.

The vast majority invested into their 401k's and such make very few trades.

The mutual funds that people hold in their retirement accounts make trades.

^
For instance, 39%.